Online Sex Offender Registry slayings

[reuber1]

http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=135572

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The Canadian man who apparently used Maine’s online sex offender registry to hunt and gun down two men represents the very nightmare situation civil libertarians and other critics feared when Bay State officials began posting offenders’ names and faces online, defense attorneys say.

“It’s one thing for people in a neighborhood to know where (an) offender is living,” said Boston defense attorney Charles Rankin. “It’s another thing for that information to be readily accessible via the Internet so that any person can deputize themselves as a vigilante.”

Rankin and other defense lawyers say their clients, some of whom have served time for crimes committed decades ago, fear not only physical attacks, but also harassment, eviction and the loss of their jobs. “For some people, being on the online registry has ruined their lives,” said defense attorney Randolph Gioia.

Sunday night, 20-year-old Stephen Marshall of Cape Breton, Nova Scotia, shot himself on a bus near Boston’s South Station after allegedly killing registered sex offenders Joseph Lewis Gray and William Elliot, in their Maine homes earlier in the day. Investigators yesterday were unsure of any link between Marshall and the men.

The American Civil Liberties Union of Massachusetts and the Committee for Public Counsel Services each sought to block online posting of sex offender information, saying it caused humiliation and put offenders in danger. But state officials defend the online registry as a crucial tool for residents, “especially those with young children,” to know if offenders deemed likely to strike again live near their homes and schools.

David Guarino, spokesman for Attorney General Tom Reilly, whose office successfully urged the state Supreme Judicial Court to allow online photo posting of Level 3 offenders in 2004, called the registry “an important tool to protect our children.”

The Maine online registry was disabled by state officials after the shootings Sunday, but went live again yesterday afternoon.

Canada has a sex offender registry, but information about individuals on the registry is not posted online, and is available only to Canadian law enforcement officials to investigate unsolved crimes.

Conversely, every U.S. state has a sex offender registry, and most post at least some offenders’ information online.

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Hmmmm. It's another step up from simply "name and shame"- I say put a face to him/her too.

[Jeizzavelle]

Ummmmm. I have ONE question. “For some people, being on the online registry has ruined their lives,” said defense attorney Randolph Gioia. What do they think being sexually assulted did to their victim(s)?

[reuber1]

Yes, getting shot to death is what someone deserves for sexual assault. See, everyone on the other side says these guys get what they deserve, and in some instances YES some of these asses deserve what they get in terms of lifelong misery, although jail time is usually supposed to be their payup.

However, what if say a 19 year old is dating a 16 year old, they wind up mackin' it with each other at some point, and say said 16 year old gets pissed off at said 19 year old or the 16 year old parents don't like the guy or whatever, and suddenly this 19 year old who thought he was in a reasonably decent relationship is suddenly slapped as a sex offender and on this registry?

[reuber1]

Hmmmm. It's another step up from simply "name and shame"- I say put a face to him/her too.Wouldn't mean much now, the coward killed himself afterwards.

[Logo-Mechanix]

A small price to pay for preventing even one of these monsters from hurting another child. I wonder how the defense attorney would feel if there was one of these people living next to him and did something to one of his children which could have been prevented if he had only known of this persons past. Lets face it these monsters are so likely to repeat even after going to prison that to not tell people they are living in you neighborhood is like firing a gun in the air eventualy someone will get hurt. If one of these scums ever laid a hand on one of my kids they wouldn't have to worry about some guy from Canada taking care of my business.

[reuber1]

What about potential sex offenders with no previous infractions? People who have never done it but are completely capable of doing so regardless, and therefore are not on the registry? What about them? Post their names too? How would you know? What the hell, let's post everyone's names!

[Drorain]

this is a very interesting thing to consider, when you commit a crime you effectively give up many of your rights as a citizens. Ex-Cons can't obtain a firearms permit, these criminals well, they get their info posted everywhere. Do they have a right to privacy...well I'm not a lawyer so I won't concern myself with the legalities. If I had children around though I would be damn sure I don't want them as neighbors.

[Jeizzavelle]

Usally they are put into catagories. You can find out easy enough if it was statitory rape or a 3 yr. old. These people should be burned at the stake.

I don't think these peopl deserve oxygen, muchless any other 'rights'. They gave up their rights when they decided to harm a child. They are the scum of the earth. Would you want them choosing the president or eyeballing your 10 year old?

[Drorain]

reuber ever read "The Scarlet Letter," alot of people shrug off their behavior and then whine when they get into the consequences of it. In some countries these people would simply be killed for what they've done.

They all have a right to due process, and if they are convicted criminals...well quite simply, you have no rights.

[reuber1]

:rolleyes:

See, this is what happens when I bring up a point; they are ignored, and the argument is spun in a different direction. I'm put off to look like a ****ing idiot in the process. What about the 19 year old dating the 16 year old, who thought he was in love but instead got burned merely because of an age difference (BTW, I've worked alongside some very fine looking younger ladies who act a helluva lot older than they are, "maturity" wise)? What about those who haven't committed a sexual offense yet? This doesn't solve the problem for those people. For all you know, you could be living next to one now.

[reuber1]

OK, I guess the argument is rested then. It is perfectly acceptable to murder two people because they are on online sex offender registries. Vigilatism is perfectly fine.

[Jeizzavelle]

What about potential sex offenders with no previous infractions? People who have never done it but are completely capable of doing so regardless, and therefore are not on the registry? What about them? Post their names too? How would you know? What the hell, let's post everyone's names!
Sorry to double post but I think that is going a bit overboard. I feel like if they commited a crime against a child they deserve the worst they can get. Sorry. Children cannot protect themselves. It is OUR job to protect them and to do that we need to know who the bad guys are. Potential offenders you (unfortunatley) can't do anything about but hope. ( That they keep it together and DON'T do that)
Agree with the right to due process. I was referring to those who have been convicted (it was proven that they DID commit the act) Sorry about that.

[G-Man79]

I believe the registry here in upstate NY actually lists the offenses. This is definitely the way to go. It's one thing to live next to a 19 year old dude who shacked up with a 17 year old. It's a whole different situation if it's some monster who molested young children.

Victims live a lifetime with the memory of what happened to them. If the offender has to live with a lifetime of harassment, so be it.

[reuber1]

Again, so committing a crime against a child warrants murder, according to your logic.

I am not saying that the scum who actually molest children like that deserve any leniancy, though I think that instead of putting them in public they should be keeping them in prison or through some treatment.

BTW, what if someone has been rehabilitated? Or, do they pretty much sign the death sentence the moment they commit one of these? I thought you folks were pro-life?

[Jeizzavelle]

Again, so committing a crime against a child warrants murder, according to your logic.
Do you agree with the death penalty in a murder case? What if the molester killed the child? Would yuou feel differantly?

I don't believe (given the number of repeat offenders) that rehabilitation is possible in this case. These people are sick. Would you want Dahmer, Bundy, Gacey.....to be released if they had been "rehabilitated? Would you bring them a casserole if they moved in next door?

[reuber1]

Why would those be in public, not in prison, if they murdered a child? Life in prison is far worse than the death penalty if you kill a child; just ask the other inmates. Usually they'll enforce their own brand of death penalty, which is much more fun than the typical lethal injection. Nothing like shards of glass mixed in your lunchtime meal.

I don't believe in the death penalty except in a few, absolute instances.

[Drorain]

no it doesn't warrant murder, but this guy could've simply targeted anyone in the phone book too, a list of names..."oh I'll kill him cause he's greek" or something like that. The murderer is the one at fault, completely...but I'm not going to end the registry simply because of this, I think its much better to have the list up.

The serious offenders are more often the repeat offenders anyway...something happens to your kid, it's likely to be someone on that list.

As far as the 19yr old and 16 yr old...no I have no sympathy for them...you broke a law...oh but we "LOVED(release doves and butterflys into the sky)" each other...I really don't give a damn

[Jeizzavelle]

But if you are seenas an 'at risk' inmate they just put you in special housing with all the other sickos so that you can swap stories. Yeah, that's soooo terrible. If only they had to serve life I would be ok with it. Prison isn't a fun place but some DESERVE to be there. There is no reason for someone like that to walkthe streets IMO. ( In My Opinion)

[Drorain]

reubs have you heard about the vermont case, a uy admitted to raping 2 kids for 6 years, and was given 60 days in jail???

something is wrong with the justice system, they think rehab is more important than punishment, in truth you need both

[reuber1]

I don't believe (given the number of repeat offenders) that rehabilitation is possible in this case. These people are sick. Would you want Dahmer, Bundy, Gacey.....to be released if they had been "rehabilitated? Would you bring them a casserole if they moved in next door?Again, my argument is bent and words are shoved in my mouth. :rolleyes:

Those guys are MURDERERS, there is a point where rehabilitation is not warranted or deserved. I'm talking different levels of online sex offenders here, not the doom and gloom creepy guy in the alley, but the ones that ironically get screwed over because their GF is too young. Categorizing them as a different . And also about how the hell is this suicidal coward allowed to enforce martial law on these two victims.

[Jeizzavelle]

I believe that if you commit that heinous of a crime (emotionally/psychologically and possibly physically scaring a CHILD for life and possibly sterilizing them for your own pleasure falls into this category for me) you deserve to spend the rest of your days in a max. security PRISON. No parole or release. EVER. There is no way to rehab. these 'people'. It's not about sex it's about control. They are sick.

I don't agree with the freak who blasted the two molesters. I agree with a list of them so you know who's next door. I agree with tougher penalties for crimes against children. And if you are 19 and in "love" with a 16 year old can you not keep it in your pants till she/he reaches the age of consent? Plus the nice thing about that list is that it tells you which are sickos and wjich are just guilty of horniness.

Oh, and ruining a child's life isn't murder in it's own way? They murdered their childhood. There is no recovering from that kind of trauma. Children can't process that kind of thing. They don't understand and it screws them up totally for a VERY long time. That's not fair and thereis no excuse for not trying to prevent it.

[1ooScreamingTrees]

I hope humanity ceases to exist in my lifetime. It would be exciting to watch us all go down together.

[reuber1]

reubs have you heard about the vermont case, a uy admitted to raping 2 kids for 6 years, and was given 60 days in jail??? Yes, but I suppose I'm sympathizing with him because I'm a liberal, right? I didn't agree with that at all, but I suppose I did, because I'm a liberal, right?

[reuber1]

As far as the 19yr old and 16 yr old...no I have no sympathy for them...you broke a law...oh but we "LOVED(release doves and butterflys into the sky)" each other...I really don't give a damnWow. Just wow.

[balou]

deja vu

[reuber1]

I believe that if you commit that heinous of a crime (emotionally/psychologically and possibly physically scaring a CHILD for life and possibly sterilizing them for your own pleasure falls into this category for me) you deserve to spend the rest of your days in a max. security PRISON. No parole or release. EVER. There is no way to rehab. these 'people'. It's not about sex it's about control. They are sick.I AGREE!!! I totally, f'cking agree!!!

[reuber1]

no it doesn't warrant murder, but this guy could've simply targeted anyone in the phone book too, a list of names..."oh I'll kill him cause he's greek" or something like that. The murderer is the one at fault, completely...but I'm not going to end the registry simply because of this, I think its much better to have the list up. First of all, look at your argument there. Don't you think that these people were killed simply because they were on the online sex offender's registry? If not, then fine, this guy was a wacko. But honestly, the whole pick up a phone book thing and pick a name is far fetched.

[Logo-Mechanix]

Life in prison is far worse than the death penalty if you kill a child; just ask the other inmates.

I don't believe I should have to pay for these SOB's to live out the rest of their lives in prison, in fact I believe lethal injection is even to humane, they should be taken out back and shot like a rabid dog. They deserve no mercy for what they do. Reuber I don't know if you have children but if one of these monsters harmed a niece or a nephew I think you would want them dead not being rehabilitated in prison. Now that being said the 19 year old who sleeps with the 17 year old should be treated differently than the monster who rapes a 5 year old. I would kill that bastard as sure as the day is long.

[G-Man79]

Nothing warrants murder. Even in extreme cases, I've always felt that a lifetime of suffering in a miserable, isolated 6x6 cell would be far worse that having your lights turned out.

[Drorain]

I'm in the minority, but I dont feel bad for the 19yr old and the 16yr old senario

damn keep it in the pants

[Drorain]

Yes, but I suppose I'm sympathizing with him because I'm a liberal, right? I didn't agree with that at all, but I suppose I did, because I'm a liberal, right?

actually now your misinterpeting me, I meant that as a point of these people aren't punished enough.

[reuber1]

I don't believe I should have to pay for these SOB's to live out the rest of their lives in prison, in fact I believe lethal injection is even to humane, they should be taken out back and shot like a rabid dog. They deserve no mercy for what they do. Reuber I don't know if you have children but if one of these monsters harmed a niece or a nephew I think you would want them dead not being rehabilitated in prison. Now that being said the 19 year old who sleeps with the 17 year old should be treated differently than the monster who rapes a 5 year old. I would kill that bastard as sure as the day is long.Doesn't the bible or some such shit say to forgive? First of all, I don't have children, so I suppose my arguments are going to be rendered moot immediately. And if any of these bastards did something severe, I wouldn't want them rehabilitated. My whole point of the post you quoted me on was that the other inmates will probably kill that guy or at least harass the shit out of him so he wishes he were dead; that kind of mental suffering is worse than death. If he goes on death row, how long will he sit there until he is killed? Prisons are prisons, and they ain't going away, but I suppose we can work on some things to keep people out of there to begin with so we don't need more of them and spend our tax dollars for them; that's a different argument altogether.

And everyone who says that prison is a cake-walk, have any of you been to prison? I mean "prison" prison?

[Jeizzavelle]

Nothing warrants murder. Even in extreme cases, I've always felt that a lifetime of suffering in a miserable, isolated 6x6 cell would be far worse that having your lights turned out.
Yup. My initial reaction to hte story was 'Good, one less piece of scum suckin up my air' But when I thought about it I would rather (even if it meant me paying for it) they live out the rest of their days in a cell. Let them rot. At least they're not raping my kids. I have zero lroblem with paying to protect OUR children.
My fiance Jafo spent 20 years in PRISON. I have heard about the diferant 'classes' in there. (classes meaning types of offender and how they are housed/treated) "chesters" are usally together to be 'protected' from the other inmaes cause most of them would be dead in a day. And that's being generous.

[reuber1]

actually now your misinterpeting me, I meant that as a point of these people aren't punished enough.I agree that some of them aren't, and some of them (the 19 year old, though you disagree with it) are punished too severely, if they should be at all. 19 year old and 16 year old, that's a three year age difference. When he's 25, she's 22. Maybe they went to school together, had the same classes, have a lot of shit in common, finish each other's sentences, whatever. I think listing him as a sex offender is too ****ing extreme.

[Drorain]

everyone turns on the religious right, "Doesnt the Bible say..."

well yes the individual is supposed to forgive, this doesn't mean that you escape the consequences of the action. You can forgive someone for murdering a loved one, rape and such, but that doesn't mean the gov't should withhold it's judgement

[reuber1]

everyone turns on the religious right, "Doesnt the Bible say..."

well yes the individual is supposed to forgive, this doesn't mean that you escape the consequences of the action. You can forgive someone for murdering a loved one, rape and such, but that doesn't mean the gov't should withhold it's judgementSo, in this case, the government's judgement is in the form of a canadian man who offs them both and kills himself?

[Logo-Mechanix]

I know prison is no cake walk I'm just saying its cheaper to shoot them than house, feed, cloth and provide medical care to them. As for the death penalty, I live in New Jersey where it's a joke anyway. What your saying is it is okay to torture them for the rest of their lives rather than kill them outright, doesn't that make you a little more sadistic than me? I just want them shot, no torture involved, but it's not a bad idea.

I'm no biblical scholar by any stretch but doesn't it also say an eye for an eye?

[Jeizzavelle]

I edited my above post so I will quot eit in casse you missed it..."My fiance Jafo spent 20 years in PRISON. I have heard about the diferant 'classes' in there. (classes meaning types of offender and how they are housed/treated) "chesters" are usally together to be 'protected' from the other inmaes cause most of them would be dead in a day. And that's being generous."
New post: Seperation of church and state. They don't "forgive" sh...anything. Try not paying your taxes.

[Satchel]

And everyone who says that prison is a cake-walk, have any of you been to prison? I mean "prison" prison?

on that same note have you been to prison to say it isn't a cake walk?

[Jeizzavelle]

Wow...maybe I should post pics of the scarS Jafo has from the 2 times he got stabbed in prison. Or the ear infection he STILL has because of their GREAT medical care. Yeah, cake walk my a$$.

[Drorain]

if that boy was taken into custody reuber I'd want him to be punished to the full extent of the law, I do have a problem with him being an individual administer of justice because these people had been tried through our court system. Perhaps the punishments were to lenient as well, but the flip side is I would advocate for a harsher sentence for serious sex offenders.

now to get back to the 19yr old and 16yr old...I do think its a crime because personally I think 16 yr olds are still children, mentally. and if anyone even touches my sixteen year old when I have kids, I will kick them in the ass and then sue them for statuatory rape...as well as punish my child for the rest of their young life.

[reuber1]

I am not supporting sex offenders.
Just make sure you all get that, since everything seems contrary to the fact and everyone now is on my ****ing case.

Here is a nice little summary for everyone who is assuming I'm sympathizing with all sex offenders out there, which is exactly what is being done here:

Killing those on the sex offender registry: As the article says, vigilantism. Who the hell is this ass hole to kill off those on the registry. The reason these guys were killed was because they were on the registry. For all we know, it could have been my 19 year old guy. What if they ever get the address wrong, BTW? Where will it stop then? Why don't we kill someone who smacks a woman? Why don't we kill someone who leaves the toilet seat up?

In prison because you killed a child or raped a child: See ya'. They deserve torture. Death row still takes time, and chances are they'll be offed by other prisoners when serving a term before they would be offed by being confined to confinement before their execution, thus taking less time to kill them.

Raped/mentally : Prison. MUCH longer terms, so that when they are out we shouldn't have to have a registry. Some arguments have assumed that each offender is a Gaysee or Bundee, when in reality they are not. Some of these people have problems that need to be dealt with, but you guys don't want to see that or hear that.

[Jeizzavelle]

Yes. Teenagers do not have the brains to be having sex. I don't believe them capable of making the educated decisions that need to be involved. (such as protection) I think that if you are 18 or older you are considered an adult, wish to be treated as one so act like one. I don't think they should be treated the same as an offender who victimizees a 3 yr old but they should be punished. What does a guty in college want with some dipstick teenybopper anyhow?

[Satchel]

Wow...maybe I should post pics of the scarS Jafo has from the 2 times he got stabbed in prison. Or the ear infection he STILL has because of their GREAT medical care. Yeah, cake walk my a$$.

Obviously prison isn't a cake walk, I dont think anyone thinks that. But I know people who have been to prison and prison guards... It's not as bad as the movies you watch or tv shows you see. It may be horrible and dangerous but I can show you people who have never been to prison with scars from being stabbed or poor people that have even worse medical care than inmates get!

[reuber1]

now to get back to the 19yr old and 16yr old...I do think its a crime because personally I think 16 yr olds are still children, mentally. and if anyone even touches my sixteen year old when I have kids, I will kick them in the ass and then sue them for statuatory rape...as well as punish my child for the rest of their young life.And like I said before, but it was probably buried in a bevy of replies, some 16 year olds are more mature than a lot of 22 year olds. Age is a number. NOW BEFORE SOMEONE POSTS A REPLY SAYING THAT "AGE 12 IS ONLY A NUMBER LOLZ!!!" KEEP IN MIND I AM AWARE THAT A LINE SHOULD BE DRAWN AND I'M NOT SOME SICK FREAK. 16 is an arbitrary number from the law. Back in the day, there was a girl I used to work with at Target, who was 16 at the time, you wouldn't know it by looking at her because she looks older, but VERY good looking. You wouldn't know it by talking to her, because she definitely had her shit together and was not the stereotypical drama queen. She was dating a 20 year old who was in college. I've seen them together, hung out a couple of times with them, and for some reason I don't get the feeling that she's this helpless little girl with no control over her own actions. I suppose they were "breaking the law." I think it's all more complex than just "HE'S 20, SHE'S 16, BRAND HIM THE SCARLET LETTER"

[Drorain]

part of this is because of the oh so glourious 'free love' mentality of the sixties, now everything is over-sexed. Oh wait...I'm about to get into the religious debate and I guess I shouldn't be going down that road

[reuber1]

What does a guty in college want with some dipstick teenybopper anyhow?Again, a sweeping generalization. This girl was not a dipstick teenybopper. Probably one of the brightest people I've trained at work, and the guy also had his shit together as well. Yeah, they go to parties, but they don't go nuts or aren't stupid.

[Jeizzavelle]

Problems that need dealt with Rueber? I think being sexually attracted to a preschooler is a bit more than a problem. I also think that blowing away a sex offender and ten committing suicide is a bit more than a problem. As far as the Gacey, Bundy argument I see the destruction of a child's psyche as good as killing them. They have to live the rest of their life with what happened to them I think it's fair that a person who has been convicted of this crime should be forced to live the same torture as heir vivtim. Is that so wrong. If you are in the 19/16 yr old situation that is a differant matter entirely. Thecout sees statatory rape differantly.

[Jeizzavelle]

Satchel I didn't mean to jump on you like that. I just hate to see people with the the idea that prison is nice or easy. Stabbings and bad things happen everywhere or this thread would not exist. I am just saying that I know it is not a cake walk for sure and that it is in fact a dangerous place to be. (think about it the place is full of criminals, some with nothing to lose. How do you punish someone spending life in prison? Send them to prison?)


And the teen who is mature thing....there is no trouble if you keep your pants on so what's the big deal? If you are so mature then you don't need sex. I understand your point but that is breaking the law. You need to CYA.

[morea]

ouch, my brain! I need another coffee before my brain can take any of this in.

[Drorain]

generalizations are good in that they help us set up a standard of rules for everyone to follow. Dealing with legalities on a case by case basis would simply take to long...so we say stuff such as dont drink until your 21, no sex until your 18, no driving until your 16. We need a standard measuring stick...and all of society (be it local, state or national) needs to live by it.

[Drorain]

oh and let me just add a note laws can change so can perspectives, so these 'generalizations' I mention are reflective of the society that lvies and accepts them

[Jeizzavelle]

I REALLY don't want you to think I can't see the point about the teen love. I get it. Your last post was very clear but you have to realize that no matter how mature he/she is it's still against the law. Wether you like it or not.

[reuber1]

Problems that need dealt with Rueber? I think being sexually attracted to a preschooler is a bit more than a problem. I also think that blowing away a sex offender and ten committing suicide is a bit more than a problem. As far as the Gacey, Bundy argument I see the destruction of a child's psyche as good as killing them. They have to live the rest of their life with what happened to them I think it's fair that a person who has been convicted of this crime should be forced to live the same torture as heir vivtim. Is that so wrong. If you are in the 19/16 yr old situation that is a differant matter entirely. Thecout sees statatory rape differantly.What more is it than a problem? It's a damn problem!!! The term problem is subjective to some, I say it's a major problem, but still a problem. A childs psyche isn't destroyed, but damaged, and can be repaired. I don't see how killing someone justifies that. Everyone proposes killing them, a permanent payback to a temporary problem. And the court sees stat rape different, but you are still on the registry, and how do we know that those two who were killed weren't on there? I haven't heard the details for those two about this.

[Satchel]

Satchel I didn't mean to jump on you like that. I just hate to see people with the the idea that prison is nice or easy. Stabbings and bad things happen everywhere or this thread would not exist. I am just saying that I know it is not a cake walk for sure and that it is in fact a dangerous place to be. (think about it the place is full of criminals, some with nothing to lose. How do you punish someone spending life in prison? Send them to prison?)

I understand - I know it's not a nice/easy place and I wouldn't ever want to go. I also get the fact about lifers having nothing to lose... But I was just trying to point out that if you haven't been you cant discredit someone else's argument because they have never been...

[Jeizzavelle]

I know the registry we have in Indiana shows who did what. I don't know where the flake got his info. The guy was a nut and I don't agree with killing them. Like I said initial reactio= applause. After 2 seconds of thought= Prison. If ALL registries are not clear or, let's say crime specific, they should be.

[Jeizzavelle]

I understand - I know it's not a nice/easy place and I wouldn't ever want to go. I also get the fact about lifers having nothing to lose... But I was just trying to point out that if you haven't been you cant discredit someone else's argument because they have never been...
I din't mean to come off like that. I get on my broomstick big tim when people (especially on a topic like this) act like prison is a happy place. I know there is suffering everywhere. Besides they don't just throw you in there for not changing your underwear....

[reuber1]

I REALLY don't want you to think I can't see the point about the teen love. I get it. Your last post was very clear but you have to realize that no matter how mature he/she is it's still against the law. Wether you like it or not.I'm pretty much saying that law is bullshit. Who are we to say that those two, if it's mutual, want to mack it together? I don't think it's fair for someone else who simply doesn't think it should happen because "OH MY GOD THE POOR CHILDREN". Besides, is it any wonder why we are such a sexually confused country? And BTW, the term "over-sexed" is subjective. Yes, there are people that go too far (like that guy who thought getting off with a horse was a good idea until the horse got too excited and killed him), but if it's consensual, run of the mill BORING sex, I don't think it's anybody else's damn business but their own. Just because she is young and may or may not be having sex doesn't equate to oversexed.

[Jeizzavelle]

I just think that the law was written to protect our "children" a subjective term because not every 19 yr old is a nice guy and not every 16 yr old is mature. Nobody wants our teens to be taken advantage of by a creep. The bad side of this is the case where two people are condemned because they ARE nice and intelligent (not creepy and dumb). I think there are lot of laws that punish innocent people but they are made to protect. That may not always be the case but there were good intentions (paving the road to hell) behind it. That's why these cases tend to be more lenient than others. I'm not saying it's fair, I'm saying it's the law.

[Logo-Mechanix]

I feel there is far too much people in todays society not taking responsibility for their actions. Its always the same story, its because of someone else I did this or its because I have a disease, or society made me like this. It's freakin' rediculous, I bet if we start giving these scums a short drop with a sudden stop it might actually make a few of them think twice before they do it. Think about it, it's all over in todays society, a kid can't sit still in school we label him with ADD and give them drugs to stop it. When I was a kid your parents straightened you out, and I am not advocating striking your child, my parents never laid a hand on my brother or I, because they didn't have to. We knew when we were in trouble and we knew there would be consequences.

[danedawg99]

wow. it's waay too early for the Crime & Punishment happy hour." Sorry, Roobs, your on your own. :o

[Drorain]

I'm gonna stonewall and say there are absolute truths or laws that need to be followed.

murder is murder
theft is theft
sex before your of age is stat. rape

Until the laws are changed this is the absolute standard everyone is accountable too. If we don't like it we can change it, but remember this is a country also ruled by the majority. We make provisions for the basic rights and liberties of people, but if we want things to be allowed or banned, we elect the people that make those decisions.

For instance...leg trapping was banned in Massachusetts...3 years later guess what...Beaver problems abound now in the rural areas. OOPS who woulda known, but PETA got there way so its all okay right?

[Drorain]

quick pig-pile love fest its time to make up

[Jeizzavelle]

There is alot wrong with today's society. I think the sexualizing of EVERYTHING and the internet (because of the parents who chooose it as a babysitter or other irresponsible actions of hte user) and telivision (what it has become). Ok, I am rambling. The point. The media and the planet have been flooded with images of sex, sexuality and what you should look like (barbie or Ken). It's wrong and it's not helping us to cut down on ANY type of crime. Technology is great but also a major factor in this. But we want to be a free society so that's the price you pay. YOu just have to do the best ou can with your kids. You tell them what you believe and try to instil in them right from wrong and send them on their merry way. All you can really do is have faith in yourself and them that they'll go out in life and DO the right thing.

[Logo-Mechanix]

I vote we all go to Boobie Island for lunch and cocktails.

[Jeizzavelle]

race ya

[balou]

I vote we all go to Boobie Island for lunch and cocktails.

Do they check id's there?

[Logo-Mechanix]

Id's are not required on Boobie Island. Only a great attitude and of course....well the obvious.

[Jeizzavelle]

Do they have to be great too?

[danedawg99]

my boobies are a bit.... hairy... :( can i still come?

[Logo-Mechanix]

Mine too and I'm going, so of course you can come we don't discriminate on Boobie Island.

[EC]

Yes, getting shot to death is what someone deserves for sexual assault. See, everyone on the other side says these guys get what they deserve, and in some instances YES some of these asses deserve what they get in terms of lifelong misery, although jail time is usually supposed to be their payup.

However, what if say a 19 year old is dating a 16 year old, they wind up mackin' it with each other at some point, and say said 16 year old gets pissed off at said 19 year old or the 16 year old parents don't like the guy or whatever, and suddenly this 19 year old who thought he was in a reasonably decent relationship is suddenly slapped as a sex offender and on this registry?

Something along these lines happened to a guy I used to work with, one of the nicest guys I've ever met. He was in jail for five years, missed out on his early 20s. Anyway, when he got out there were challenges for him of course -- but he went on with life with a positive attitude and has done a lot of very good things for himself and the community. It's unfortunate that he's on the sex offender website, but end of the day, he broke the law and he has to suffer the consequences. If you're 19 dating a 16 year old, I guess you have to ask yourself if it's worth this level of risk.

I have a suspicion that the people that are being hunted are not these people. It's probably very purposeful these vigilante attacks.

[Jeizzavelle]

Amen, EC. On my way to Boobie Island. Hair free.

[Drorain]

And while we're looking at the murderer...he know what he did was wrong, he had probably considered suicide before this whole thing. He had no previous record, but essentially went postal. All three of these people were criminals in their own way...and one took care of the other two, then offed himself.

I guess part of what we need to consider is that the criminal mind is not something your everyday person can understand. Some people are simply off the hook. I used to work with a cashier at the old job, he went into the marines, when I asked him why...He simply said he wanted an oppurtunity to kill those who wronged us.

These people are on the fringe of society, but are required to follow the laws as much as we are. They also have some sick twisted sense of justice. To remove the list of names would put more people at risk than to keep them up. They are lucky to have their lives in free society, that doesnt mean its free of conditions. In a perfect world their would be no offenders and no list.

[Jeizzavelle]

YES! Couldn't have said it better!

[D-Frag]

not to be an ass, but you can get put on that list for peeing in public...you know...like in a bush or something. there are too many loopholes in our entire judicial system, not saying anything is justified, but what if you got ticketed for pissing in public (which im sure all of us have done at some point in time) and ended up on that list then got killed for it.

just sayin...

[D-Frag]

oh yeah, and as far as the whole teen dating thing. less then a hundred years ago, it was actually accepted if someone got married at 16 or sometimes younger. my grandma is a prime example.

[Drorain]

I understand that dfrag, it was even okay 50 years ago, but somehow it evolved to 18. I would be all for changing the law, but until it's changed I will respect it. It is also respective of where you live, up in the north its common for people to be 25+ living at home unmarried, social-economic conditions for me are the reason, but down in Georgia the girls are oftentimes married by 20, this is simply the social conditions and their respective state laws.

Consenting age in my state is 16 I believe anyway, but in my mind I wouldnt think of dating anyone under 18

[Jeizzavelle]

The law is the law and if you don't agree with it you have to write your congressman to try to change it. I realize there are huge holes in our justice system but whining about it doesn't change it. Either accept it or make a move. Write your paper, congressman, pope, CIA....I don't know. Run for president. Vote! We do have a say in this country and if you are passionatet enough you CAN change things for the better.

[reuber1]

As much as I like to say that voting helps, my confidence in our voting system is severely shaken.

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I think 16 is an acceptable age limit, lower than that and you're over 18, you're a creep. I don't think it's fair for said individual to get that treatment, and get thrown on a list, branded as a sex offender for the rest of his life. Yeah, I know, "life isn't fair" and "America wasn't built on fairness" and all that other bullshit. Land of the free? Free-er than most, but not completely free.

[Jeizzavelle]

Hey, I didn't say I had all the answers, just that there is stuff you can do to try to change it. I agree about 16, but what if they're 40? That's probably the reason for the law. The sicko guys/gals that want to date their daughter/son's friends. Eww.

Reuber and everyone, let's stop trying to solve the problems of the world and go somewhere for a drink, whadya say?

[Satchel]

It is also respective of where you live, up in the north its common for people to be 25+ living at home unmarried

24, unmarried and live with mommy ;)

[Navian]

Doh!

[D-Frag]

28, unmarried, living with grandma ;)

[Jeizzavelle]

26, engaged and living with fiance, 2 cats and 2 heathens
(was married to get 2 heathens)

[Navian]

Double D'oh!

[Satchel]

Doh!

Yeah I was thinking the same thing - I bet living with my mom hurts my chances with the ladies - Doh!

Edit: But 16 year olds dont mind ;)

[morea]

28, 9 cats. :D

[Jeizzavelle]

Not really. It's not like you're 40. Then it would be weird.

[Logo-Mechanix]

36 married with triplets that are 17 days old, I already forgot what a life is.

[Jeizzavelle]

Oh man, I feel for ya. (he, he) Sorry, that sucks. They'll get better/easier as they get older.

[Navian]

27, married, 0 kids (Except this rascal (http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/3509/nala2eg.jpg)), own a home.

[Jeizzavelle]

Oh, how cute. I own my home, too, it's a camper. rofl. (rolls on floor laughing)

[Drorain]

I could make ya'll really depressed if I shared what the family payed...

[Satchel]

27, married, 0 kids (Except this rascal (http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/3509/nala2eg.jpg)), own a home.

Haha, that picture makes him look like a bobble head... big head small body.

[Jeizzavelle]

I could make ya'll really depressed if I shared what the family payed...
What??:confused:

[Drorain]

basically I'd own a home if it werent so damn expensive

[Jeizzavelle]

Yeah I know the feeling. That's why I own my camper. Bonus: If I don't like my neighbors I MOVE!

[Satchel]

Yeah I know the feeling. That's why I own my camper. Bonus: If I don't like my neighbors I MOVE!

You don't own the land you're parked on? You squatting? I always thought squatters were cool!

[Jeizzavelle]

LMAO! I rent the land I'm on. I have full utilities that way. And so far awesome neighbors. We are planning at least one kegger this summer. And the landlord likes me so I get my way alot more than others!

Gleee! :p I'm cool! I'm DEFINATLEY going to have to stalk you, I mean start stalking you, Satchel. ;)

[Satchel]

LMAO! I rent the land I'm on. I have full utilities that way. And so far awesome neighbors. We are planning at least one kegger this summer. And the landlord likes me so I get my way alot more than others!

Gleee! :p I'm cool! I'm DEFINATLEY going to have to stalk you, I mean start stalking you, Satchel. ;)

Stalk away - little bit of a distance but with that rolling house it should be no problem :D

[Jeizzavelle]

What? Distance??? Like how much distance?? 500 ft? I was going to...Never mind.

[balou]

LOL! Better check the backyard when you get home tonight Satch.

[Jeizzavelle]

If you see a really fat cat, don't think anything of it. Or a little kid with a mohawk being chased by a guy full of tattoos wearing a wifebeater and jeans. He only looks scary....

[balou]

OK, what's a "wifebeater" - I'm picturing Moreas bat.

[Drorain]

the ribbed sleeveless t-shirt often worn by...well...wifebeaters.

it's gotta have stains on it too, grease stains, oh and nothing is worn over it either, this is worn in public

[Jeizzavelle]

White tank top all the trailer park drunks wear to be on Cops.

[Jeizzavelle]

the ribbed sleeveless t-shirt often worn by...well...wifebeaters.

it's gotta have stains on it too, grease stains, oh and nothing is worn over it either, this is worn in public
On the right guy they are sexxxy

[balou]

Ah, I see. I guess I'm glad I didn't know that. ;)

[Jeizzavelle]

It's the official "bad boy' wardrobe

[Satchel]

I wear wifebeaters but I always have a shirt over them... unless it gets REALLY hot!

Hey Jeizz - there's an empty lot across the street from my house, it's pretty close to train tracks but no one else is using it ;)

[ekosix]

Again, so committing a crime against a child warrants murder, according to your logic.



As a father I say, Hell Yes, as unapologetic as I can.

[morea]

shoot, have any of you guys seen another shoe that looks like this one?

https://secure.adbusters.org/orders/sneaker/sneaker.gif

[reuber1]

Remind me never to vote for you if you ever run for president.

I figured this would happen. I'm not a father, so my opinion on other people's lives is not as valuable as those who are, evidently.

[morea]

*digs around under bed looking for other shoe*

[balou]

Here ya go Morea. Didn't know you had two right feet did you?

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[Navian]

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There both pairs of shoes Mo.

[morea]

well then we're still missing one. Come on people, how many feet do cats have? :p

[Satchel]

I know a cat with 3 legs... wait! No, that was a small dog, never mind - still missing one!

[ekosix]

planning on "unswooshing" some sex offenders?

[morea]

lmao! I was actually going to get outdoors and do some gardening. ;)

Thanks Navian. Good eyes. :D

[Drorain]

actually thats quite a solution there...1st offence...chop off their twig and giggle berries.

[TheBluePanda]

Wow, who woulda thought a sex offender thread would be the most lively thread of the day. :D

[reuber1]

actually thats quite a solution there...1st offence...chop off their twig and giggle berries.Now THAT I agree with. Twig ang giggle berries...never heard them called that before.

Not allowed to doodle with your dingaling after that. No more dunkin with the dinky-poo. No more dillying with your dally.

[danedawg99]

1st offence...chop off their twig and giggle berries. that's pretty much my motto. unfortunately, I don't have the power to write laws.

[morea]

lmao @ reuber... yikes, what "colorful" metaphors. :eek:

[reuber1]

All brought to you by the letter "D". :D

[Drorain]

now I'm lmao

[TheBluePanda]

and I'm ready to go home

[Craig B]

This has been a great read ... perhapsa a waste of time, but an interesting way to end the work day.