Would working in a more intellectual/artistic society solve our problems?

[olcvisual]

I think the root of our workplace problems is working in a society that values utilitarianism and money over intellectual and artistic activities. Thoughts?

[plantationfarmer]

my take..
i think limitations is a good thing (when seen in positvely).
everyone can be an artist but not all can be a designer.
artists works for himself and expresses himself.
designers expresses what the client couldnt.
and if the client thinks money is an issue, so be it.
so money over artistic work isnt an issue.
you serve the client and its target audience, not your artistic cravings.

.i think hillman curtis is a great example. (a good one)

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[BuckarooB]

Yeah! Like, well - like he said - like yeah man!

Damn straight! Right?

And when you're right you're right and he's right!

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BB

No Matter Where You Go... There You Are.

[plantationfarmer]

oh one important thingy i forget...

if the client's an ass, kick him at the approproate spot after the project's done.. and youre paid of course.

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[Magnus]

I think the root of our society's evil is that we live in an 'On Demand' culture. You want food? Go to a fast food restaurant. You're sitting at home on your butt and want to watch a movie, there's pay per view. People seldom have to work as much or put effort into things to earn them...if I can even use the term 'earn' anymore. People ask for things, they get it. I find this is the attituded in the print industry. Once you set the pattern by saying 'yes' to a client's demands of having something printed same day, it sets the pace not only for them, but yourself because then you think you can do it for everyone....which is IMPOSSIBLE!!!

Eventually this will cause our society to collapse, which is why I am investing in some good, sharp katanas.

"The function of a warrior is to eliminate an exterior enemy presence. A warrior is an antitoxin, a protector. The warrior does combat where and when necessary and not otherwise. "


- Ambrose Hollingworth Redmoon

[plantationfarmer]

the print industry is seen as a service industry. when youre doing services, customers are always right.
we should see graphic/print works as products and not services.


this may help..

http://www.designobserver.com/archives/000166.html#more

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Post Edited (plantationfarmer) : 7/15/2004 1:29:33 PM GMT

[BuckarooB]

Your points are so well taken.

Life has shifted into what I have come to define as 'computer years'. C-Y is similar in scope to 'dog years'. You've heard that one human year is the equivalent to seven years for a dog. It's a similar concept. As a result the pace of life and expectation has increased approximately seven-fold over the past three decades.

We're no different from those whom we criticize and that is a basic part of our frustration with this societal concept. Haven't you bought something online at eBay or similar venue and gone nuts waiting two whole hours for a response? And delivery! Overnight is not fast enough - We've developed delivery into an instant download. Media has become electric! Our outlook is virtual even to the point of clients (and everybody is somebody's client) treat those who serve them as cardboard cutouts.

You guys are right-on and certainly in this forum preaching to the choir. Many points well made - but remember, we too are expectant clients... gratification has become instantaneous. Anticipation has been boiled down to milliseconds.

It's just in 'their' case they have no souls... void of the creative spirit leeched from people like ourselves.

BB

No Matter Where You Go... There You Are.

[defjoe]

I'm moving to Canada soon so Magnus and i can whip some @ss come the time of this collapse.

Money is the root of everything... it is what drives us. As long as there is money everything else will be compromised.

'I will become the most powerful Jedi ever!'

[uncle carbunkle]

well then, you'd better come to canada defjoe - we've got no money at all.

i got my mojo workin' but it just don't work on you...

[BuckarooB]

Canada seems rich in creative types, though. Who needs money when one can have wit, humor and an enlightened atmosphere?

eh?

BB

No Matter Where You Go... There You Are.

Anyone that want to eat Buck, yes it's really that simple...

[defjoe]

Joe at Walmart buy a

butterfly Effect DVD
some fire ant Killer
2 star Wars Figures
a box on Extra Large Trojans

'How would you like to pay for that sir?'

'Well with my creativity of course'

'I will become the most powerful Jedi ever!'

Then suddenly an idea flares and you start to creativly run out the store with you hands full of merchandise that could have been had for under 40 buck cause after all you where at Walmart...

[Holliday]

lol. I, for one, would like a video of Joe creativly running.

[BuckarooB]

The best beer is stolen beer...

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No Matter Where You Go... There You Are.

[olcvisual]

[quote]

BuckarooB said...
Your points are so well taken.

Life has shifted into what I have come to define as "computer years". C-Y is similar in scope to "dog years". You've heard that one human year is the equivalent to seven years for a dog. It's a similar concept. As a result the pace of life and expectation has increased approximately seven-fold over the past three decades.

We're no different from those whom we criticize and that is a basic part of our frustration with this societal concept. Haven't you bought something online at eBay or similar venue and gone nuts waiting two whole hours for a response? And delivery! Overnight is not fast enough - We've developed delivery into an instant download. Media has become electric! Our outlook is virtual even to the point of clients (and everybody is somebody's client) treat those who serve them as cardboard cutouts.

You guys are right-on and certainly in this forum preaching to the choir. Many points well made - but remember, we too are expectant clients... gratification has become instantaneous. Anticipation has been boiled down to milliseconds.

It's just in "their" case they have no souls... void of the creative spirit leeched from people like ourselves.

BB


Unfortunately most humans are part of the global consumer culture. I'm trying to reduce my participation bit by bit by reading, writing, drawing and ultimately thinking instead of watching tv and playing video games. I also try to think of how every human endeavor can influence my designs but that's hard when employers and/or clients are breathing down my neck.

[Holliday]

No no, BB. The best beer is FREE beer. :)

No you are all wrong, the best beer is consumed beer.

[defjoe]

Beer sucks

'I will become the most powerful Jedi ever!'

[BuckarooB]

Martinis then. Rather have a big 'ol martini than a sandwich...

Both if they're free.

Yeah free beer and bread circuses are the best!

BB

No Matter Where You Go... There You Are.

[plantationfarmer]

martini hingis?

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