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ArvDesign
11-30-2005, 07:59 PM
Hi Guys,
I come last year from Europe and started my business here. I'm wondering what's with MACs? Why 90% of graphics here use MAC? Back in Europe MAC were like 5% of computers used. Are they really so much better than PCs?
PersonasBinar
11-30-2005, 08:03 PM
no
morea
11-30-2005, 08:05 PM
we don't beat this dead horse here any more. It's really just a matter of personal preference and usually the topic just devolves into bickering.
Please check out these threads:
Why are macs better for graphic design?
http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2356
MAC/PC WARS
http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2855
and here is the SHORT answer, from our FAQ:
Question: Which is better, mac or pc?
Answer: Both have their uses in graphic design. While Macs have traditionally been considered "THE" tool for graphic design, either system is acceptable in the industry these days. It’s not which system you use, so much as how you use it. The quality of our work is NOT defined by our hardware.
there are probably more threads here, it's been discussed dozens of times. Try a forum search for more information.
also, here's one from our sister site, the creative forum: Are Macs More of a Status Symbol to Designers than a Necessity? (http://thecreativeforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=334)
TheBluePanda
11-30-2005, 08:08 PM
I don't care what I have, as long as it has a fast processor and lots of ram.
Logo-Mechanix
11-30-2005, 08:15 PM
It's the user that matters. If you stink you stink no matter what you use.
defjoe
11-30-2005, 08:16 PM
Dead Horse!!!!!!
colonel5
11-30-2005, 08:19 PM
i can't believe there is even arguement on this... we all know the superior operating system is Windows ME
keith1
11-30-2005, 08:20 PM
Mac's & PC's suck, I use commodore 64s!!!
Logo-Mechanix
11-30-2005, 08:24 PM
My first computer was a Commodore 64 with dual floppy disc drives and a phone modem and I thought that just ROCKED! Don't know what that has to with this discussion. What was the first computer you guys ever used. Now I am showing my age.
TheBluePanda
11-30-2005, 08:27 PM
http://post.extremus.net/photopost7/data/503/6oldcompad-med.JPG
colonel5
11-30-2005, 08:28 PM
the first computer I ever used was an Apple II, Zork was my favorite game, and my favorite past time was printing up banners on our dot matrix printer
Logo-Mechanix
11-30-2005, 08:29 PM
I wanted to buy one but they are all out.
Logo-Mechanix
11-30-2005, 08:30 PM
Hey, I used to love to print banners.
D-Frag
11-30-2005, 08:45 PM
someone kill me now please
*bangs head on wall*
DeleteYourself
11-30-2005, 08:47 PM
:frusty:
colonel5
11-30-2005, 08:50 PM
someone kill me now please
*bangs head on wall*
I could kill you, but then I'd have to... kill you
LeftBrain Artist
11-30-2005, 09:03 PM
Mac's & PC's suck, I use commodore 64s!!!
Yes!! And when you're tired of designing - you can fire up a game of Zaxxon! My uncle had one of those - used to play Zaxxon, wizards and warriors, dragons den - lucky for me I found his floppy disc for strip poker too!
Mynock
11-30-2005, 09:08 PM
http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12409
Silence04
11-30-2005, 09:39 PM
wow... i had the Tandy 1000! i didn't even know they made them up to 5000.
joshi
11-30-2005, 09:45 PM
It's the user that matters. If you stink you stink no matter what you use.
:D lol heh well said
just on the side... I must be really off when I don't even know what a Tandy is :D
PersonasBinar
11-30-2005, 09:49 PM
PEBCAK.....
Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard
Ohhh the Tandy my first hacks were done on one.
D-Zine
11-30-2005, 10:05 PM
Can't we all just get along? :D
LOL
Oh and yes... ::frusty:: and oh yeah DEAD HORSE :D
Sorry I had to agree with my fellow moderators :p
Why 90% of graphics here use MAC?
To answer this question my best guess is that back in 1984 when apple redefined the printing/designing market with the advent of the Macintosh, just about every printer/designer that could afford it bought one . The rest who insisted on the "old school approach" eventually went out of business. Although PC's in recent years have caught up graphically, over the years design firms and printers have acquired a nice collection of software, files and assorted hardware (Printers, Scanners and assorted disk/hard drives) that it would be a giant pain in the ass to switch over to the PC side for no performance gain, and the other problems associated with PC's. (Spyware ect.)
People on this forum tend to be a bit testy on this subject because it is brought up in one form or another every other week .. and because there seems to be an abnormal amount of PC designers on this forum. ;)
PersonasBinar
11-30-2005, 10:58 PM
There are just more of us now (PC wise).......lol...I use both so I really don't for the argument.
jimking
11-30-2005, 11:35 PM
All I can say from a printer's point of view is 90% of all problem files or poorly prepared jobs for press are from a PC. Not to mention that Macs are more productive.
That'll fire some folks up!
morea
11-30-2005, 11:40 PM
I'd imagine that has something to do with what PrintDriver fondly referred to as "secretary with CS" syndrome...
My boss, for example, thinks that Adobe CS is "magic" and will do all design work for me. So if someone working for a company is nominated their "designer" and really doesn't have any knowledge of printing, they aren't likely to prep their files properly just because they know how to dabble with software.
I can use both Mac and PC, but I work strictly on PC at the moment... and I don't think that it has ANY effect on my ability to design.
Edit: I should also mention that no print house I have ever worked with has had trouble with my files.
Logo-Mechanix
11-30-2005, 11:50 PM
Well said Morea, if you do it right you do it right on either pc or mac if you do it wrong you do it wrong the computer you use won't matter.
jimking
11-30-2005, 11:51 PM
That's because you know what you're doing. That is true about the secretary thing. I do believe the PCs have come along way in graphics but thinking of the older days sends chills down my spine. But lets face it, the PC is for the masses and every other type of computer is for the pros.
D-Zine
12-01-2005, 02:33 AM
are we still talking about this?
morea
12-01-2005, 02:35 AM
nah. We're talking about biscuits.
D-Zine
12-01-2005, 02:36 AM
and PANCAKES!!!
I know I know....
PANCAKES vs WAFFLES!!
morea
12-01-2005, 02:37 AM
oh hell.. I like the extra grooves in waffles. More texture. Mmm... texture.
It holds the whip cream better. :D
Gosh I'm hungry. Who's up for a late night run to IHOP?
morea
12-01-2005, 03:06 AM
Meeeeeeeeeeee!
D-Zine
12-01-2005, 03:07 AM
I'm in EC! Man I'm so glad you said IHOP and not Denny's. I can't go to Denny's and order a "Moons over my hammy" without laughing my ass off!!
If you warm up the car, I'll drive.
Dennys is good for one thing: french fries and ranch dressing at 3am.
D-Zine
12-01-2005, 03:08 AM
Well if you guys come here there is no reason to warm up the car...its in the 60's here today :D
morea
12-01-2005, 03:08 AM
cheers to moons! You picture this, don't you, DZ?
http://www.gigfoot.net/smiley/moon.gif
D-Zine
12-01-2005, 03:09 AM
Haaa haaa! hellz yeah!
distruktor
12-01-2005, 08:10 AM
Hi Guys,
I come last year from Europe and started my business here. I'm wondering what's with MACs? Why 90% of graphics here use MAC? Back in Europe MAC were like 5% of computers used. Are they really so much better than PCs?
wrong dude, every design studio or advertising agency i have ever worked at in europe in my 11 years has been so mac based its untrue... don't know where youve been working.
Not that ive got anything against PC's... everyone needs to send emails and browse the internet in their spare time ;)
dis
D-Zine
12-01-2005, 12:27 PM
Where's the dead horse everyone has been chasing Oh right right...it's this thread! :D
morea
12-01-2005, 12:31 PM
courtesy google:
http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-10276-204855-642/BeatADeadHorse.gif
D-Zine
12-01-2005, 12:51 PM
Thank you THANK YOU! :D
idaho
12-01-2005, 12:54 PM
Is it possible to ban anyone who asks a Mac vs. PC question? How about banning anyone who actually answers a Mac vs. PC question, or at least make them stand in a corner for a while.
Remember, when you respond to a Mac vs. PC thread you are just contributing to the problem.
The dead horse has been beaten into a pool of goo by now.
morea
12-01-2005, 12:59 PM
LOL @ Idaho!
Mitch Wood
12-01-2005, 01:01 PM
My Commodore 64K & ZX Spectrum (3.5mhz 16kb), will kick all your butts!
Can you load your software via tape with a really cool soundtrack??? Ya I thought not...
Pft, all this Mac talk is a load of rubbish, who needs em? ;)
Big up Sir Clive!!!! U da man!
D-Zine
12-01-2005, 01:07 PM
Idaho - it's possible for us to ban anyone we want - ho we wouldnt just ban for the sake of banning, or WOULD WE??
Muwahh haaa haa!
JPnyc
12-01-2005, 01:14 PM
Of course it's possible. We won't, but it's definitely possible :D
morea
12-01-2005, 01:15 PM
*psst... Joe... we won't REALLY, or are you just SAYING we won't to avoid mass hysteria?*
JPnyc
12-01-2005, 01:36 PM
Well he just asked if it was possible. It is. We'd never DO it but it's surely possible. :D
reuber1
12-01-2005, 01:48 PM
Exactly why we must revolt...the mods are drunk w/ power. :p
morea
12-01-2005, 01:49 PM
and beer. :p
But that's no matter... All we are saying... is give peace a chance!
morea
12-01-2005, 01:51 PM
after all, this is supposed to be a HAPPY occasion... let's not bicker and argue about who banned who!
jimking
12-01-2005, 01:55 PM
My Commodore 64K & ZX Spectrum (3.5mhz 16kb), will kick all your butts!
Can you load your software via tape with a really cool soundtrack??? Ya I thought not...
Pft, all this Mac talk is a load of rubbish, who needs em? ;)
Big up Sir Clive!!!! U da man!
Ban this one!
:)
morea
12-01-2005, 01:58 PM
lol :p
PersonasBinar
12-01-2005, 02:02 PM
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/5536/iwannariotcopy9ej.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Mitch Wood
12-01-2005, 02:05 PM
Ban this one!
:)
Aha, do I detect a touch of the 'ole' green eyes? ;)
You can take my user name, but you will never take my ZX!!!!! ;)
D Lucks
12-02-2005, 05:56 AM
The machine has nothing to do with design aspect. It has to do with the speed of the process. I mean you can do all the production work on a Windows machine, and then run defrag, disc check, virus check, spy ware check, and god know what other random shut downs and stuff. Probably more now, wouldn't know. I haven't used a Windows machine in about a year or two. OR you could do the work and not worry about anything else.:D Oh did I mention that there is like 200 and some virus for Mac which only like five to ten are system crippling, but then a very large chunk of those are already taken care by Apple. Last time I checked Microsoft tried to fix a major secuirty issue and the patch crippled like 50% of the software for the system.:eek: