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mar1300
11-28-2006, 11:24 PM
After doing some research on XHTML and CSS I just realized how power full these tools are. I can’t believe I did a year in a web developer program and wasn’t exposed to this power. I’ve been checking out some sites and the ones I really love where styled with CSS… AMAZING and so clean….I’m so motivated to learn this properly.
Questions
I want to master XHTML and CSS what do you recommend is the quickest and best way??
And how important is it to know Java scripting and ASP??
thanks!
You might start here:
http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13057
I wouldn't worry about ASP, but I'm not a developer so I could be wrong. Javascript, PHP, mySQL seems to be the preferred arsenal.
ecsyle
11-28-2006, 11:44 PM
ASP is fine. The question is, do you want to be tied to windows servers or not? If not, then look into PHP, Perl, Python, or Ruby :)
Piscosour
11-29-2006, 12:27 AM
ASP is fine. The question is, do you want to be tied to windows servers or not? If not, then look into PHP, Perl, Python, or Ruby :)
You can run ASP with MySql ... and btw ASP.net it's what you need to learn if you decide to learn Microsoft technologie. ASP also run in Apache, Savant, Xitomi servers... etc.
mar1300
11-29-2006, 12:48 AM
what about watching tutorial videos?? good idea? bad idea?
ecsyle
11-29-2006, 01:48 AM
You can run ASP with MySql ... and btw ASP.net it's what you need to learn if you decide to learn Microsoft technologie. ASP also run in Apache, Savant, Xitomi servers... etc.
Right, I wasn't very clear in my post. ASP.net if you want to stick with windows servers. It doesn't run on linux (mono?). It might run on apache but why would you install apache on windows? Jesus even the o'reilly apache reference manual tells you it's a bad idea. However, I will say that I actually enjoyed using C# when I had to.
I don't learn from watching. I learn from doing. I am sure the videos are good for some people, I just dont learn that way.
mar1300
11-29-2006, 02:14 AM
I don't learn from watching. I learn from doing. I am sure the videos are good for some people, I just dont learn that way.
when u say u "learn from doing." do you me you read books, and then apply? or do you know people (friends, family) that can walk you through it and help you along the way??
JPnyc
11-29-2006, 02:59 AM
Take 1 step at a time. Learn the formatting/styling languages 1st. Then tackle the procedural languages, 1 by 1. Javascript would be a good place to start since it's rather easy.
mar1300
11-29-2006, 03:17 AM
Take 1 step at a time. Learn the formatting/styling languages 1st. Then tackle the procedural languages, 1 by 1. Javascript would be a good place to start since it's rather easy.
thanks
I can look at someones XHTML and CSS code and understand it for the most part, but when it comes down to me actually doing it it's a diffrent story. The main problem is postioning the content and getting a handle on things like(float:, position:relative/absolute, margin:, padding:,) things like that.
ecsyle
11-29-2006, 04:06 AM
when u say u "learn from doing." do you me you read books, and then apply? or do you know people (friends, family) that can walk you through it and help you along the way??
I read, look for examples online, and apply it. I can't do that as nice as I'd like by watching videos. I also ask a lot of questions on forums. That alone has helped a lot. I like to get as much explanation as possible.
I think the best way to learn positioning is to go through basic tutorials on building a example web site with positioning applied (float, relative, absolute, fixed).
Then after you start to grasp the concepts building your own fake layout with boxes. Then perhaps adding some filler text.
This book is a good beginner/intermediate CSS/XHTML book with tutorials and such on different positioning. Basically, it teaches you the thoery behind CSS then goes into building a absolute and floated layout. You might want to check it out:
http://www.amazon.com/HTML-Utopia-Designing-Without-Tables/dp/0975240277/sr=8-1/qid=1164784015/ref=pd_bbs_1/105-7282733-5131630?ie=UTF8&s=books
Other then that I would highly recommend learning some javascript. Its just nice to be able to use javascript(unobtrusivly) offcourse to create things that you couldn't normally achieve with CSS or XHTML. Otherwise, your somewhat pinned down by what CSS and HTML offers, which is alot but, at the same time both are quite limited in their capacity incmparision to javascript.
For instance, setInterval and setTimeout make animation possible on the web. This can not be achieved with CSS and HTML only. You can also start to read widths and heights off objects so you can tweak your layout in any browser. There are alot of little and subtle things that you definatly will be gald your learned and took the time to look over.
mar1300
11-29-2006, 12:46 PM
I think the best way to learn positioning is to go through basic tutorials on building a example web site with positioning applied (float, relative, absolute, fixed).
Then after you start to grasp the concepts building your own fake layout with boxes. Then perhaps adding some filler text.
This book is a good beginner/intermediate CSS/XHTML book with tutorials and such on different positioning. Basically, it teaches you the thoery behind CSS then goes into building a absolute and floated layout. You might want to check it out:
http://www.amazon.com/HTML-Utopia-Designing-Without-Tables/dp/0975240277/sr=8-1/qid=1164784015/ref=pd_bbs_1/105-7282733-5131630?ie=UTF8&s=books
Other then that I would highly recommend learning some javascript. Its just nice to be able to use javascript(unobtrusivly) offcourse to create things that you couldn't normally achieve with CSS or XHTML. Otherwise, your somewhat pinned down by what CSS and HTML offers, which is alot but, at the same time both are quite limited in their capacity incmparision to javascript.
For instance, setInterval and setTimeout make animation possible on the web. This can not be achieved with CSS and HTML only. You can also start to read widths and heights off objects so you can tweak your layout in any browser. There are alot of little and subtle things that you definatly will be gald your learned and took the time to look over.
thanks for the tips and advice...i'll check that that book out