Golive Help.....oh...god...help!

[Elrod]

Sorry I have been away.....
Hard Drive crashed and went up in a ball of flame....so I had to get that fixed...then spent a week..getting everything back together...now....
Oh God! ...Golive...this is the first site I have used this program with...I need some advice! If you can help..please give me a clue!

1. Smartobjects: These are great, but is file size an issue....I wanted to make a nav bar...and sliced it up in to buttons...made the roll overs...brought in the Smartobjects...but now...the images won't load to the server. I have the PSD saved in the Web data folder and put the giffs in the image folder in Web content.....it is put in to a folder called filename data. Those are the folders that will not load to the server...I'm I doing something wrong????

2.Does one upload the wed content and web data folders to the site?
It is nice that all these folders are premade for me...but it's confusing.



Please keep in mind..that I really don't know what the hell I'm doing...I'm a graphic designer..not a web designer or code writer..so some of this stuff is very new to me!

[Ryan8720]

I'm not quite sure what you are asking, but I'll try to answer.

You don't use the PSD files on the web. You have to save the slices as GIF, JPG, or PNG.

It sounds like GoLive (which I don't use) is storing the files in it's default folders. The images won't show up on the Web unless the paths in the HTML link to the correct folder on the server.

For instance:

The main page we'll say is named index.html and is the root folder of the server. If you want to link the images in the web folder, which is located in the root folder, you would use the path: web%20data/image_name.gif. Note that the %20 is the character code a space, which most servers don't understand.

How are you uploading the files to the server? FTP? If so, what client are you using?

[Elrod]

Hey..thanks!
I just started using this program...so I'm confused. Yep golive does store images in defult folders..and it's adding in the web%20data thingy...but when I set the account up on yahoo..you can specify...so all my other images are being uploaded with no problems. Golive has a FPT or Web/DAV so that's a snap...
Tonight I was able to play around a bit more...working on a menu with rollovers..got the slices..and figured how to activate them. I'm going to give it another try...I think that those default folders are kinda messing stuff up...I'll post it here...if all goes well....thanks for taking the time....I could use all the help I can get! :D

[Elrod]

oh,,,I'm not using psd....Golive makes them in to giff if you bring in psd (smartobject)..which is a nice feature!

[Noonan]

I'd reccomend trying to give yourself a crash course is basic web design. because, no offense, with the pace your on now it's not going to turn into a very good website.

Try a website like http://www.w3schools.com for some tutorials.

[Elrod]

I'd reccomend trying to give yourself a crash course is basic web design. because, no offense, with the pace your on now it's not going to turn into a very good website.

Try a website like http://www.w3schools.com for some tutorials.

Well...I have taken classes in html...but that was 4 years ago...I had a web design class..but that was 4 years ago..my thing is print...so that's where I'm at.

As far as web Design...already done that:
www.shinders.com
I designed it..but we have a webmaster that takes care of it....my job there is content...images....it's pretty boring..but it's an informational site...so that was easy.

This site is a horror site...lots of rollovers..flash...animated giff...fun stuff..it's just that Golive has all these so called shortcuts..and I want to use them..but it's not as easy as I thought...just trying to find my way around a new program...and I don't know what all of the bright shinny buttons do.
The horror site is a redesign for an exisitng site...a buddy asked me to take on the job...so there is no deadline breathing down my neck...I can take my time and be creative..so I need to have some cool tricks, and that's what has been the big problems....discovered some new tricks last night..so I get to test it yet again!
Thanks for the link...I'll look at that.
Never give up till your dead!


Oh..and how the hell can you say it won't be very good if you haven't even seen it? Are you a Psychic? :eek:

[Elrod]

Are there any Golive people here?????

I need to talk to people in the know....Smartojects....give me the hidden secrets to Smartobjects!!!!!!

[Noonan]

Oh..and how the hell can you say it won't be very good if you haven't even seen it? Are you a Psychic? :eek:


I didn't mean for my previous statement to be an insult what I meant is that it won't be very good because it's being built in GO Live. those kind of programs add extra code that is not needed and clunks up the site and makes the page sizes bigger than needed which slows load time and also decreases search engine optimization.

I'm sure you make wonderful graphics etc but graphics alone are only 1 piece to making a good website. If you have great graphics but your code is clunky and redundant that equals a website that isn't very good.

Again I am not insulting you, just advising that if you're desiging websites you should learn current industry standards and if you don't want to do that you'll have to get used to people not liking your websites.

If you admittedly don't have skills in web design than you shouldn't be upset if someone insults your web design work.

[EC]

I don't know any web designers that use GoLive, it might be why you're not getting great response here.

[chris_bcn]

indeed

to be 100% honest, and I mean no offense, it sounds like you are way out of your league. I would suggest paring the site down to the minimum - no rollovers or anything else like that - just get the site in the basic shape you want.

Once thaqt's done you can start playing around and teaching yourself what you need. just my couple of peenies

[Elrod]

I found them....they live somewhere else...not here! :D

And there is a diffence of opinion....I think golive can do the job...I think I can do the job...and I have learned that sometimes sacarfices have to be made...but this site is to be fun....so if it takes 3 seconds to load...I'm willing to accept that.

golive compared to Dreamweaver is far better...and for us non coders..programs are what we rely on so I'm giving Golive a chance.

I'm also not going in to Web design...it's a favor for a friend....I like paper...and I'm not giving that up....so don't worry your little heads about me taking over the WEB DESIGN WORLD.!!!!! :eek:
I wasn't insulted.....critic is a valuable tool...but it needs to be valid...not outta the air!
You have seen nothing...so where is that all coming from...all I
have posted is questions...but I don't have web desing skills??? I'm outta my league???? did you check out the shinders site...?????
Yeah....I know it's a table format..but yeah..I was there for that...it took some skill. My skills are not strong with GOLIVE...there is that better....it's a new program for me...I can design a web site...no problem...then I hand all the coding work off to the web master...then it get's put into code, following my layout. It's their head ache...I'm off to the next project and he just checks in with me.

No..I like to start with big ideas then work them down in to doable bits..it's the way I work...If you limit your self in the begining...well then your working under limits..and your stuff gets boring cuz those limits are always hanging over your head. Shoot for the sun and land on a cloud!

Ya'll are a little intense!
I'm not fuming...but geezzz...take a moment to think of the first time you asked for help on something new....if you got the responses you offered to me...might you have jumped out the window....yelling...I'm crap...I'm crap!
Thank God there's no windows that I can open here in my little corner office..LOL...just chillout! It's only a website....
Well..once I get it working...with all the bacon and flys and gore...I might show it here..but are you gonna ripe it apart or give me some helpful tips...cuz that's what I'm looking for...HELP...not doom and Gloom!
Elrod :)

[chris_bcn]

Most people who are knowledgeable on web matters on this board have probably never used GoLive which is why you haven't received that much in the way of useful feedback. If you were doing the html and posted that up we could help.

I've never used GoLive, and it sounds like you're falling into the trap a lot of print designers fall into - that is think of HTML pages as a digitised version of a printed page, except you can make things change colour. It's a completely different beast.

Sorry if I upset you, but I still think you should pare it down. KISS is after all still very relevant. Are the extra doodads there to help the end user get the information or beacause you think they look cool? A nice well organsied "basic" site will do you more good.

[chris_bcn]

No..I like to start with big ideas then work them down in to doable bits..it's the way I work...If you limit your self in the begining...well then your working under limits..and your stuff gets boring cuz those limits are always hanging over your head. Shot for the sun and land on a cloud!


For what it's worth:

My process is something like this:


Create the comp in photoshop
Once approved (by me it's my site or the client) I break the design up into it's containers - so I have a 'grey box' layout with all the containers outlined
I build that wireframe in html using borders and bg colours to visually seperate the areas
I break up the comp into graphical assests
I remake any images (rounded boxes for example - they need to be much longer than I think I will need generally)
I start building the images into my wireframe
Once I have all of those in the site looks how I envisioned it in the comp
Now I start add the doodads I need to produce a less static looking page - if I decide doodads are needed
That's wjhat I mean about paring it down. Build the basic site and then worry about any extra bits.

Just my opinion of course - and I'm trying to helpful

[Elrod]

I went through that...I'm to the point where I'm making the navigation menu...that's where the rollovers are...raw bacon turns into cooked bacon..and the flies come buzzing...I've got all 16 pages layed out...I'm still updating some of the images..and flash...but the boss is off in Poland...so when he gets back and sleeps...we'll go over the remaining images...the nav is what was giving me problem...can't post a website if your nav don't work....it's golive and it weird way of naming files....I working thought that now....all of my other images...backround and text showed up...but no way of driving the car from one page to the next!!!!
THIS WEEKEND!!!!!
Than it's a run by the boss...then hopefully he likes it and then he'll be coming to visit in Sept...we'll start wrapping up the final work then
Thanks for the tips...we follow a simular pattern..methodically organized!!!!!

[chris_bcn]

why don't you post up what you want the nav to do and look like, and any HTML you have - then you may get much more useful help

[tZ]

no professional web designer/developer would use golive.

Its kinda like how no professional would use gimp over photoshop.

[EC]

It was clarified that this person is not trying to be a web professional. Sometimes you just need a website, and that's ok.

[Elrod]

It was clarified that this person is not trying to be a web professional. Sometimes you just need a website, and that's ok.


Thanks for understanding....yeah this jumping into another medium...tough cookies man!
I usually work on a team..at least 2-3 people...so some elements of the site...I just don't have that much contact with...I'm doing this one alone..so there is so much to filter on my own...and I can read code...find the areas I need to update...pics and text..but I have never writen code with out someones help...and a big giant book...sometimes the big giant book hides the answers!

So it is OK...I thought so! :D

PS: that's a kicking avatar EC....!

[Elrod]

no professional web designer/developer would use golive.

Its kinda like how no professional would use gimp over photoshop.


I use photoshop...love that program....so I guess...hmmmm?
Not a professional web designer...so I guess I'll use golive!