alright already! I give in

[colonel5]

I'm learning CSS.

The majority of work I do is print based, but it seems as though I have the potential to pick up a little more web design work.

I already know HTML pretty well and have barely dabbled into CSS

but I am giving in. I bought a book on CSS and I'm fo real gonna learn it!

Beyond my book and w3schools.com does anyone have any tips or suggestions as I'm diving into this part of the world finally?

[JPnyc]

My 1st thought is, don't get frustrated with the imperfections in CSS/2. It's far from complete, far from perfect, and in my opinion, parts of it are far from logical. But it's the only game in town.

[morea]

ooh, the blind leading the blind... that would be me offering you advice about learning CSS.

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nonetheless, check out designer today (http://www.designertoday.com/tabindex-19/tabid-38/DesktopDefault.aspx), w3.org (http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/learning), and about (http://webdesign.about.com/od/beginningcss/) to start with.

[JPnyc]

OH yeah, I almost forgot, get a seeing-eye cat.

[colonel5]

ooh, the blind leading the blind... that would be me offering you advice about learning CSS.

B
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nonetheless, check out designer today (http://www.designertoday.com/tabindex-19/tabid-38/DesktopDefault.aspx), w3.org (http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/learning), and about (http://webdesign.about.com/od/beginningcss/) to start with.

thanks, is there a site called "designer tomorrow"? because I prefer to be on the cutting edge ;o)

[morea]

Google doesn't recognize "designer tomorrow" - maybe you should buy the domain and you could set all the trends for the future!

OH yeah, I almost forgot, get a seeing-eye cat.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c343/gdfmorea/2e3c727f.gif

[JPnyc]

Damn right I am ! :D

[EC]

Honestly? I learned mostly by reading code, lots of it. I'd see a site that I liked or wanted to learn how something is done, view source, and just study it.

[morea]

in that case? www.csszengarden.com

[EC]

Also, once you get past the "CSS for dummies" books, I can not recommend enough this book -- http://simplebits.com/publications/solutions/. It gives an outstanding explanation for the "WHY" that goes hand and hand with the "HOW".

[EC]

For that matter: http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13057

[morea]

kiss up. ;)

[EC]

muuuah!

[morea]

woo hoo! :p

[JPnyc]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Gotta love this looney bin.

[morea]

that's why we keep coming back. That, or we can't find the door to leave. :D

[JPnyc]

Or our real lives really are as dull as others say.................:)

[morea]

nah. Not possible. ;)

[JPnyc]

Speak for yerself. I've gone to great lengths to have my life be as it is :) I just LOVE peace and quiet. So naturally I chose to live in midtown manhattan LMAO!

[morea]

now there's some zen for you. :p

[JPnyc]

Boy we hijacked the Colonel's thread good'n proper. I have the best of both worlds here. My apt. is quiet as a mausoleum, and when I step outside it I have the greatest adult playground in the world.

[morea]

sorry colonel. :o

[jimintn]

Joe, I thought you left town for the weekend, but I thought I saw a light on in your window saturday night

[JPnyc]

That would be a neat trick, Jim. You'd need to be standing in the courtyard behind the bldg to see my window, or in the hotel across the alley.

[jimintn]

must have been someone else's window

sorry

[JPnyc]

Well heck there's only 90 million of em here LOL, so I s'pose it's an easy mistake to make.

[colonel5]

Boy we hijacked the Colonel's thread good'n proper. I have the best of both worlds here. My apt. is quiet as a mausoleum, and when I step outside it I have the greatest adult playground in the world.

yeah, you guys are jerks... just kidding, or am i?

[morea]

I'm guessing "no" :p

[JPnyc]

But it doesn't make us bad people.

[Mynock]

I have two books (the zen of css design and Visual Quickstart Guide DHTML and CSS) and alot of online help from Joe and EC. I didn't really learn anything until I started to work on the actual site. I didn't have any real grasp of html, but I do have a minor in computer science. I'm not a guru yet. I'm a two on a scale of one to ten.

[JPnyc]

He's right, learning by coding something and seeing the result is part of the learning experience. However fair warning, without a good reference or some help it can be VERY frustrating.

[morea]

oh, I would recommend www.graphicdesignforum.com - there are some really good web designers there who are usually very helpful. Unless they go and derail your thread...

[colonel5]

oh, I would recommend www.graphicdesignforum.com - there are some really good web designers there who are usually very helpful. Unless they go and derail your thread...

lol, yeah. thanks for the advice guys, i've already found myself a bit frustrated, but I had a breakthrough last night! I'm moving along slowly but surely.

[JPnyc]

Oh yeah M, those are great folks there. Scarcely find any more knowledgable folks in the industry!

[Jimeda Fork]

I can't seem to get that link to work. Could Morea be slipping? I'd better check with Mynock.

[morea]

:( *sob* :(


for clarification:

http://img418.imageshack.us/img418/3645/13yb1.jpg

[JPnyc]

Was that sob as in crying or S.O.B.? :D

[Jimeda Fork]

My guess is the 2nd one if she's referring to me :eek:


Edit: The Flyers WILL win tonight.

[morea]

come on Joe, I think you're supposed to defend my honor...

[JPnyc]

Ok, ok. Typing test at 10 paces!

[morea]

BWA HA HA! <evil grin>

[morea]

yeah, you BETTER hide. :p

[Jimeda Fork]

Sorry bout that, I was away from my desk for the all important office golf tournament. Now I'm back and I'm locked and loaded.

[Jimeda Fork]

Edit: The Flyers WILL win tonight.


Wow Joe, you let this one get by.

[morea]

I will summon my minions to fight for me...

http://www.ahajokes.com/cartoon/cat.jpg



bring it on.

[Meganpru]

CSS is definitely cutting edge, or at least it will be when all the browsers support it properly. Look up Eric Meyer. There's a book called "Eric Meyer on CSS" or maybe 2 or 3 by now, that have tutorials and are pretty easy to follow. His web site also has a lot of examples and resources.

Good luck! :)

[Mynock]

bring it on Mo
http://www.slotcarplace.com/hometracks/Neil_s/MVC-002S.JPG

[morea]

http://members.aol.com/mlm300/images/cat%20on%20dog.jpg

[colonel5]

CSS is definitely cutting edge, or at least it will be when all the browsers support it properly. Look up Eric Meyer. There's a book called "Eric Meyer on CSS" or maybe 2 or 3 by now, that have tutorials and are pretty easy to follow. His web site also has a lot of examples and resources.

Good luck! :)

thanks for the source

[Mynock]

http://www.future-of-vaccination.co.uk/images/dog-cat-tree.jpg

[morea]

http://www.thecatgallery.com/images/guess_who.jpg

[Mynock]

http://www.mypkhome.com/cat-dog/cat-dog-17.jpg
CATS SUCK!

[morea]

let's keep it clean there, mister!

[Mynock]

Ok :p

[morea]

http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/2595/takethat2ni.jpg