It's Playoff time!

[Tyger]

I'll be the first on to say that the Leafs didn't deserve to be in the playoffs this year even if they somehow managed to sneak in. Serves them right!

Anyway, besides Detroit, it looks like this year can be a toss up with these match ups. I've always been a fan of the Red Wings and I'm sure they's love to win one more for Yzerman. With good leadership and veterans like Steve Y, Shannahan, Lidstrom and the great play of Datsyuk, they will be a definite threat.

What do you guys think? Who will go all the way?

If Lundquist can perform and Jagr can keep up his stellar play along with Straka, Prucha, Nylander etc. I think the Rangers can go all the way.

[reuber1]

Go Bulls!!! :p

Sorry, don't watch hockey, and if I did, it would probably be the Blackhawks by default, and well...you know...they suck horribly.

[Eraser Nubbin]

I am going to have to disagree with you Tyger. I am going to have to say Edmonton in seven. This prediction has nothing to do with me analyzing stats, because Detroit is by far the favorite, but what kind of Oilers fan would I be if I predicted a Detroit sweep?

I am hoping that Edmonton gives them a good run for their money, they did stick it to them twice in the regular season... and they have throw some pretty good first rounds series together against Dallas in the past (albeit first round exits).

I was watching the Sportsnet ticker last night at the bar and caught a pretty amusing typo, Datsyuk is apparently going to miss the first game due to a left "thing" injury.

[Tyger]

Yeah he's day to day, but they got more fire power. Detroit's more my sentimentle pick. Playoffs is a whole different scene though and Detroit has alot of experience under their belt. With that being said, It would be nice to see a Canadian Team like Edmonton pull an upset. They have alot of talent with Smyth, Samsanov not to mention the rookie Hemsky. The question is can Roloson deliver?

[Logo-Mechanix]

My wife and I are huge Devil's fans and ice hockey in general I have to say in the west I think Detroit is going to be tough to beat, thats a heck of a team. In the east I have to say Devils, I mean Marty Brodeur with 144 games of playoff experience has to give them an edge at least in goaltending. It's going to be some series against the Rangers though who always play real well against the Devils and have beaten them every time in the playoffs. Ottawa I think will be the real tough to beat in the east, they have alot of weapons. I still believe great goaltending is the greatest advantage a team can have, especially in the playoffs where everything tightens up in the scoring department.

[defjoe]

F#cking Bruins.

this is what happens when you trade all your good players away. Now let's see how that trade panned out. the shark are in hte Playoofs and Joe Thorton is the top scorer for the year. Yeah... great trade asswipes!

Oilers... in the playoffs (though Samsonov hasn't done much... but neither have the chumps the B's got for him).

B's.. last place. they need to be sold cause Jacobs SUCK. I have been saying this for years!

[Logo-Mechanix]

I feel for ya Defjoe, I sat through alot of loosing seasons as a Devils fan before they started winning, although the Bruins are a much older franchise.

[JPnyc]

The rangers suddenly got VERY injured near the end of the season. Starting goalie, 3 starting Dmen (half of them, in other words) 2nd line center, 2nd line wing, all out. Given that many key players out, their late season slide isn't surprising. How they perform in the playoffs depends on their overall health, I'd say. Weekes is a decent backup but he's no top 5 goalie like Lundqvist is.

And having lost most of the 2nd line means teams only have to worry about Jagr, which nullifies him.

[vtwin_gary]

B's.. last place.

well as bad as they suck...my penugins are worse.

RK GP W L OT PTS
15 82 22 46 14 58

the only team in the NHL that suck worse are the blues...but not by much here's there stats
15 82 21 46 15 57

just for comparison the bruins
13 82 29 37 16 74

[vtwin_gary]

the + side is that last years 1st overall draft: Crosby finished with 102 points (39+63) to surpass Mario Lemieux’s 100 points as a rookie in 1984-85
we get the 2nd overall draft this year i wonder what we'll get.

oh & for the first time since 1989, the Pittsburgh Penguins will have a different general manager, anyone looking for a job?

[defjoe]

blues are one point behind the Penquins so they are pretty much equal.

but the Penquins have a bright future with Crosby. Too bad Lemiuex is done. I truly think he is the most amazing player ever. If he wasn't hurt so much the records he could break... scary.

[vtwin_gary]

ohh & i miss Jamir.

[vtwin_gary]

sorry i didn't mean to turn this into a penguin rant.
i'll stop not.

i wish mario could have been healthy with crosby on the ice they could have put on a show.

ok. i'll really stop now.

[Logo-Mechanix]

Hey Jpnyc, Good Luck to ya in the series. Are you going to any of the games?

[mac.FINN]

I have to say for the Redwing Oiler series I'm really hoping Edmonton takes it. I'd love to see an all Canadian Final, and since it's Sens all the way in the East (you'd better believe it!) I'm cheering on Edmonton.

Of course, there's Calgary in the west too, but I'd rather see the Oilers take it. They've got more heart and more spirit.

Back to the East. I'm a huge Ottawa fan and I'm tired of seeing them choke in the playoffs. So, they've got lots of confidence against the Bolts which will get them fired up and no more Patrick "can't handle the pressure" Lalime.

Plus, being in Toronto, I get to jeer at all the Leaf's fans. It's a good year so far :D

ps GO SENS GO!

[Logo-Mechanix]

Jeff Friesen! Sorry mac.FINN I had to say it.

[fyred1]

Red Wings all the way. Best team in the entire NHL and everyone knows it. ;)

[mac.FINN]

Red Wing's will make it to the second round; tops.

And if I'm wrong- feel free to berate and make fun of me in a couple of weeks.

[fyred1]

Edmonton will be 5 games and out. They're not a smart team, they're a rough team.

[Logo-Mechanix]

The great thing about the Hockey playoffs is anything can happen. The regular season seems to mean nothing once the playoffs start. I will be watching the Wings game tonight thats what they are showing in my area as well as another game at 10 o'clock, I don't remember which on e at the moment but I will probobly watch that one as well. I love this time of year.

[fyred1]

I think that the rules changes will make it different this time around; possibly a lot closer to regular season play.

[Logo-Mechanix]

Yeah, I am anxious to see if they call the playoffs the same as the regular season. I have my doubts. Goals seem to always be hard to come by in the playoffs, I just hope there are some close exciting games, A blowout is okay if it's your team doing the blowing out but they get boring after awhile. I will be on the dge of my seat tommorow afternoon for that Devil's Ranger game, I can't wait.

[mac.FINN]

My guess is that they're going to crack down on calling dives. I just hope the ref's don't super tighten they're asses - I hate watching playoffs that stop every 2 minutes for a little hook.

[Logo-Mechanix]

I don't mind stopping all the hooking and grabbing but you have to leave some aspect of hitting in the game, I mean who wants to see nothing but fancy pants skaters racing up and down the ice. I think A big hit can turn a game just the same as a goal, just ask the Flyers and Lindros or how about Wings and Kozlov. I don't think they will let it go back to what it was and it seems that the players have adjusted to the new rules. I havn't seen near as many penalties towards the second half of the season that I did the first half.

[mac.FINN]

True, I just can't stand when they call the little hooks (and I mean the dinky little taps and jabs, not the full blow hooks) but don't call the obvious infractions. I saw a game where the ref missed 2 high sticks but called every hook he could.

[fyred1]

I've seen some HUGE hits this season. I've watched nearly every game. Checking is part of the game, boarding on the other hand... The little tugs that some refs call hooks definitely have to go.

[Logo-Mechanix]

I think those are more dives than hooks and I hate that as well. I mean it almost seems that if you breath on a guy the wrong way even if your breath don't stink they call it. And I never understood calling a guy for hooking and calling the guy he hooked for diving I mean does that make sense to you?

[fyred1]

Only if it's obvious that the hooked player dove. Some dives are just too easy to see, I guess. And then you have the players who seem to have watched and learned from the NBA. Nuff said?

[Logo-Mechanix]

And I hate people who constantly complain to the refs. I don't get to watch as much as I would like but I watch almost all of the local games. I was having withdrawls this time last year.

[mac.FINN]

I bother with Cable, and My team's not the local one... so the only Time I really got to watch any this season was went out, or when the Leafs played the Sens.

So sadly I didn't see as much as I'd like, thank god for internet radio though. :D

[Eraser Nubbin]

Defjoe I feel for you... although I have to say that Samsonoff is a welcome edition to the Oilers. He's just what the doctor ordered, a little skill up front was what they needed, I can't say that the Oilers miss Reasoner all that much. I think Smyth ended up with as many goals as Sakic this year, probably the ugliest 30+ goals this season, but 30+ goals none the less. Let us not speak of Rollie the goalie...

I could see San Jose making some noise this year, again thanks in part to Defjoes Bruins. I would be steaming if my team dealt away players like that.

[Epectasis]

I am sorry to come and rain on your parade guys, but you're all wrong.

Habs will win the cup this year :D

[fyred1]

Go Wings! What a game that was!

How about that Maltby? Nothing all season, then two goals in the first playoff game. HEH!! :D Just wait 'till the other guys start playing! Looking forward to Sunday.

Lets go Red Wings! (thump... thump... thump thump thump)

[JPnyc]

In 2 yrs the Pens will be cup contenders, and for the next 10 yrs + after that. They have some VERY good young talent, and more is coming next yr.

[Logo-Mechanix]

I agree about the pens they are going to be a very good team for quite a few years but I think they are still a couple of years away from a serious playoff run. Just sitting here waiting for the Devils Rangers game at 3 eastern time.

[Epectasis]

I agree about the pens they are going to be a very good team for quite a few years but I think they are still a couple of years away from a serious playoff run. Just sitting here waiting for the Devils Rangers game at 3 eastern time.

well hopefully the rangers take it to you guys :P

did any of you watch the calgary vs anaheim game? man...what a snoozer. i really cant stant the flames type of play...

As for the pens, it all matters about the kind of coach they will have. Therrien might bring them some wins, but i dont see him as the coach of the future. Dont forget, he coached Montreal and got fired mostly for his antics.

Oh and Ovechkin >>>> Crosby :P

[JPnyc]

I said in 2 yrs, so yeah they're not ready yet. And they need to find a coach for the type of talent they have. In other words, NO ONE who has ever coached the NJ Sedatives. They need a coach who can help the kind of talent they have to flourish, not stifle it with boring NZ trapping.

[fyred1]

Trapping is boring but it can be effective against a team without speed. It was proven last night against the Red Wings -- who were pretty much asleep the entire game. Bad passing and slow skating almost lost the game for them. That and one hell of a goalie for Edmonton.

Once the Red Wings wake up a little, they're going to be really tough to beat. They've got some great rookie talent also. The coming seasons are going to be great ones for a lot of the teams. I'm looking forward to it.

[mac.FINN]

Sens and Bolts! What a game - wow! What a goalie for Tampa - he really stepped it up. So did Emery. Go Sens Go baby!

[JPnyc]

The big question for the wings is in goal.

[fyred1]

You must not have seen Manny shut down the three breakaways. He's a really good goalie, IMO. His goals against average is pretty respectable.

[JPnyc]

I don't even remember seeing the wings this yr. The new unbalanced schedule bites. Today is Henbrick Wallqvist's 1st ever NHL playoff game.

[fyred1]

I don't care much for the new schedule either.

[JPnyc]

I mean to see another original 6 team just once or not at all, that's just wrong. I understand they're trying to heighten the divisional rivalries but c'mon it gets BORING playing the same teams all the time.

[Logo-Mechanix]

The games last night that were on here The Wings game and the Predators game were on a channel I don't get, that really bites I wanted to watch the Wings game big time. Then I find out in the paper this morning that it was a double overtime thriller.

[JPnyc]

Well looks like Jagr is hurt so that would pretty much signal the end of the NYR this yr. And our starting goalie coming back after an injury has played 2 somewhat bad games in a row.

[Epectasis]

Well looks like Jagr is hurt so that would pretty much signal the end of the NYR this yr. And our starting goalie coming back after an injury has played 2 somewhat bad games in a row.

i agree. Jagr looked like he was gonna cry in that interview. Without him, NY is lost. And i took him for my PO pool too :(

None of you guys have Center Ice? you can get all the games with that.

Good job to Montreal tonight for blowing out the canes ;)

[Logo-Mechanix]

I'm real happy to see the Devil's won but I am not writing off the Rangers just yet. It ain't over 'till the fat lady sings and she hasn't even gotten out of the dressing room yet. There is alot of hockey left in this series and it is going to be dog fight you can bet on it.

[rickself]

How about that hit on Philly's Umberger by Buffalo's Brian Campbell!!!
Yowza!
:eek:

[JPnyc]

Well NJ won the 1st games of the 94 and 97 playoffs also, and lost both series, so I guess you never know. Also, if Jagr can't go, it just might cause the team to really commit to playing team D, which is what they need to do anyway, with or without Jagr. But him being out might force them to really GET it.

I heard about the hit on Umberger, but I didn't see it.

[Logo-Mechanix]

Thats what I am saying, you never count a team out until it's over. Iv've seen it happen in all sports, the Devil's need to finish them off and not let up until they've won four or they will be in trouble thats for sure.

[Eraser Nubbin]

Is it ok to gripe here or should I start a seperate thread for be-moaning? 4 of Detroits goals thus far have been complete garbage goals.
1. Maltby's shaft-shot off a bad rebound finds the back of the net
2. Overtime winner off Murray's skate between Rollie's legs
3. Rollie decides not to put his skate tight to the post and kicks in a puck that was moving backwards in time
4. Deflection off of Rollie's helmet and onto the waiting stick of Zetterberg

Don't get me wrong, I am tickled pink things are tied up but what the crap! I thought Detroit was some kind of talented team! Edmonton is supposed to be racking up the stuffer goals. I think the longer this series wears on the bigger that Edmonton's small chance will get.

[fyred1]

I'm a Detroit fan and I have to agree with you. Detroit is playing like SH*T! They should be walking all over Edmonton. The goals have been pretty lucky. That's the way the ball rolls sometimes. We'll see what happens...

What's with the predjudiced CBET commentators? You don't hear that kind of rubbish from the Detroit announcers. Everything the Canandian guys had to say about Detroit was negative -- or so it seemed from here.

[mac.FINN]

Alright! All Canadian teams have atleast one point now! Although Sens should have 2, not that they deserve it, they got seriously outclassed last night. I couldn't believe how many passes they gave up. And is it just me or does it always seem like there's too many Tampa Players on the ice... they're everywhere!

[Eraser Nubbin]

What is a CBET commentator? I've noticed that a lot of the networks have been shuffling their announcers around to other stations, bunch of mercenaries.

I am not to surprised that the Detroit-monton serious is deadlocked right now, the series was tight this year. Despite Detroit's obvious surplus of talent the fact that half of their team could have sired most of the Oiler's makes a big difference.

[fyred1]

What is a CBET commentator? The CBC station from Windsor is (or used to be) called CBET. I'm sorry, I believe that I meant to say CBC commentator.

The talent and experience of the Detroit players doesn't seem to be making a difference against the Oilers at this point. Edmonton is a very physical team. Their defense and skating has been good. When you couple that with Detroit not playing well and, seemingly, being afraid of injuries, it adds up to Detroit losing this series.

[Logo-Mechanix]

I'm just hoping the Devil's can go up 2 - 0 tonight on the Rangers. Someone mentioned the hit on Umberger earlier and man did he get hammered tha was worthy of being called a Stevens hit here in Jersey.

[Epectasis]

The CBC station from Windsor is (or used to be) called CBET. I'm sorry, I believe that I meant to say CBC commentator.

The talent and experience of the Detroit players doesn't seem to be making a difference against the Oilers at this point. Edmonton is a very physical team. Their defense and skating has been good. When you couple that with Detroit not playing well and, seemingly, being afraid of injuries, it adds up to Detroit losing this series.

LOL !!

you complain about the CBC? oh my! Surely my friend you are not the only one. The only team the CBC commentators know anything about is the Leafs. So dont take it personally if they seem like they are negative about your team, they are that way about EVERY team. Hell, when they commentate on the games they dont even know the player's names...it goes something like this: "And Detroit's player goes into the corner for the puck but it's Edmonton's #28 that comes out with it"...yeah real pros those guys...

As for the game, well i watched both of them, and i have to say that the problem with Detroit is that it's record for the year isnt an indicative of the kind of team they really are. They are full of old men...who wont be able to keep up eventually. And the fact that Detroit's missing Datsyuk probably hurts them quite a bit as well. It's going to be time for rejuvenation soon enough for that team...I mean guys like: Shanahan, Yzerman, Chelios, Lang, Schneider, Maltby, Lidstrom...okay they did pretty well this season but they are still dinosaurs. And the playoffs are a whole different world. I think they'll run out of gas before they would want to...

But at least they're not playing Calgary. If they would of, i would have to say that they would of had ZERO chance of taking the series. They would of been grinded to death by the most boring team in the league...

TB's D is underated this year because of the fact that they have Graham in net and not Khabibulin. Graham sucks. They beat the sens because the Sens last night didnt skate. They just thought they were the much superior team and kinda only tried fancy pants plays, which obviously didnt pay off in the end. I like it when the sens lose. Brings them back down to earth and shows that they arent invincible.

[mac.FINN]

They beat the sens because the Sens last night didnt skate. They just thought they were the much superior team and kinda only tried fancy pants plays, which obviously didnt pay off in the end. I like it when the sens lose. Brings them back down to earth and shows that they arent invincible.

I hate to see the Sens lose, but you're right. They've had a serious case of Leaf-itis. aka We're better than you so we don't need to try. Lately they've been slacking off. They need to wake up and put in a full 60 minute game! Otherwise they're not going to make it past round 2.

[Eraser Nubbin]

Definately don't take any criticism from CBC anouncers personally. They have little to know interest in western Canadian teams as well as American teams. We get great territory coverage from Sportsnet west all year and then CBC rolls in to cover the playoffs and mucks everything up.

They cut from the double overtime game the other night to catch a first period game, what the crap!!!

As much as I loath to see it I could see Dallas taking the cup this year, hoping they get blown out by the Avs. I am nursing a dream that Calgary and Edmonton will meet in the western final.

My picks for darkhorse cup winners this year would be San Jose in the West and Montreal in the east.

[Epectasis]

My picks for darkhorse cup winners this year would be San Jose in the West and Montreal in the east.

w00t!

although one scary team in the east is Buffalo. Those guys have a great team and awesome goaltending. Ryan Miller is a ninja!

[Logo-Mechanix]

Devil's up 2 games to none and they are looking real good. John Madden, unbelievable with 2 short handed goals and one even for the hat trick. If you watched the game you know the Rangers had chances but Brodeur was awesome in goal, I can't believe people who don't think he is the best goalie in the league I mean that save when he dove across the crease when the game was still close was a jaw dropper. The Devil's have never lost a playoff series after winning the first 2 games and they have done it 9 times.

[Epectasis]

Devil's up 2 games to none and they are looking real good. John Madden, unbelievable with 2 short handed goals and one even for the hat trick. If you watched the game you know the Rangers had chances but Brodeur was awesome in goal, I can't believe people who don't think he is the best goalie in the league I mean that save when he dove across the crease when the game was still close was a jaw dropper. The Devil's have never lost a playoff series after winning the first 2 games and they have done it 9 times.

if the devils face buffalo (which i am praying) it will be one crazy series. personally i hope the devs lose, but the two hottest teams in the east facing off in the playoffs will just be awesome.

but if the lightning beat the sens and if the habs beat the canes, then we're facing buff. and the devils are going to make mince food out of TB....

[Logo-Mechanix]

Honestly, the way they are playing now (and by no means is anything finished here) the only team in the East I can see beating the Devils is the Sens, that is if they can get by the Lightning. Sometimes those first rounds can be tricky, no matter how good a team you are. Playing the Sabres would be a great series though, they have had one hell of a year and seem to be playing real good at the right time, besides I can't stand Philly. I think the one advantage the Devils have over everybody is Brodeur, he is one top notch goalie, there is no denying that.

[mac.FINN]

the only team in the East I can see beating the Devils is the Sens, that is if they can get by the Lightning. Sometimes those first rounds can be tricky, no matter how good a team you are.

I agree Logo, The Devils are hot (no pun intended)! And the Sens are still facing their playoff demons, I think once they find they're stride though they're going to take off again and then - everyone better look out.

[Epectasis]

Honestly, the way they are playing now (and by no means is anything finished here) the only team in the East I can see beating the Devils is the Sens, that is if they can get by the Lightning. Sometimes those first rounds can be tricky, no matter how good a team you are. Playing the Sabres would be a great series though, they have had one hell of a year and seem to be playing real good at the right time, besides I can't stand Philly. I think the one advantage the Devils have over everybody is Brodeur, he is one top notch goalie, there is no denying that.

oh believe me, i know...we didnt beat him a single time this year. although that last game we should of...wished the boys hadnt just collapsed like they did.

but i dunno about the sens bro. see, the habs have played WAY above what the sens have.

If there's one team in the east i KNOW the habs can beat, it's the sens. we cant seem to handle either Buff (with their ninjas) or NJ with brodeur...

But we'll see where things stand by sunday!

i hope the rangers dont just roll over and croak...that wouldnt be fun...

[mac.FINN]

All I can say is that a Habs vs. Sens Eastern Final would be a freakin' dream! Followed of course by a Sens vs. Oiler final; followed by an Ottawa cup!

Although I'll settle for an Ottawa Cup.

[Logo-Mechanix]

i hope the rangers dont just roll over and croak...that wouldnt be fun...

I would love nothing more than to sweep the Rangers Saturday at the Garden. But I ain't counting those chickens just yet, it's a long way from over.

[mac.FINN]

SENS BOLTS Game 3! 8-4 SENS!

Now that was a rough game. Ottawa was definately back on their game tonight. :D

[fyred1]

I've gotta' hand it to the Oilers; they're playing their asses off.

EDIT: And with the help of these BULLSH*T calls, they're going to take this series.

[JPnyc]

The Rangers have nothing left. Lundqvist played 2 lousy games coming off injury, then thrust into his 1st ever cup playoffs. Jagr's hurt, Rucinsky still out, Rucchin's hurting and kasparitis is still out. If they didn't get injured 3 weeks before the end of the yr, they'd be in this. Now they have no chance of beating the st. Louis blues in a 7 game series.

[fyred1]

Another double overtime... That was one heck of a game. I guess my Wings in five statement was wrong. Cheers to the Oilers fans. :)

[Logo-Mechanix]

Don't throw in the towell just yet JP, it ain't over 'till it's over. I agree they have not looked very good in the series but the Devil's still have to win two more. I think Renney made a mistake putting Weeks in, unless the starter is injured switching goalies in a playoff series in only the second game is usually a bad idea. I am curious to see how the Rangers respond at home, I mean the first playoff game at the Garden in 9 years, if they fold tonight it's over for sure.

[JPnyc]

Lundqvist was dreadful in his last 2 starts, that's why the switch. Kid is in his 1st playoff, comes off a long injury, plays one game, gets blown out, and then it's the post season. It wasn't a bad move by Renney.

But the injuries before the playoffs is what really killed them. They limped into the post season, no confidence, not playing near their best and it just carried over.

[Logo-Mechanix]

I don't think game one was all the goalies fault, I mean you give up that many power play chances I don't care if your goalie is Jacques Plant your probobly not going to win the game. I think you have to stick with your number one goalie even if his first ever playoff game is not a good one. I didn't see Weeks make one spectacular save in the second game, he made the saves he should have made for the most part, but in the playoffs you have to make the ones you are supposed to and a few that make everybody say wow. I think the injury to Kasparitus (I don't know if thats the right spelling) hurt as much as Jagr, the Rangers don't seem to have the depth on defense the Devil's do. Colin White went down and the Devil's D didn't miss a step, thats very important this time of year. I also think Ozolinsh had a horrible game, I mean what was he thinking when he tried that pinch that led to the Madden goal, your on the power play and it's early in the game, get back on D and regroup.

[Eraser Nubbin]

Man there have been some heaters over the last couple of days. Two three goal leads blown, although both teams ended up winning in the end.

Anyone acutally make it to work on time after the double overtime?
I thought the Oil were through for sure after giving up their two goal lead. I think they must be the worst team in the league for holding onto a lead.

Don't fret yet fired, I get the feeling that this one is going 7.

[JPnyc]

But it's not just Kasparitis, and it's not just game 1 that Lundy was awful in. He also wasn't himself in the last game of the season either. He played more like Weekes, than himself. Not that weekes is that bad a goalie, but lundy has played like a top 3 NHL goalie all yr, up till recently. The injury and resulting rust hurt him and he didn't have the time to play himself back into top form.

Beyond Kaspar's injury, Malik is hurting as well. He's playing but he had a shoulder injury and reinjured it. Rucchin has a broken bone in his foot, Rucinsky a broken finger from a slash. Tyutin is a rookie playing his 1st NHL season, and was partnered with Kaspar all yr. So without his regular partner, and being a rookie who needs the guidance, the kid has fallen apart. He was the worst player on the ice against the Sens.