any W.O.W. Players here?

[Silence04]

I think someone posted this about a year ago...
but now that i play World Of Warcraft on a religious basis, this subject has greater meaning to me than it did before...lol

So, does anyone else play this game often or did i just make a HUGE ASS DORK out of myself again???

[morea]

there are others here who play WOW... though I'm more of a Baldur's Gate / Neverwinter Nights kind of gal. ;)

[TheBluePanda]

My first MMORPG was Final Fantasy 11. I became very obsessed with it for 6 months, which was quite detrimental to my marriage since my wife hates video games (lucky me). Needless to say I havent picked up another mmorpg since.

[MD]

I think it was Dro that was playing W.O.W. - I always wanted to pick that game up but I just can't justify the $15 per month.

[Drorain]

use too...gave it up about 3 months ago. I had a level 60 hunter on a pvp server with all the best items I could get without having to play the raid dungeons. I stopped playing when they completely fuct up the pvp playing, also the world itself was just to small for me...not as epically large as Everquest

[Navian]

there are others here who play WOW... though I'm more of a Baldur's Gate / Neverwinter Nights kind of gal. ;)

I picked up the Neverwinter Nights Diamond package. One of these weekends Morea. Still kinda new at it. We'll have to set up a GDF NWN Adventure. lol


I used to play EQ, for 5 years. once they raised the $/mo to 14.99, I quit. The game doesnt justify that amount, not since when I started playing I only paid 9.99/mo, plus the game started to really really suck.

Only other MMORPG I've gotten into is Guild Wars, but I havent had a chance yet to test its limits yet.

I'm not really interested in the other MMORPG's EQ2, WoW, FF, CoH.

Only if they came out with something a bit more interesting, with out costing alot per month.

[morea]

I picked up the Neverwinter Nights Diamond package. One of these weekends Morea. Still kinda new at it. We'll have to set up a GDF NWN Adventure. lol

Ooh, I am so there!

I haven't played a whole lot of neverwinter yet, so I'm still a little new to it, too. I go back and forth between that and BG but I got caught up in a plot point a while ago in BG so I've been devoting more time to that one.

<-- geek :p

[Navian]

Are you playing the first BG or 2nd? I have both, lost cd's on the first so cant play that anymore.

Loved using this character modifier, so i can modify the apperance of characters.. Kinda cool going through the game as a Minotaur (Fighter class).

I like the plots in NWN but sometimes its just a blah blah blah to me. guess thats from the long days.

[morea]

I'm on BG2 - Shadows of Amn. I just finished spellhold and am on my way into the Underdark.

I still play good old Diablo and Diablo 2 from time to time as well. :D

[Drorain]

what would you say to me beating nwn in only 1 month ;)

[morea]

you finished it already dro? :eek:

[Navian]

Do you have the expansion for BG2? ToB?

The Underdark is hard, but its fun with other people.

I wished they made a Fallout MMORPG game.

I have those Fallout 1 and 2 that I cant get to work on Win XP. :(

Still have my Diablo 1 and Hellfire cd's, aswell as Diablo 2, unfortunatly my desktop at home (not laptop) had an older cd player in it, that started to juggle the cd, the spinner was jumping up and down /\/\/\/\ through the cd center and cracked the installation/play cd.

Fun times, had a 50 legit paladin in the server where the character is not on your system, so everything was supposed to be legit. I had some awsome gear on him. But, I lacked playing it for 4 months (lack of internet), so they delete accounts and characters after 3 mo of inactivity, and I lost him.

[morea]

I do have ToB but haven't played it yet. I'm playing an elven Kensai (sword saint) - a variation on the fighter class with awesome abilities but she can't wear armor - and that is SO frustrating!

Haven't played fallout either.

Man, level 50? I've never gone that high... I think my rogue was a level 27 or 28, and eventually the same thing happened to me. I wish there was a way to back your characters up! grr...

[Drorain]

well not quite yet, but I will within the week, I'm on the final chapter

[Navian]

Kensai is a good class mod.

Back in the old D&D ways, when you could Multi class, it was the best, the new NWN is kinda wierd with out it.

You could play a Fighter/cleric/mage or Fighter/cleric/thief and you where set to solo lol. In NWN its prestige classes (WTF is that?).

[Patrick Shannon]

I don't really have time for MMORPGs. Don't feel like killing rats for eight hours to go up one experience level, but I hear World of Warcraft fixes a lot of things wrong with those kinds of games anyway.

The only online games I play is on XBox Live (easier in shorter sessions), but unfortunately none of my friends have the service (let alone 360s) or are interested, and I don't know anyone else who has it for that matter. :(

[morea]

I was really bummed because I read something that said that a Kensai could take levels in mage (since neither can wear armor) and it makes for a really powerful character.

So the next time I hit a level up, I went to dual class - and realized that since I am an elf I CAN'T dual class. What a bunch of horse puckey. LOL! With a life span of hundreds of years, wouldn't an elf be MORE likely to multi class? Bah!

[morea]

ok, I know that RPG is role playing game, but what's the MMO parts?

[TheBluePanda]

Massively Multiplayer Online

[morea]

ah. Hantalye.

[Rocketpig]

I play WoW. I have a lvl 37 rogue and lvl 14 priest on Killrog.

I love that game. It fixed a lot of my issues with other MMORPGs (namely stupid crafting times, insane amounts of time leveling, and wandering around without a purpose).

And whoever said it earlier, a Fallout MMO would be crazy fun if they did it right.

[Navian]

It was me Rocket.

I really wished someone would. But like you said, they need to do it right and not screw it up.

[Mynock]

I think I might pick me up some NwN Diamond for like 30 bucks at Best Buy. I think it's a mistake because it's cheaper then Platinum. I played SWG for two years, but won't go back now. I also have Guild Wars, but I don't have anyone to play with or to help me learn, so I don't play it ever.

[Rocketpig]

It was me Rocket.

I really wished someone would. But like you said, they need to do it right and not screw it up.

I don't know why, but the idea of playing a drugged-out, STD-ridden male hooker sounds like a blast.

[reuber1]

I play Contra III.

[Drorain]

I'd SO play a Shadowrun MMO if they made one. WoW was worth about 10 months of entertainment...nothing will bring me back to it though, the expansion is to gimicky for me

[Navian]

I don't know why, but the idea of playing a drugged-out, STD-ridden male hooker sounds like a blast.

Or female, remember there was a gender choice in Fallout 1 and 2.

You could be a guy, playing a female drugged out std-ridden hooker. lol

[TheBluePanda]

A Mario-based MMORPG. I would sooo play that. It would be super magical and have minigames and happy music.

[Navian]

After Mario Party 1 came out, when you had to rotate the stupid joy stick on the N64 controller realy fast, THAT sucked. I was using the palm of my hand, eventualy after 5hrs of playing that dumb game, i had blisters from hell on my hands and fingers.

So I'll never touch a mario game again. FU Mario!

[Drorain]

no fans of Shadowrun?

[TheBluePanda]

After Mario Party 1 came out, when you had to rotate the stupid joy stick on the N64 controller realy fast, THAT sucked.

They're up to Mario Party 7 now. :D

[reuber1]

So I'll never touch a mario game again. FU Mario!Mario Kart has made me want to commit vehicular manslaughter. Awesome game, but awesomely cheap AI.

[Rocketpig]

no fans of Shadowrun?

I am. I've long thought that Shadowrun would translate into a great MMOPRG.

[Navian]

They're up to Mario Party 7 now. :D

I try to avoid anything Mario. (Except on reg NES)

[reuber1]

Don't be hatin' on Mario.

[Eraser Nubbin]

Ya that's right I am going there and resurecting this dead thread.
I think a Fallout online world would be awesome, they got lots of variety in there to keep things interesting. I played BOS online a bit and it went sooo fast I didn't have a clue what was going on. I love playing just the campaign though in the turn based mode.

Anyone out there playing Battlefield 2 online? I just got the patch running so I can hit the ranked servers and I could really use the buddy system with someone to get my skills up! I'm tired of padding 16 year old boys stats.

[Mynock]

I play BF2, and I think D-Frag does/did also. Right now though I'm housesitting and won't have high speed internet until March.

[LeftBrain Artist]

I've been doing board games lately. Crap like Twilight Imperium, Game of Thrones, Starfarers of Catan, Axis and Allies, Shogun, Godstorm Risk - the type of games that take like 12 hours to play a game. That's some hardcore geek stuff. They're fun games and all, I just wish they didn't take so long to play.

[Navian]

You could combine like a few games to make it interesting.

Like adding a rule while playing monopoly, if you land on someones property, instead of paying them out cash, you could challenge them to say a game of risk, or chess/checkers, or a short hand of poker; alter another game, make it interesting too.

Mingle your board and card games, its about fun, but using the overall structure rules, not breaking them but bending or altering them to improve it.

[Rocketpig]

Starfarers of Catan (or the "Phallus game" as I call it) and Axis & Allies are great.

LeftBrain, you should check out the card game Munchkin if you like "real" games. My friends and I have spent many a hung over Saturday playing that game for hours and hours and hours... It's absolutely hilarious. The whole point is to screw over your opponent as much as humanly possible. It leads to some great situations.

http://www.sjgames.com/munchkin/game/

With cards like "Monster the GM just made up" and "Cheat!" and the line in the instructions saying "roll dice to see who goes first then argue about the outcome", you know it has to be a great game.

[Mynock]

I've been doing board games lately. Crap like Twilight Imperium, Game of Thrones, Starfarers of Catan, Axis and Allies, Shogun, Godstorm Risk - the type of games that take like 12 hours to play a game. That's some hardcore geek stuff. They're fun games and all, I just wish they didn't take so long to play.Awesome. I'd love to play some Axis and Allies with like five others. I think it was my junior year we had a board set up with one of the teachers. We also play Samari Swords I think it was. Loved them both. I don't care for risk, not "realistic" enough.

[morea]

I'm in the damned underdark in BG SOA. I hope I can leave soon. :p

[LeftBrain Artist]

Starfarers of Catan (or the "Phallus game" as I call it) and Axis & Allies are great.

LeftBrain, you should check out the card game Munchkin if you like "real" games.

lol. The phallus game.
I've played Munchkin before - that's another fun one too, last time we played we had six players though, it went about 6 hours! There's a Vampire version of that game too. I like how its states anything that's not clear in the rules should be resolved by petty bickering in loud annoying voices, and the owner of the game gets final say.

I've also played some card game called "Guillotine" that's pretty good. And its relatively quick.
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/116

Mynock, that "Samurai Swords" game is the same thing as "Shogun", just alternate names - where you've got the board laid out as fuedal Japan with a gazillion provinces, you get money based on how many provinces you control which you then use to buy fortresses, troops, and bid for the ninja and turn order (represented by black samurai swords with dots on them). Yeah, we still play that every once in a while, its currently in my custody.

I never much cared for Risk, but we recently tried out a new version called GodStorm, where you play on ancient Europe as Barbarian tribes, and you get the Gods of War, Death, Magic, and Wind to supplement your armies with special powers, and when troops get killed, they get moved to the UnderWorld board where they can fight again and possibly be brought back. That's a pretty neat one.

[Eraser Nubbin]

Axis and Allies rocked, things almost came to blows once when we argued whether you had enough movement to industrial bomb America from England, I think I might have lost a friend over that game.
Man that game ate up a lot of time... When I sit and wonder what we used to do before we were old enough to drink that game comes to mind.
We never got our hands on a game of Shogun though, it looked pretty cool.

Mynock - Give me a dingle when you are ready for a BF2 apprentice

[Eraser Nubbin]

That GodStorm sounds pretty sweet.

We used to play castle risk which was kind of fun. Lately we have been giving the Lord of the Rings one a whirl, we throw out about half of the rules and cards and it is actually a pretty good time.

Me and a couple friends got high and played it one night with candles going and the King Arthur (Hans Zimmer) music going in the background. Yes... yes we are geeks.

[LeftBrain Artist]

Axis and Allies rocked, things almost came to blows once when we argued whether you had enough movement to industrial bomb America from England, I think I might have lost a friend over that game.

lol. Yeah, its funny how personally people take things when they're into hour 12 or more of doing anything.

[LeftBrain Artist]

That GodStorm sounds pretty sweet.

We used to play castle risk which was kind of fun. Lately we have been giving the Lord of the Rings one a whirl, we throw out about half of the rules and cards and it is actually a pretty good time.

Me and a couple friends got high and played it one night with candles going and the King Arthur (Hans Zimmer) music going in the background. Yes... yes we are geeks.

Oh jeez, I couldn't imagine playing any of those things stoned. It would take weeks to finish. LOL. King Arthur music, ever try the Conan theme music?

Everyone's a geek, we just differ on what we're geeks about. Some people its RPGs and boardgames, others its video games, comic books, for some its music, movies, porn, gardening.

[Mynock]

Nub, my homework for you in the next two months is to master your skills with driving a tank or apc. Then once I get back to fast internet in March we'll team up and own. We'll each be in a tank and each be engineers. If we stick close together and watch each others back we'll be unstoppable. <insert sinister laugh here> If you're *****ious you can learn to fly a copter and I'll be your gunner. I'm pretty good, but I can't fly the damn things as I don't have a joystick hooked up. I like it without.

[Rocketpig]

Everyone's a geek, we just differ on what we're geeks about. Some people its RPGs and boardgames, others its video games, comic books, for some its music, movies, porn, gardening.

Or for others it's all of the above.

Except gardening. How lame.

[Rocketpig]

lol. The phallus game.
I've played Munchkin before - that's another fun one too, last time we played we had six players though, it went about 6 hours! There's a Vampire version of that game too. I like how its states anything that's not clear in the rules should be resolved by petty bickering in loud annoying voices, and the owner of the game gets final say.

Yeah, there's Munchkin Bites (vampires), Star Munchkin (sci fi), Munchkin Fu (kung-fu), and Super Munchkin (superheroes).

My friends and I have them all and mix the decks.

The games get pretty chaotic but they're never too long (about three hours max now that all of us know the cards and rules well).

Back when we started, six hour games were not unusual.

[Eraser Nubbin]

Haha yup I think I checked off everyone of those things on my geek list except for gardening.
Is reading in the bathtub a geek thing or is that just strange?

Mynock - I'm decent in the APCs, a little slow with the tank action, I play a lot of engineer, and medic when I am in a squad, to kill someone I usually have to shoot a them for a while, run hide and heal, then go back and shoot at them some more.

Left Brain - that conan music is sweeeeeeeeet that Basil pooleeardis guy is one heck of a conductor.

[D Lucks]

Well back to what this was about...hehehe:D I AM A HUGE DORK! I play on the Thundedrlord server I have a 46 dwarf warrior by the name of Omoran, which should be 60 in the next month or so. Also, a 19 dwarf hunter that is pimped to rape Horde in Warson Gultch. Thinking he maybe the next to move up. I have one of every class on the Alliance side. Ranging any where from level 3 to 17 I believe. To whoever said it wasn't big enough land....the Burning Crusade, expansion pack, should be in the area of doubling the current usable area. Adding the Outlands which is for the 60+ group. Then also there is a new area for The Horde's new race, Blood Elves. There was a leak saying that the Alliance is getting some type of "elder human". Not sure if there will be a new area or not for them. If there is then you're looking more then doubling the current area. Now to the the 15 bucks a month issue...I was the same way, no way in hell will I pay that when I was currently a Halo nut at the time. Well, I worked with a few people that were talking about. Got it cheap game cheap for like $20 and tried the free month...OMG! So worth it to me. I ened up doing the 6 months at a time which brings it down to like 12.99 a month. $74ish altogether. So, yeah i'm a huge dork like I said before. If anyone is interested let me know and I can set you up nicely on Thunderlord. Also, get you in to a pretty decent guild.:D

[TheBluePanda]

</dork>


:D

[Patrick Shannon]

Bringing this thread back, I decided to give WOW a try and am installing it now. It was only like $30 and has a free month, so if I don't like it or have time for it, no biggie.

[Drorain]

hey dlucks...I am an eq veteran, and Wow is miniscule compared to that world...but the game play is much different and deserves a lot of merit

[D Lucks]

hey dlucks...I am an eq veteran, and Wow is miniscule compared to that world...but the game play is much different and deserves a lot of merit
Wait till the exp. pack. Hey Patrick get under the Thunderload Alliance side and look up Omoran and I can help ya out!:D

[Patrick Shannon]

Drat D Lucks, already have a character I'm attached to on Alexstrasza. :(

So far this game does fix a lot of things that annoyed me about other MMORPGs. The only problem nearly ALL these RPG's have is that these games make it nearly impossible to hook up with your friends if they're scattered around different servers. As Penny Arcade put it so elegantly, you have to create a new character and you're back to level retarded.

Even if it costs a small fee, add in the ability to change servers, is that so hard? <shrugs>

[D Lucks]

Drat D Lucks, already have a character I'm attached to on Alexstrasza. :(

So far this game does fix a lot of things that annoyed me about other MMORPGs. The only problem nearly ALL these RPG's have is that these games make it nearly impossible to hook up with your friends if they're scattered around different servers. As Penny Arcade put it so elegantly, you have to create a new character and you're back to level retarded.

Even if it costs a small fee, add in the ability to change servers, is that so hard? <shrugs>
Ahh, alright cool. This is very true. Then again if they offered that Medivh would be slammed right now. They're the first one to open the AQ Gates. The only real thing that bothers me is the PvP policy. If you're on a PvP server you'll find out what I mean when ya hit Stranglethorn Vale. You'll get corpse camped like 6-7 times. Blizz only response is they'll get a dishonorable kill and stop. That's all good and stuff but the dishonorable kill doesn't do much to them when a 60 can go into Altearic Valley one time and get close to 2,000 honor! Other wise I love it like crack! Still getting straight A's in my classes too!:D

[John G]

Never thought I'd play an MMO because of the $15 a month. My brother finally conned me into it and now I'm pretty well hooked.

I've got a 58 dwarf warrior (Gwoardnog) on Smolderthorn. I'm slow, I've been playing him since May. I've started a number of alts, but none of them have made it past lvl 10 yet (probably won't get any higher).

Haven't done much PVP yet, but I liked it better without battlegrounds as you always had town raids going on somewhere (being of the recieving end is rather interesting too).

Now back to mining thorium mines for arcanite.... I want my enchanted thorium armor dangit!

but after work... grrr

[Rocketpig]

Ahh, alright cool. This is very true. Then again if they offered that Medivh would be slammed right now. They're the first one to open the AQ Gates. The only real thing that bothers me is the PvP policy. If you're on a PvP server you'll find out what I mean when ya hit Stranglethorn Vale. You'll get corpse camped like 6-7 times. Blizz only response is they'll get a dishonorable kill and stop. That's all good and stuff but the dishonorable kill doesn't do much to them when a 60 can go into Altearic Valley one time and get close to 2,000 honor! Other wise I love it like crack! Still getting straight A's in my classes too!:D

Ah, c'mon. Camping the great lift in Thousand Needles and Fearing every opposing faction player that walks by never gets old.

It's hilarious to watch them run off the ledge while you know the person is screaming at his/her monitor.

[D Lucks]

Ah, c'mon. Camping the great lift in Thousand Needles and Fearing every opposing faction player that walks by never gets old.

It's hilarious to watch them run off the ledge while you know the person is screaming at his/her monitor.
HAHA got a good one. I was playing one of my alts, 13 warlock, and some 35 lock kept spamming duels, told him no three or four times and wouldn't stop. Well finally told him @&!# off and he reported me lol. Like two seconds later a GM is trying to talk to me lol. They won't do a damn thing to a 60 that wipes out a 5 man group 4 or 5 times in less then a 1/2 hour. I don't mind having fun, but that's harrasment lol. My favorite thing to do is get on my friend's 60 Undead rogue, and stealth into Red Ridge and take out people with one shoot from his bloodseeker!

[Rocketpig]

A question for you Mac gamers out there...

How do I minimize the game without exiting?

I've never used a Mac for gaming before and I can't figure it out.

[Patrick Shannon]

Command+M. Use it, love it.

[Rocketpig]

Hahahaha, some WoW players have too much time on their hands.

http://msn-cnet.com.com/World-of-Warcraft-Girls-Gone-W-O-W-movie/3000-7541_4-10359955.html

[reuber1]

LEEEEEROYYYYYYYYYY-JENKINS!!!

I don't get WoW anything, but when someone showed me that video, that was friggin' hilarious.

[Rocketpig]

LEEEEEROYYYYYYYYYY-JENKINS!!!

I don't get WoW anything, but when someone showed me that video, that was friggin' hilarious.

Hehehehe, yeah. That one turned into an instant classic.

[Patrick Shannon]

LEEEEEROYYYYYYYYYY-JENKINS!!!

I don't get WoW anything, but when someone showed me that video, that was friggin' hilarious.

An oldie' (by web standards), but a goodie. When we're going off to a meeting, sometimes me and my coworkers yell out "Let's do this! Leeeeee-rrrooooy JENK-ins!"

Can't forget about "It's not my fault!" and "At least I have chicken!" also ;)

Thank you Leeroy Jenkins, for teaching us not to "think," but to "do."

[MD]

Anyone else excited about the possibility of D3?
http://www.gamingsteve.com/archives/2006/02/rumor_diablo_ii.php

[Rocketpig]

Anybody else here running WoW on an Intel Mac? I just got my grubby little hands on the beta Univeral Application patch for it and if you're nice to me, I might tell you how to get it...

[Patrick Shannon]

Rocketpig, my good buddy..... :D

[Patrick Shannon]

Diablo 3 is definitely something I want to see, but I kind of hope that Blizzard is developing something completely new.....too many companies have "sequel-itis" these days.

[Navian]

Interesting, Beelzebub 3 eh? Never seen Beelzebub 1 or 2. Matter of fact I've never heard of a "Snowstorm" game company. :p

I dont know mixed issues. If they dont screw up 3 like they did 2 (in that link), I might enjoy it more. Paladins owned in 2, till they changed the thorns (not doing as much damage), zeal (from 20 hits to 5), fanaticism (not as fast), and redemption (doesnt recover mana/health as much as it used to) top 4 bound skills, i cycled through those like no tomorrow. I just hated those hackers.

Hackers cant play a game without cheating, which means they suck! lol

[Rocketpig]

Patrick, just sent you a PM.

[MD]

D2 was like crack to me ... a full 3d Diablo set in heaven vs. an attacking hell ... that sounds too pancaking sweet. Anyone up for a Baal run for old times sake?

[Mynock]

Lol, first you have to rush me through act I-IV

[MD]

for 1 soj ...

[panzer]

did any one ever play the thief games i know they are not like the ones your are on about
but the enjoyment i got from that game was immense

[Patrick Shannon]

FYI, the Intel native Mac patch is now available with the new update.

[Rocketpig]

FYI, the Intel native Mac patch is now available with the new update.

Yeah, I got an email about that last night. I need to update when I get home tonight.

[Mynock]

LOL, what are soj's again?

[MD]

Unique - Stone of Jordan Ring

[Satchel]

Wow soj's bring back memories - that game was also like crack to me. When i was 19 I took a year off (of everything) and just played that game it seems. I had 3 mules full of duped soj's they became worthless - then a patch came out and ruined my zon, and it was too expensive for repairs on my barb - I quit playing!

EDIT: oh and I didn't need to cheat, but it gets boring - just like SoCom is boring now so every now and again I like to hop inside a box or wall... but it doesn't mean I HAVE to cheat, but it just give a little "spice" to the same old thing! Some say find a new game - but I like the games, I just get bored with them.

[Drorain]

so superbowl sunday my friend was playing WoW on his computer, I was thinking oh looks mostly the same, even though new patches have come out, he asked if I wanted to play.

Fearing the addiction, and standing on my solid stance that the world is to small I replied no, I did it, I am free of the world of warcraft...BAHAHAHAHAHAA

[Patrick Shannon]

Until the expansion pack comes out ;)

[D Lucks]

Whoa, this thread is still going strong it seems. Anyways, any up for posting pics of their UI's? I'm currently looking into different ones and want to see if by chance I missed a niffty mod!:) Oh BTW, I got my warrior to 56!:D

[D Lucks]

http://www.boomspeed.com/stultzinc83/UI.jpg
Well there is mine. I'm using Gypsy Bars, Pearl Group, Profile, and Target. Titan bar.

[Drorain]

actually patrick I'm done, I played it a year, and I played EQ off and on for 4 years...the next game I'm looking at might be LOTR online, DnD, or RF online (The last one fufills an anime fetish)

[TheBluePanda]

Leeeeeeerrrooooooyyyyyyyyy Jennnnnkkkkkkkinnnnnsssss. :)

[Patrick Shannon]

D Lucks: How did you get that nifty bar on the top of the screen?

[Neballer]

I like mancala, does that count.

[Mynock]

I do too, we should play some time nebs.

[Neballer]

check this out Mynock
http://www.rocketsnail.com/mancala/

[D Lucks]

D Lucks: How did you get that nifty bar on the top of the screen?
That would be Titan Bar.