The CIA

[jimking]

Ooh--Anyone interested? This will stir the pot abit I think.:)
http://www.cia.gov/employment/jobs/prepress_specialist.html

[Logo-Mechanix]

That would probobly be kind of cool, maybe they would give you a trench coat and a fedora. Maybe even a iniature camera.

[Drorain]

nice salary range, at least it pays well, but if your in that, who knows what you can show in your portfolio for a later job. It'd be exciting, but I'm not into being all that secret about my work.

[jimking]

If you except a job from them--you do keep it a secret. It's their policy.

[Navian]

Sad part about working for any part of the gov. You have to go through a crap load of security/background checks. By the time they are done you would think a physical was a walk in the park.

I've had it done to me, it sucks they find all sorts of crap.

[jimking]

They do one hell of a background check! They will interview your old teachers from school, talk to your neighbors, your relatives. They will do a psychological evaluation on you and perform a lie detector test, check your finances. They will do everything short of inserting a gizmo up your kazoo and maybe they need to. An old friend got a job there several years ago. Growing up as a kid he wanted to be a Roman Catholic priest. He was in like Flynn.

[Drorain]

nah I've nothing to hide...'cept maybe crappy credit *hah!*

[jimking]

Bad credit can sink you. The fear would be that you could bail yourself out of debt by selling info.

[Navian]

nah I've nothing to hide...'cept maybe crappy credit *hah!*

Thats what you think. lol

They'll find something.

Even a PI (Private Investigator) can find some simple things that you wouldn't know about. Like someone else using your social security number. One job I had, they did a criminal and credit background check, I wasnt the only one who had someone messing with my SS#. About 1200 other people got there reports too, with the same issues.


EDIT* Oh some companies and gov branches wont hire you if your credit history is poor. When I worked for TSA, I've seen people get terminated from having poor credit.

[Drorain]

oh well its my problem not theirs...oh I'm sure that if I was making a decent wage my credit would be better as well though, but since one lives pay check to pay check...well things come up I'd say. And since I payout 28% of what I earn to support the rest of the people that dont work, well I guess I'm in a hole I'd need to dig myself out of.

Guess ya'll know why I'm repub now...but this isnt about politics its would be a cool job I'm sure.

[Logo-Mechanix]

I might not pass the background check, but hey weve all done stupid things in the past. When I was much younger (the 80's/early 90's) there was a blurry line between stupid and fun.

[Drorain]

EDIT* Oh some companies and gov branches wont hire you if your credit history is poor. When I worked for TSA, I've seen people get terminated from having poor credit.

oh and potential employers shouldnt be able to check credit score...I'd say thats more of a form of discrimination larger than not highering someone based on their color, age, or sex

how people spend money is their business ;)

[Navian]

It's really not discrimination.

If you spend your money earned foolishly to run yourself into bad credit, it shows to an employer, that you cant really be trusted with the companies money. There are a few companies here in UT that are doing it that way, and besides they have the "employment at will" law to back them up, where it doesnt fall into the discrimination catagory.

[Drorain]

your probably right...sorry I let my politics show thru every now and then and I never had addressed this particular issue.

either way...would people like working in DC? I prefer the North Eastern cities myself, but I dont think I'd much like DC

[Logo-Mechanix]

I had a chance out of school to work in New York City and turned it down. I regretted it at first but in the long haul it turned out to be the right decision, I don't think I could have made the commute everyday.

[jimking]

I'ts outside of DC in Virginia.

[Satchel]

It's really not discrimination.

If you spend your money earned foolishly to run yourself into bad credit, it shows to an employer, that you cant really be trusted with the companies money.

I know I'm late to this thread, but I dont agree with that statment. Just because you are in debt, does not mean you spend your money foolishly - and even if you did, it doesn't mean you cant be trusted with company money - bad credit doesn't make you a thief!
S.

[Logo-Mechanix]

I agree Satch, but too many people ruin their credit when they are young and it will hurt you later on in life in more ways than just employment. With bad credit you will not get a mortgage, you will get a car loan at 10% and credit cards with astronomical rates. When I was living the lean days living off of maccaroni and cheese and peanut butter and jelly sandwiches I still made sure my rent was paid on time and I did not charge what I could not afford to buy. But you are right to some extent sometimes you have to live and if that means creating bad credit than so be it, but you will pay for it down the road.

[Satchel]

I undestand you'll pay for it, and I know navian isn't saying this because he thinks it, it's just business - I just dont think bad credit means you cant be trusted! How many people out there with bad credit, or no credit for that matter. Credit is so crazy, the more you check it the more it goes down.

[Navian]

Bad Credit usualy is from:

Poor spending choices and bad budgeting,

or

You have a too low of a wage in an area with a higher cost of living. (if this is the case get a 2nd job or find training and get a better paying job).

Usualy its a combination of both.

Edit* Here is someone with some good advice about all that:Suze Orman (http://www.suzeorman.com).

Great advice.

[Logo-Mechanix]

I know plenty of people with bad credit and usually its is because of poor choices they made but not always. And most of them are great people unfortuanetly that counts for very little in todays society.

[Satchel]

I know plenty of people with bad credit and usually its is because of poor choices they made but not always. And most of them are great people unfortuanetly that counts for very little in todays society.

That was well put - I'll put away the fangs - it's not a jab at people with bad credit, it's simply the truth!
S.

BTW - I have pretty good credit, better than both my parents (maybe even put together)

[morea]

You have a too low of a wage in an area with a higher cost of living. (if this is the case get a 2nd job or find training and get a better paying job).

My credit is good, but I carry a lot of debt.

It's due to the reason listed above (I'm in NY) AND because the print shop I worked for went out of business and it took me 6 months to find a new job - so the credit card bills started to pile up.

It's a bummer.

[Logo-Mechanix]

It doesn't take long to go into debt thats for sure. I f I lost my job today by Monday I would be in debt. When you have a mortgage, a car payment and all the bills that go with a house it would not take long thats for sure. And like Satch I have better credit than both my parents combined as well, last time I refinanced my mortgage to get a lower rate my score was around 640. You wouldn't beleive the trouble I had when I first applied for a mortgage due to the fact that my dad and I have the same name and for some odd reason (read the stupid people thread) they wouldn't believe that I wasn't late on a credit card payment in 1986 when I was 16 years old.

[jimking]

Found this on another site. Note No.2 if your credit gets bad.
1) At lunchtime, sit in your parked car with sunglasses on and point a hairdryer at passing cars. See if they slow down.

2) Tell your children over dinner. "Due to the economy, we are going to have to let one of you go."

3) Every time someone asks you to do something, ask if they want fries with that.

4) Put your rubbish bin on your desk and label it "IN."

5) Put decaf in the coffee maker for 3 weeks. Once everyone has gotten over his or her caffeine addictions, switch to espresso.

6) In the subject field for all your e-mails, write "FOR SEXUAL FAVOURS".

7) Finish all your sentences with "In accordance with the prophecy."

8 ) Dont use any punctuation

9) As often as possible, skip rather than walk.

10) Ask people what sex they are. Laugh hysterically after they answer.

11) Specify that your drive-through order is "to go."

12) Sing along at the opera.

13) Go to a poetry recital and ask why the poems don't rhyme.

14) Put mosquito netting around your work area. Play a tape of jungle sounds all day.

15) Five days in advance, tell your friends you can't attend their party because you're not in the mood.

16) Have your co-workers address you by your wrestling name, Rock Hard.

17) When the money comes out of the ATM, scream "I Won! I Won! 3rd time this week!!!"

18 ) When leaving the zoo, start running towards the parking lot yelling, "Run for your lives, they're loose!"

[Booger]

Kinda OT, but I'd still like the info on this.

Will your credit rating go down if you make say like 2 or 3 payments on a credit card bill? Like if I spaced out a 1k bill over 3 months is that going to kill me?

I've actually had people tell me it would increase the credit rating somehow, but I don't see that happening.

I just want to keep my A+ score, but I'd love to space a large bill like that out just so it didn't hit the checking accound hard.

[Logo-Mechanix]

Kinda OT, but I'd still like the info on this.

Will your credit rating go down if you make say like 2 or 3 payments on a credit card bill? Like if I spaced out a 1k bill over 3 months is that going to kill me?

I've actually had people tell me it would increase the credit rating somehow, but I don't see that happening.

I just want to keep my A+ score, but I'd love to space a large bill like that out just so it didn't hit the checking accound hard.

That will affect your credit score without a doubt. You should at least try to make the minimum payment, but pay more than the minimum whenever you can because just making the minimum payment will require your great grandchildren to finish paying for that cheeseburger.

[Booger]

Oh I was planning on paying like 300,300,400 or something like that.
Just thinking about not paying a lump sum of 1k right off the bat. Just spreading a few hundred out over 3 months at most.

I rarely use a credit card though, gas and thats about it, until this next purchase.
Checks and cash to go everything else. The only reason I got a credit card was because of so many places down here that make you prepay for gas, which I hate. I'm used to pulling up, filling, then paying after I get a full tank, not running back and forth inside for change, or just getting twenty worth of gas.

[Logo-Mechanix]

I got gas recently in PA where you pump it yourself and it wasn't any cheaper than here in Jersey where the attendant pumps it for you, so whats the point.

[Booger]

I've never had someone pump gas for me, so I wouldn't know.
Down here in Texas we pump our own.

I was just talking about pay before or after for the most part.

[steve-o]

The thing about government jobs is that they are much more secure than private sector jobs and usually offer good benefits. You could do a lot worse than Northern VA too.

[jimking]

I got gas recently in PA where you pump it yourself and it wasn't any cheaper than here in Jersey where the attendant pumps it for you, so whats the point.
I travel to Jersey often. I think they have some of the best prices for gas. Several years ago I tipped a guy pumping my gas because I didn't realize at the time that all gas stations there are full service. :eek:

[Logo-Mechanix]

Thats so funny that you tipped a gas station attendant, you must have made his week. Where abouts in Jersey have you been, north or south.

[Satchel]

You dont tip gas station attendants when they pump your gas? Seems like a tippable job - I would probably tip them too... If it's anything like Minnesota where it gets NASTY cold out, they deserve tips!
S.

[Logo-Mechanix]

Wow thats really weird, that you guys would tip gas station attendants. I mean if he checked my oil and washed my windshield maybe but nobody I know of around here tips gas station attendants.

[Satchel]

Well I dont know anyone who doesn't pump their own gas so...
S.

[Logo-Mechanix]

Yeah most states are self service and I often wonder why Jersey is not. There must be some high ranking politicians who get kickbacks from the gas pumpers union.

[jimking]

Thats so funny that you tipped a gas station attendant, you must have made his week. Where abouts in Jersey have you been, north or south.
My sister lives in Randolf (northern Jersey) and a cousin who's stationed at Fort Piccatini in northern Jersey. I went to a friends wedding in Jersey City at the new Hyatt hotel. One hell on a sight of the New York City skyline--breathtaking!!

[Logo-Mechanix]

Thats so funny Randolph is the next town over from me and my best friends ex wife worked at piccatinny and so did my grandfather. If you are there again make sure you go to Liberty State Park the view is aw inspiring except for the missing twin towers it makes me sad everytime I see that view.

[jimking]

The Hyatt is straight across the Hudson from Wall Street where the towers used to stand.
Sounds like you're near Morristown? Fort Piccatinny has been around since the 1700s.
They, of course you know, used to make bombs there. Back in the 1930s I think, they had a huge explosion, killing alot of people. My cousin tells me that no bombs are made there anymore because that job has been farmed out to Poland. Can you believe that?

[Logo-Mechanix]

They made amunition for George Washington's continental army and there have been more than one explosion there over the years the one in the 30's killed people in the neighboring town of Rockaway. I actually go fishing at a little pond near the back entrance of the base. I am actually in the town of Landing which is part of Roxbury the town right next to Randolph I am very close to Lake Hopatcong which is the largest lake in New Jersey. Jersey City is very close to Liberty State Park which is near Newark airport.

[jimking]

My cousin told me that alot of the grounds are polluted and you can't fish in the lake on base cause of the pollution. However, the grounds look fine to me and the lake is beautiful.

[TheBluePanda]

CIA job, that would be hot. Just to say "I work for the CIA" would be worth it.

[jimking]

CIA job, that would be hot. Just to say "I work for the CIA" would be worth it.
You're not allowed to. No kidding. Unless of course they are close to you.

[Navian]

Oregon is a non-selfservice state.

[Logo-Mechanix]

My cousin told me that alot of the grounds are polluted and you can't fish in the lake on base cause of the pollution. However, the grounds look fine to me and the lake is beautiful.

They have cleaned it up alot from what I understand, although I have only been on base as a spectator for parades and things like that I know people who have fished and hunted on the base and they say it is beautiful. I might be leary of eating anything only because of the rumors but as far as fishing I love to fish but hate eating them so the ones I catch live to see another angler anyway.

[jimking]

I spent the weekend on base about 4months ago and drove around the base.
There is a large rock with a plack next to the lodge beside the lake marking the spot (George Washington days) were the first bomb manufacturing plant was. The one thing that surprised me was the guards at the gate were not army, they were contract employees.

[SurfPark]

I think the idea is appealing because so many people think they're going to be working on some intriguing stuff...something out of 007. The sad fact is that design work for the government is probably pretty banal. I'm sure its a lot of information design, but probably a very corporate look and feel. I wouldn't be opposed to it, but I'd have to want to live in the Washington area. D.C. has never been a top of my list...maybe a tourist visit, but I'm not sure about living there.

[Navian]

or worse, form layout design. bleah.

[Loopy]

All applicants must successfully complete a thorough medical and psychological exam, a polygraph interview and an extensive background investigation. US citizenship is required. To be considered suitable for Agency employment, applicants must generally not have used illegal drugs within the last twelve months. The issue of illegal drug use prior to twelve months ago is carefully evaluated during the medical and security processing.


Guess I'm SOL

[morea]

because you're Canadian, or because of illegal drugs? ;)

[jimking]

Loopy? That should tell you something.

[Ned]

because you're Canadian, or because of illegal drugs? ;)

For me, it's both. :(

PS, aren't we artistic and creative professionals SUPPOSED to do drugs? :rolleyes:

[morea]

I don't know about you guys, but I couldn't afford to if I wanted to.

Except caffeine. And Lord knows I get more than my fair share of that! :p

[jimking]

There's always paint thinner. :eek:

[Drorain]

No I'm already pancaked up enough in my head not to need drugs or alchy.

I'm straight edge, most I'll drink is three, and that doesnt touch me..you see I'm 6'4" and 270+ lbs, so ya...3 drinks does nothing to me.

No for my inspiration I draw upon a vivid memory of video games, and LOTS of reading in my teen years. I still do both, but now I have other distractions as well like work and forum

[reuber1]

Isn't hijacking a classified thread just wrong, or is it me?

Wait, sh!t, I just did it!

[morea]

you said the word! The word the Knights of Ni cannot hear!

[DivineDesign]

they came to my school to interview a few ppl for a GD position....i would have interviewed had i decided to move to DC instead of jax :)

[cjoe]

Quote: "All applicants must successfully complete a thorough medical and psychological exam, a polygraph interview and an extensive background investigation. US citizenship is required."

Holy sh!t balls! is this common practice in the US or is it just for government jobs?

About the most extensive background checks they do here are: if you haven't been arrested for three days and if you're not in Osama Bin Ladens address book.

[jimking]

It's the CIA! You gotta be a saint. Hell, all they'd have to do is interview some of my relatives and that would be it for me.

[cjoe]

It's the CIA! You gotta be a saint. Hell, all they'd have to do is interview some of my relatives and that would be it for me.

LOL.

[Zenobian Grey]

screw it, I'm looking for some goverment contracts, anyone got the scoop?

[MD]

screw it, I'm looking for some goverment contracts, anyone got the scoop?

From what I understand most of our elected officials are "for sale" I think if you introduced your friend Benjamin Franklin to them you may get lucky :D

[Jason Fraker]

Aw come on guys. If that lunatic Chuck Barris could work for the CIA, anyone could. You just need to possess a certain "moral ambiguity", and you're in like Flynn!

[jimking]

Aw come on guys. If that lunatic Chuck Barris could work for the CIA, anyone could. You just need to possess a certain "moral ambiguity", and you're in like Flynn!
The CIA loves the Ivy league. Chuck Barris may have went to Yale or Harvard. You can get government contracts in printing and design--Check out GPO's website. (Government Printing Office)

[Jason Fraker]

I really don't think Chuck Barris ever worked for the CIA. Confessions of a Dangerous Mind was the stuff of bad fiction. Read Ebert's review for further 'evidence' of this.
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20030124/REVIEWS/301240302/1023

The guy was too busy hosting bad TV shows to have 'murdered 33 human beings for our government'.