The real reason why we pay so much for gas

[D-Frag]

well im sure we all saw this one coming, time to start writing to your local representatives in your state and ask them to stop this price guaging on gasoline.

full article HERE (http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/energy/pr/?postId=6133)

NEWS RELEASE
April 18, 2006

CONTACT: Tim Hamilton (360) 495-4941, Jamie Court (310) 392-0522 ext 327, Judy Dugan, ext 305
New Gasoline Study Shows Profits, Not Crude Oil Prices Or Ethanol, Are Driving Pump Price Spike

Santa Monica, CA -- The Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights released a new study today of rising gasoline prices in California that found corporate markups and profiteering are responsible for spring price spikes, not rising crude costs or the national switchover to higher-cost ethanol, as the oil industry claims.

Click here to download and read the study.

Independent petroleum consultant Tim Hamilton analyzed gasoline price increases from January to April to find that:

* Increases in the "spot" market price of crude oil -- which is the highest price a major oil company would pay for crude oil -- accounted for only 12 cents per gallon. California's percentage sales tax increased fuel prices by another four cents per gallon. More than 40 cents of the 60-cent increase in gasoline prices over 3 1/2 months is attributable to increased refinery and marketing profit margins for the oil companies;
* Neither the MTBE phaseout nor the substitution of ethanol is a serious part of the increase. If the MTBE phaseout or ethanol blending specifically increased costs for oil companies in California, other states in the West using conventional unblended gasoline should be much less affected. Yet Washington State, which uses only conventional gasoline and has similar refinery capacity and crude oil sources, mirrored California's increase;
* The profit increase of 42 cents, on top of record profits last year, means California gasoline will cost consumers approximately $546 million more in April 2006 than in April of last year.

"While oil companies continue to blame crude oil prices and ethanol additives for the recent gasoline price spikes in California, the chief cause is increased profiteering by oil companies that have previously posted world record profits," said Hamilton.

"Oil companies are opportunistically using the rising world price for crude oil as an excuse to excessively raise gasoline prices and pump up their profits, even though the spot market price for crude has gone up far more slowly than gasoline prices," said FTCR President Jamie Court. "In addition, the spot price is higher than most oil companies pay, since they either harvest their own crude or pay more stable and often much lower contract prices.

"This study should be a wake-up call for California voters who will vote in November on a ballot initiative to tax windfall profits by oil companies so the state can develop alternatives to the petroleum economy."

[D-Frag]

Just one more post, then im done with this.... Anyone else down for boycotting EXXON completly??

April 14, 2006— Soaring gas prices are squeezing most Americans at the pump, but at least one man isn't complaining.

Last year, Exxon made the biggest profit of any company ever, $36 billion, and its retiring chairman appears to be reaping the benefits.

Exxon is giving Lee Raymond one of the most generous retirement packages in history, nearly $400 million, including pension, stock options and other perks, such as a $1 million consulting deal, two years of home security, personal security, a car and driver, and use of a corporate jet for professional purposes.

Last November, when he was still chairman of Exxon, Raymond told Congress that gas prices were high because of global supply and demand.

"We're all in this together, everywhere in the world," he testified.

Raymond, however, was confronted with caustic complaints about his compensation.

"In 2004, Mr. Raymond, your bonus was over $3.6 million," Sen. Barbara Boxer said.

That was before new corporate documents filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission that revealed Raymond's retirement deal and his $51.1 million paycheck in 2005. That's equivalent to $141,000 a day, nearly $6,000 an hour. It's almost more than five times what the CEO of Chevron made.

"I think it will spark a lot of outrage," said Sarah Anderson, a fellow in the global economy program at the Institute for Policy Studies, an independent think tank. "Clearly much of his high-level pay is due to the high price of gas."

Exxon defends Raymond's compensation, pointing out that during the 12 years he ran the company, Exxon became the largest oil company in the world and that the stock price went up 500 percent.

A company spokesman said the compensation package reflected "a very long and distinguished career."

Some Exxon shareholders are now trying to pass resolutions criticizing the company's executive pay policies. The company is urging other shareholders to vote against those resolutions.

[Drorain]

actually yes I am, someone have the link to who owns what as far as gas stations...some don't have any mid east oil (I'm told), I'd like to know which ones.

[typographics]

i have over 2200 shares of Exxon stock. they are making me a lot of money right now! as far as them marking up the price of gas...thats a load of bull. keep buying exxon :)

[D-Frag]

uh huh, so your telling me these guys "The Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights" are wrong? uh huh....suuuuure

[PrintDriver]

I don't buy Exxon anyway. They are always, and I mean ALWAYS more expensive than the Shells or Mobils right next door. And I mean like .10 to .20 more per gallon in any grade comparison in any city or town I drive through going to work.

[typographics]

uh huh, so your telling me these guys "The Foundation for Taxpayer and Consumer Rights" are wrong? uh huh....suuuuure
its impossible for them to be wrong? i didnt know such agencys exsisted.

[PrintDriver]

it's impossible for everyone to be right.

Anyone see Nova last night (maybe it was a repeat) about the theory that if we didn't have pollution blanketing the planet, global warming would be occurring faster than it is? There was something about a temperature spike in the 3 days following 9/11 when there were no contrails in the sky at all. Interesting theory...
Anyone want to buy some Soylent Green?

[jimking]

I don't buy Exxon anyway. They are always, and I mean ALWAYS more expensive than the Shells or Mobils right next door. And I mean like .10 to .20 more per gallon in any grade comparison in any city or town I drive through going to work.
Same thing here. Exxon is always the highest price. I've stopped buying from them back when the Valdese in Alaska mess happened. When that ship ran ashore all fuel cost went up and Exxon's prices have been the highest sense. Then Exxon was allowed to buy Mobile Oil and they are the second highest. Damn quasi monopoly. If the Bush admin. sits by on this, it will hurt the Republican Party come election day.

[PrintDriver]

Have you seen the bush admin do anything but sit on this. Or that. Or everything else?

[typographics]

the republicans have already hurt themselves...numerous times.

[jimking]

It's looking obvious.

[Drorain]

actually there is a TON of money flowing into the study of ethenol full, many many new plants opening up for the processing of corn into ethenol full

now repubs are in pocket of big oil, and dems are in the pockets of the automotive unions, so you see we're doubley screwed

[Drorain]

also if you do wanna boycott exxon, don't forget they own mobil as well

[Mynock]

Not me.
http://www.bearperkins.com/images/syphon.jpg

[PrintDriver]

That's a wuss's siphon Mynock. Where's the thrill if you can pump it with your thumb and actually see the gas coming at you? LMAO. (That's how I got thru college. Mom and Dad either never caught on or turned a blind eye).

I go where it's cheap. Usually Shell. Or Mike's (a local garage).

We have one gas station in town that's been closed for over a year. Out of towners are always pulling in there cuz the $1.79 price is still up. LOL!

[icekitty37]

I don't buy Exxon anyway. They are always, and I mean ALWAYS more expensive than the Shells or Mobils right next door. And I mean like .10 to .20 more per gallon in any grade comparison in any city or town I drive through going to work.


haha yeah right! all the shells around here are like owned privately by indians who jack it up so much. they are over 3.00 a gallon for unleaded now while most are still 2.80

[danedawg99]

Anyone want to buy some Soylent Green?


http://www.worth1000.com/entries/133500/133955XEgd_w.jpg
SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!! :eek:

[captain spanky]

heh heh you think you guys pay a lot for petrol???????
try running a car in england! roughly 346% tax!!!!!
there's no point boycotting any particular supplier as they all come from pretty much the same companies... they're not stupid.. they've got their fingers in a lot of pies and they're gonna take all your money...
the thing to do if you've got a diesel is to convert your vehicle to run on old cooking oil... (http://www.greasecar.com/) then you can drive pretty much for freeeeeeeee
you can also convert petrol engines to run on homebrewed wine.. although i think i'd rather drink it.. ;)

[PrintDriver]

DaneDawg, you rock. Didn't know if anyone would know that movie. Right up there with Omega Man. LOL!

[Drorain]

Capt. Spanky your right on cost, I heard its equivelent to 6bucks a gallon over in europe. I would love to convert my car, but its not diesel :/

[Jason Fraker]

Two words, baby: Cold Fusion.
Just because they haven't figured it out in the last 50 years doesn't mean they won't ever. Haven't any of you seen Back to the Future 2? We're 9 years away from Mr. Fusion!!!

[mac.FINN]

I heard on the Radio last night that gas in Argentina is 0.16 a gallon! A GALLON! Hell, this morning it was $1.01 a Litre.

On the upside, I don't own a car. So I don't have to move South yet.

[captain spanky]

i've got two... and soon to have three as soon as i can build a garage... mmmmmm dune buggy/financial doom here i come! wooooo! :D

[Drorain]

well if they are going to keep oil, we need to work on making it domestically, but we're worried that the mooses wouldn't have a quiet place to pancake eachother

[TheBluePanda]

I love my SUV but I sure do hate putting $40 in it every week. :(

[Jeizzavelle]

I love my SUV but I sure do hate putting $40 in it every week. :(
I know that feeling. I have a ford explorer and a minivan. I put usally about $40 in each each week and the explorer will be on E when the mini van is at 1/2.:mad:

[reuber1]

Goddamn, $40 a week in an SUV? I do that much in my Lumina. Goddamn commute. Thank god I don't have an SUV.

How much is gas everywhere else? It shot up like 12 cents two days ago here, so it's at $2.79 as of this morning, which for all I know it's probably $2.92/gallon now.

[jimking]

It's about $2.85 here in DC suburbs. I have a SUV and a Cadillac Deville and I'm screwed!

[Drorain]

my little grand am is about 35 to fill, takes me 9-10 days to use that up

[Mynock]

DaneDawg, you rock. Didn't know if anyone would know that movie. Right up there with Omega Man. LOL!Besides it hokeyness that movie is terrible.

[captain spanky]

£45-50 to fill up my campervan and i'f i'm going to a car show, they're all that far away that it takes a tank to get there and a tank back.. :(
in a general week, if i use my camper instead of my polo, it costs me about a tank a week (£45)... if i use my polo.. i can get a week's worth of driving to and from work for about £30...

i reckon if i left my camper running while i filled up.. it would catch the pump up! :lol:

[Drorain]

just for perspective to the american audience...thats 30 pounds is about 54 bucks

[Jeizzavelle]

Holy crap! I hate that there is a differant type of money everywhere. It confuses me so! Thanks for doing the math for me!

[jimking]

What would it be if you removed the tax from it?

[reuber1]

It's nice to see these prices skyrocket, and that fat faced retired CEO get a $400 mil bonus, while most of us normal folks' wages stay at about the same rate as they have been.

[Drorain]

i honestly would love to see our congress crawl up their ass, although I know thats not going to happen. I would love to see Americans (who can) start biking/taking public transit for the summer months as often as they can.

oh well...btw I'm in MAss..paid 2.83 per gal yesterday, this was at some smaller station thats got not much of a presence up here...lukoil or something

[Drorain]

JD Rockefeller once was asked what would you like..."A million dollars" asked the same question after that first million he said "A million more"

Money loves money, I for one fight tooth and nail to move up in society I don't envy these people, but I would like to see a lot more of us struggle less. If I had as much money as they...well lets just say charities and churches that are known to be honest and have full disclosure would be recieving quite a bit of wealth.

Thats why I also admire bill gates he gives a ton

[DivineDesign]

I love my SUV but I sure do hate putting $40 in it every week. :(

I just paid $46 to fill up my 4Runner..and it keeps getting higher..its almost $3/gal here. I can't wait to get my car in a month..gas will be so much cheaper!!!!!
:mad:

[Jeizzavelle]

JD Rockefeller once was asked what would you like..."A million dollars" asked the same question after that first million he said "A million more"
Money loves money, I for one fight tooth and nail to move up in society I don't envy these people, but I would like to see a lot more of us struggle less. If I had as much money as they...well lets just say charities and churches that are known to be honest and have full disclosure would be recieving quite a bit of wealth.
Thats why I also admire bill gates he gives a ton
Well said. I agree that we should try to boycott gasoline but I don't think it will ever be possible. I don't see Americans coming together and agreeing on one thing. Sad but in my opinion, true.

[jimking]

I live in a rat race of a place with only scenic bike paths in the woods. The rest is steel and concrete, a very expensive transit system that's slow. We do have HOV lanes everywhere but here in Washington people work crazy long hours that change all the time so people have problems hooking up with people who are going to share the same hours at work.

[Drorain]

I just paid $46 to fill up my 4Runner..and it keeps getting higher..its almost $3/gal here. I can't wait to get my car in a month..gas will be so much cheaper!!!!!
:mad:

if toyota ever puts hybrid engines into the scions...I might think about one of them

[captain spanky]

What would it be if you removed the tax from it?

if the tax was removed, i think my weekly petrol bill would be around £8 (about $5)... however.. the tax is going towards useful and helpful things so i'm told by my honest and trustworthy politician....





...MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
yeah ok.

[jimking]

if the tax was removed, i think my weekly petrol bill would be around £8 (about $5)... however.. the tax is going towards useful and helpful things so i'm told by my honest and trustworthy politician....





...MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
yeah ok.
I think it's time for you guys to have your very own Boston Tea Party!!!!

[TheBluePanda]

I miss my '92 Geo Metro, which was my first car. That thing got like 50 mpg! And back then, I think it only cost like $13 to fill up, and it lasted for like 3 weeks because my commute was 5 minutes! :eek:

Gas in the Orlando area is currently around $2.90

[captain spanky]

I think it's time for you guys to have your very own Boston Tea Party!!!!

chuck a load of petrol in the sea? :confused:

[Drorain]

nah chuck a few polititians into the sea

[jimking]

You could do that or instead have a good ol' tax revolt.

[Logo-Mechanix]

I paid $2.80 a gallon couple of days ago and I put about $45.00 every 6 days in my pickup truck. I'm not defending exxon by any strecth but in a capitalist a company can basically pay their executives what they want and in most cases charge what they want for their product. It is up to the people buying the product to force them to lower it by going with someone who is less expensive. I read somewhere that while that guy was running the show at Exxon the company made about half a trillion dollars. Do you really want your government telling companies what they can pay their employees? Also I will bet just about every politician regardless of political affiliation owns Exxon stock, so they are all talking out of the their butts. Sort of like the Michael Moore movie where he rips Halliburton, I understand he made a ton of money on their stock.

[balou]

I get so tired of being sucked dry by the greedy bastards all over the world. As long as we all keep doing what we're doing the prices will keep going up. They'll push us to the breaking point. Then we'll all wise up and plan ahead to drive less, ride share, use public transportation, walk, ride bike, NOT drive gas hogging vehicles. Until then we can watch the prices go up and gripe about it all we want but nothing will change until we all change. And not just a few changing, the majority.

[Jeizzavelle]

I get so tired of being sucked dry by the greedy bastards all over the world. As long as we all keep doing what we're doing the prices will keep going up. They'll push us to the breaking point. Then we'll all wise up and plan ahead to drive less, ride share, use public transportation, walk, ride bike, NOT drive gas hogging vehicles. Until then we can watch the prices go up and gripe about it all we want but nothing will change until we all change. And not just a few changing, the majority.
AMEN.

[Logo-Mechanix]

Well said Balou, basically what I was trying to say, I just got a little long winded. It is up to us as the consumer to force these companies to lower their prices that is what competition in industry is about.

[balou]

So when you selling that pickup logo? :D

[reuber1]

I do what I can, short of driving a hybrid; if I could afford one I would own one. It would be nice if I didn't have the 26 mile commute as well, I would love to bike to work.

[Logo-Mechanix]

Never, I love my pick-up. If you mean because of the kids, we will be selling my wifes car in October and getting a minivan. The pick-up comes in real handy owning a home and all and her Chevy Lumina is about 11 years old, my pick-up which has a full size back seat is only about 5 years old.

[balou]

How about ridesharing Reuber? Or moving closer to your work?

[balou]

Never, I love my pick-up. If you mean because of the kids, we will be selling my wifes car in October and getting a minivan. The pick-up comes in real handy owning a home and all and her Chevy Lumina is about 11 years old, my pick-up which has a full size back seat is only about 5 years old.

Sorry logo, but because you and so many others drive these to work everyday, the demand continues. How about a little gas miser for the daily commute?

[balou]

I've heard of neighborhoods getting together and buying a pickup. A friend's cul-de-sac did this. It works out great for them.

[reuber1]

How about ridesharing Reuber? Or moving closer to your work?No one I know has the same schedule as me; folks in Bellevue don't care for those who aren't originally from there (yes, one of THOSE towns). And I've wanted to move closer for a LONG time, but at the moment I can't afford it. As soon as my car is paid off, it's a much better possibility.

[Satchel]

I know a guy with a hybrid, he said they lied about the mpg it gets... still really good, but not as great as they claimed - it's pretty cool though, there is basically a computer in there telling you what is being used and how much - I didn't really understand it, but it was still cool!

[Logo-Mechanix]

I beleive there are many reasons why the demand continues, not just SUV's and trucks although that is part of it. What about the people who build these big mansions when they are only a family of 4. Heating one of these places has got to be part of the problem, I find it hard to beleive also that if we can send a robot to mars to take pictures to send back to earth and gather soil samples why can't we make vehicles that are affordable that run on some sort of alternative fuel. I would buy a motorcycle for the commute, but here in Jersey that is basically a death sentence.

[reuber1]

You need to drive the hybrid like everyone in that one episode of South Park. "THAAAAAAAAAAANKS!!!"

[balou]

What about the people who build these big mansions when they are only a family of 4. Heating one of these places has got to be part of the problem.

Good point. It's not only the fuel in our vehicles but in our homes too. It just goes on & on what we use oil for. My brain hurts.

[Logo-Mechanix]

Mine too. I think we should go back to riding horses, now there is an alternative I would like. I love horse back riding.

Oh and it kills me when these movie stars and rich politicians jump on the conserve band wagon when they own 9 homes which are empty half the time.

[reuber1]

Think how much better shape we'd all be in if we relied less on cars as well.

[Jeizzavelle]

Horses hate me. They love me on the ground cause we see eye to eye (literally) but on their back my legs are too long. I give mixed signals. Logo- You buy the horses, I'll train them.

[reuber1]

So it's official? Horses on booby island?

[Jeizzavelle]

Why not. I could buy a buggy and teach them to pull me around in it.

[Logo-Mechanix]

I wonder if the flatlulence from all the horses would also cause pollution.

[Jeizzavelle]

LOL! I wasn't eventhinking about that...or all the uh, mess. Compost?

[Logo-Mechanix]

At least what the horses leave us can be used for fertilizer...or throwing at your little brother.

[jimking]

A friend of mine works for Ford and he says the batteries in those hybreds last about 3 years depending on how hilly your area is and it cost about $3000 to replace. Plus the batteries are a hazard. As far a competition, I'm all for it except there is less competition now then there used to be. BP bought some oil company and Exxon bought Mobil.

[Logo-Mechanix]

I have beleived for a long time now that these large oil companies are creating a monopoly.

[jimking]

I call them quasi monopolies. Sort of like cable companies except cable companies are local monopolies. It's getting to the point that you'll end up with 3 oil companies to choose from--Larry, Mo and Curly.

[Logo-Mechanix]

If they are actually named Larry, Mo and Curly, I'm going with Curly.

[jimking]

If they are actually named Larry, Mo and Curly, I'm going with Curly.
Good choice. Mo kinda sounds like "Mo Money".

[LeftBrain Artist]

I have beleived for a long time now that these large oil companies are creating a monopoly.

Get right out of town!

They've had Boardwalk and Park place for a while, now the hotels are going up.

Oh well, at least they're not having secret meetings with each other and the president and his administration to fix prices and gouge the consumers. Oh, uuhhh, nevermind.

[Logo-Mechanix]

Beleive me when I tell you, no politician regardless of party affiliation wants to see the demise of the oil companies.

[LeftBrain Artist]

Beleive me when I tell you, no politician regardless of party affiliation wants to see the demise of the oil companies.

You got that right. Slick Willy himself got the Federal Oil and Gas Simplification and Fairness Act passed:

"Finally approved by Congress on the last day of the 1996 session, the law did four things: it placed a seven-year limitation on the auditing of oil company books recording income from drilling on public lands; it turned over many of the auditing responsibilities concerning drilling on federal lands to the states; it permitted the oil companies to sue the federal government to collect interest on "overpayments", and it allowed those very same companies to set the "market price" of the crude oil upon which the royalty payments to the federal government are based.

In reality, the bill legalized a scam the big oil companies had been running for decades, underpaying royalties on crude oil extracted from federal lands, including the Alaskan fields."

[Drorain]

wow...when we discuss prices it's called a violation of anti-trust laws...

[DivineDesign]

...we will be selling my wifes car in October and getting a minivan...

My husband and I refuse to ever drive a minivan....nomatter how many kids we end up with lol
:D

[LeftBrain Artist]

wow...when we discuss prices it's called a violation of anti-trust laws...

I prefer to call it Graphic Design simplification and fairness.

[danedawg99]

Jesus. I weep internally when i fill up my tank every 10 days at $25.00 for an '04 toyota corrolla. I can't imagine an SUX.. er.. V. It hit $2.95/gal here today. I'm gonna ride my bike to work from now on. Even in the 120º heat. I refuse to pay that much for gas. ****ers.

[reuber1]

...I weep internally...Just think, the money you'd save from not spending it on gas you can use to go the hospital and get that checked out. Isn't weeping internally having like tapeworms poop or something?

[danedawg99]

Just think, the money you'd save from not spending it on gas you can use to go the hospital and get that checked out. Isn't weeping internally having like tapeworms poop or something?

not that I'm aware of... but, I haven't been to a doctor since i bought a car.... maybe they ARE linked? :(

[Navian]

Yikes. Just spent 30.00

Gas tank is: 12 gal total

Car: 1999 Ford Contour Sport.
Duration: 1.5 weeks per tank
Filled: 11.25 gal
Cost per gal: 2.59/gal
Total cost: $30.00

:(

I hate getting reamed for this crap.

Damn you Oil companies, Damn you all to hell! :mad:

I even carpool. My wife and I we just have one vehicle. She drops me off at my work on her way to work, and we both dont work too far from home, and then she picks me up and carpool on our way to classes at night. Eventualy we will trade our car in for something more economical.

[LeftBrain Artist]

About 5 years ago I had an hour commute to get to work - I was spending around $200 a month in gas with my 97 Ford Ranger. With prices at their current levels I'd easily be paying over 300 a month (filling up twice a week - gas here is 2.89/ga - $40/tank) - thats more than a car payment!

I really enjoy living 6 blocks from the workplace now. Thats 2 hours back during the day and about 200 dollars a month that I save!

Anyway, I still might pull the engine, knock out the front window and hitch up a team of horses to the Ranger instead. How long do horses live, and how much do they cost?

[Satchel]

How long do horses live, and how much do they cost?

They live about 30 years... and depending on blood line and how trained they are when you get 'em they can be pretty damn cheap (compared to a car)

edit: now that I think about it - a couple of my friends just got two horses given to them... that's really cheap!

[typographics]

i think you could buy a donkey cheaper. kinda like buying a geo.

[LeftBrain Artist]

Check this out:

FEED
Hay (20 lb./day x 365 days = 7300 lb. or 3.65 tons x $120 per ton = $438.00
Grain (4 lb./day x 365 days = 1460 # x .20/lb.) = 292.00

BEDDING
Bedding (1 bag/wk. X $5/bag) = $260.00

VETERINARY SUPPLIES AND CARE
Immunizations = $60.00
Deworming 6 times per year x $10 = $60.00
Dental and Misc. Vet Maintenance = $100.00
Farm call charges = $75.00

FARRIER
Shoeing 6 times at $80 = $480.00
Trimming 3 times at $25 = $75.00

TOTAL $1840.00


Thats a yearly cost - so, that's only $153/month in maintenance and fuel! You can get a cheap nag for around $2000 - their average lifespan is 20-25 years! So, pull your engines and invest in hitches and buggy whips!

[Kool]

They live about 30 years... and depending on blood line and how trained they are when you get 'em they can be pretty damn cheap (compared to a car)

edit: now that I think about it - a couple of my friends just got two horses given to them... that's really cheap!


Yep. The best way to get a horse is to find some guy who was stupid enough to buy one a few years ago. He'll probably just about give the big eating & pooping machine away. :D

[balou]

TOTAL $1840.00 Thats a yearly cost - so, that's only $153/month in maintenance and fuel! You can get a cheap nag for around $2000 - their average lifespan is 20-25 years! So, pull your engines and invest in hitches and buggy whips!

Best part: $0 to oil companies.

[LeftBrain Artist]

Best part: $0 to oil companies.

Unless, the buggy whips are made using plastic, which comes from . . .

[balou]

No no! Leather from Old Bessie. And wooden handles from the woods. Better yet, no whip. Let's be nice to the animals. ;)

[Jeizzavelle]

Maybe you'll get a horse for your birthday Balou!

[reuber1]

USA Gas "Temperature" Map

http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_gastemperaturemap.aspx

[Jeizzavelle]

Holy crap. Mornin Reuber.

[Drorain]

we still on this issue? come now its monday, congress is back, immigration is going to be the big news topic to distract our minds from the gas prices.

so many problems...and the dicks in office are as impotent as Larry King

[reuber1]

Yeah, I figured I'd add the proverbial fuel to the proverbial file.

[Drorain]

actually it's a great link roobs, and they have me pretty pissed off about the gas prices already this is foolish and full of shizt

[reuber1]

I just found this little bit interesting, from the same website.

http://www.gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspx?time=24

This is a nice way to see how you compare to the rest of the country. You can select your state and compare it to others.

Ouch in Canada.

[Drorain]

btw I am thinking of voting against all encumbants on my ballot in nov. cause something needs to change...I'm so annoyed with the current parties, dems have no aligned vision and the repubs are just down right lying.

Lower taxes, better military, controlled immigration...my left nut

I'm paying more out the nose this year, THREE people i know have just been called to active duty, one of them having been local for the last 15 years, and immigration policy...HAHA what policy

[Drorain]

roobs to bad we weren't near neighbors we could go protest all this crap together...haha the crazy right wing nut job and his lefty friend

[reuber1]

roobs to bad we weren't near neighbors we could go protest all this crap together...haha the crazy right wing nut job and his lefty friend
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[Navian]

Gas went up again. Another .5 with in a week. Damn oil companies. burn in hell!

[danedawg99]

yeah, I've been trying not to buy gas, and ride my bike, but I'm on fumes right now. I'm gonna have to crack and get gas... :mad: and it's $3.19 a gallon out here. ****ERS!!!!

[greyghost]

I'm looking for a bike with a basket. I'm selling my Gary Fisher mountain bike - the frame is a little small for me, and now that I hurt my back, it weighs too much for me to be lifting safely (it has the old heavy shock in the rear, and an added shock to the fork, so a tad heavy). Besides, with these mountains, I don't think I'll ever be mountain biking again. It was just more like "trail riding" in Florida, with some obstacles. Not the same thing.

I moved to a small town, and I had been thinking I'd walk to the store and places, but I don't have time for that very often and wind up making one trip all over the place in town instead. So... I think a bike is in order.

Trying to convince hubby to sell my old 1994 Jeep Cherokee 4x4. It has over 210,000 miles on it, and some things have started to go wrong, the insurance on it is DEADLY and it costs over $40 to fill it (only once a month, not driven very much). We still have the old beater truck, and our little Celica, so I just see no reason for the jeep anymore. Jeep IS cheaper to take to the big town for runs to Home Depot... but I wonder if we added the cost of insurance and everything on it, would it cost the same to use the truck? U can put more in the truck too.

Gas here is over $3. I heard it'll go up more, as someone who owns a station in town told me they raised HIS price by $.60 per gallon. Ugh.