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venus_designs
09-29-2005, 08:03 PM
Hi, I'm new to this forum, just found and wish I had known about this before!

How do I handle a Marketing Director with no marketing experience?

I'm a freelance AD/designer with my own biz. I have a medium-sized start-up lending company client with big aspirations and I did a ground-up ID design for them a year ago including logo, marketing kits, stationery/cards, advertising and trade show booths, flyers, brochures, etc. I worked with the clients very closely to define a very consistent look and brand image and a lot of people have complimented the work very highly. And, they are adding new divisions to the company, so I planned ahead to create branding that will work as a system as they expand.

A few months back, they hired an exec's sister as a director of marketing for the company and in the short time I've worked with her she's made many changes to the design of everything, most of them small stylistic changes -- but also changing the tag line, redesigning the business cards and changing the way phone numbers and web urls are written. Now she has more "ideas" of things she wants to change. Her changes don't make much sense, I try to explain to her why we made certain style choices at the beginning and the importance of consistency -- but to no avail. I think she just wants to change things to make her mark. And I have to walk her through everything, she doesn't understand printing, web design or advertising and makes bad decisions against my advice. I'm beginning to dread getting phone calls/emails from her.

I've suggested we do a brand review -- figure out what's working and what's not, make more global changes all at once. But the company is only a year old and honestly, they'd be better off just sticking with what they have since they aren't changing the overall look and feel. However, that's not my say and they are willing to do a review and revamp of the brand and all the design work.

How does one handle an ignorant client like this? How can I possibly get her to understand a larger strategy and should I bother? I've sent her a sample of another corp's brand manual so she can see how it should be done and I've suggested we do a brand manual for their company (they did not want to do this before, due to costs.)

Rocketpig
09-29-2005, 08:31 PM
Ugh. A marketing director with no print or web experience. Brilliant.

You're in a tough situation. Is there any way you could approach the owner or the person you dealt with previous to her? Be very cautious about it and maybe present it with the notion of "hey, this new person is redesigning everything and I'm going to have to bill you for all this reworking time. You could probably use this money better in other ways since your logo is only one year old."

Try to come across like you're trying to save them money.

venus_designs
09-29-2005, 08:44 PM
Thanks for your reply. I'm sad to say the new marketing director is the sister of the person I used to work with. I have appealed some of the changes to her that were really ridiculous -- like converting their crisp, professional 2 spot color card to cheap CMYK printing to "save money" -- and I did get her sister to reign her in a bit. But overall she has company support for whatever she decides.

I have literally never dealt with a client so totally ignorant about marketing. She routinely forgets to run things by their legal dept., for example. Brand standards, what are those? :rolleyes:

Ugh. A marketing director with no print or web experience. Brilliant.

You're in a tough situation. Is there any way you could approach the owner or the person you dealt with previous to her? Be very cautious about it and maybe present it with the notion of "hey, this new person is redesigning everything and I'm going to have to bill you for all this reworking time. You could probably use this money better in other ways since your logo is only one year old."

Try to come across like you're trying to save them money.

Crimson
09-29-2005, 08:44 PM
Yeah, what the rocketpig said. That is a tough one. Are you sure she has no training or anything? Maybe she did go to school and feels very justified in her descision. Maybe you have to turn it into a money thing until they want to listen to you over her. Bill them. Money get's people's attention as sad as a fact as that is.

PersonasBinar
09-30-2005, 11:31 PM
I worked for a place run by brothers.....
If it's a family thing you can say "what did you pay me for?"
OR bill her for everything she wants to do, it's not your company. Suck it up and take the money, or quit and say here you wanna destroy it then you do it.

I know it's hard to have someone destroy your designs but in the end for whatever reason, she's the boss right? Bill them for every phone call fax and paper clip. Being family she may never go away, she might be the marketing dirctor because she likes watching ads, and read loads of magazines. I feel for you, my stomach hurts.

Something my wife tells me when I'm stressin' about a clients' percieved interferance..... "Is anyone going to die?" Usually the answer is no, despite my wanting there to be at least one body on the conference room table. Be strong get paid.