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Drorain
11-29-2006, 05:08 PM
I mulling over an idea...dangerous huh :P
Anyway, I am thinking about a site I'd like to create, it'll be a portal of sorts, offering reviews, news, updates on a particular line of gadgetry...also it'll incorportate an E-Store and unique content in order to drive up web hits and click throughs. I'm not doing this as a money making venture, but rather as a hobby, a testing grounds for my own design questions/answers...but I want it to be serious too, because if I find a formula that works...well I can apply that to my clients projects as well.
Sooo, what do you webbies use as CMS, I am familiar and work with only one currently...Wordpress, which isn't to bad.
Anyone else have input on others I should look at and consider
ecsyle
11-29-2006, 05:34 PM
We use wordpress sometimes at work. We have also used Expression Engine. I have also written two for our clients at work. One is a very lightweight system well call "simple cms". Yes, clever, I know. It requires a bit of dirty work, but is pretty veratile. It is aimed at small sites. The other, the "advanced cms", is much more robust, and is aimed at corporate or large sites. They aren't GPL'd however, so I can't post the source for you to look at. The advanced one was based off of textpattern though. I like textpattern a lot. Then again, I usually end up writing my own code for a lot of things, like my mixlife project. It's a CMS, based on the codeignitor framework.
It really depends on what you need from the cms. Check out http://www.opensourcecms.com/
For a full blow system, with everything you could possibly need, maybe look at Joomla.
[edit] ON SHNAP! Looks like the main mambo site has been hacked. Stay away from mambo :D
LOL I just did a joomla site it's kind of a nightmare to customize. The logic isn't very sexy to me, but some people really like it. But, there are security risks with joomla too, I just got an email a few weeks ago about some vulnerability with it.
Otherwise, what ecsyle said.
jlknauff
11-29-2006, 06:03 PM
CMS or blog?
ecsyle
11-29-2006, 06:11 PM
Yep.
chris_bcn
11-29-2006, 08:15 PM
Movable Type!
(gots to represent!)
fiend
12-06-2006, 06:42 AM
I's pretty easy to use, easy to change the look of your site, and there are many support resources on the internet. It's pretty scaled down out of the box, but the plug-ins available won't leave you dissapointed.
I'm currently experimenting with using it as an ecommerce app, but for things like a blog, photo gallery or just using it to be able to update static pages its pretty straight forward.
I had to hack the .htaccess file a little to get it to run with clean urls on my server but thats my only complaint.
My $.02
xplod_ldg
12-06-2006, 09:31 AM
There are a few very complete CMSs. Someone mentioned Joomla. It's good and pretty complete. I could also recomend PHPNuke and Mambo. You will find tons of CMSs at www.opensourcecms.com
ecsyle
12-06-2006, 04:27 PM
There are a few very complete CMSs. Someone mentioned Joomla. It's good and pretty complete. I could also recomend PHPNuke and Mambo. You will find tons of CMSs at www.opensourcecms.com (http://www.opensourcecms.com)
Please do not install PHPNuke. It's like installing a giant neon sign that says "HACK ME, IM EASY" on your server.
Yeah I forgot about textpattern, you might enjoy that dro.
exigent
12-07-2006, 04:12 AM
try http://drupal.org/!
lots of plugins and themes and all free
Drupal is good but this one this one is the best: great cms with no name: tech and gaming site (http://www.adminspy.com) or something like gamespot.com (they both look custom designed and not available commercially but I could be wrong)
xplod_ldg
12-07-2006, 01:44 PM
Please do not install PHPNuke. It's like installing a giant neon sign that says "HACK ME, IM EASY" on your server.
That's true. Same story with Mambo if you don't keep it updated ...
ecsyle
12-07-2006, 05:45 PM
True.
What are the most secure CMSs out there then? Seems like each one is going to **** you in the end.
fiend
12-08-2006, 08:29 AM
True.
What are the most secure CMSs out there then? Seems like each one is going to **** you in the end.
My guess... The one's that cost $$$$$. And are not open source.
xplod_ldg
12-08-2006, 11:10 AM
My guess... The one's that cost $$$$$. And are not open source.
Probably that's the answer.
exactly. that is why I recommend a commercial product 100% of the time. And it's not really $$$$$, it's more like $. ;)
Drazan
12-08-2006, 06:28 PM
Whether you buy a CMS or use an opensource one the primary thing is that you WILL have to update it. There's no application out there that has never had a security exploit.
Story of phpNuke family, which I was a part of some time ago.
PhpNuke was created by one person and is still controlled by that one person. I don't believe that one person can keep the applicaton secure and it's been proven that phpNuke is really the bottom of CMS. However the phpNuke is released under the GPL license which means that anyone can takethe code an improve upon it.
And many have. There's been a slew of *Nuke family apps and most of them have the same fate of being hacked as the original nuke.
PostNuke was a fork from the original phpNuke and about a year into the project the core developers redesigned it from the ground up using influenced code from slash dot (/.). This created a far more secure application, and although I think the rebuild really moved it away from the Nuke family it still retained the postNuke name due to it's following.
Mambo also came into being during this time as an alternative CMS to the Nuke family. The problem was that it did not have the following and the interest of developers and even played around with it becoming commercial to help pay for itself. As of yet it is still free. It has been toted as a good CMS application, but you will still need to watch the updates on this one.
Xoops, like mambo was created to fill a niche outside of the Nuke family. Independantly built by core developers it has definitely paid it's dues to become one of the top performing Opensource CMS out there. Xoops developers work with other applications to incorporate them into it's structure seemlessly.
Joomla is the newkid and has definitely got some good starter code. The core developers are tight with whats needed to create good, solid code. When an exploit is found they are right on top of it to get the patches released. Being new however you may not find all the modules you need.
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Your clients needs should be the driving factor of what's needed for a CMS not just price.
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On the flip side if you truly do run with the fortune 500 then you may want to work with Vingette.
http://www.vignette.com/
A worldwide leader in content systems for top companies. Base price for this is six figures.
Depending on the client they can pay for building a custom application, go with a free one or integrate a paid solution to their business module. Any way that is chosen will always need updates, some more than others.
=)
Jade
fiend
12-08-2006, 09:02 PM
I loved reading the post where you were trying to explain to Deviled Egg how to set up a webserver with Windows XP.
After reading it, I think I could do it.
Can I get your Phone #? ;)
Drazan
12-08-2006, 09:49 PM
Thank you!
and I think I just got flirted with. ;)
No phone here actually. Haven't had a land line since 98 and no cell since June. Not missing it a bit.
I have been a part of the Opensource community for about 6 years and have developed the skinning system for Gallery 1. I used to do document writing for the phpNuke community and had those documents merged with spahgetti brain. I've run a web business since 1998 and currently run a small hosting service with one main admin and one part time guru when we get stuck. And currently work for a graphic and marketing company.
Somewhere along the line I've gathered bits of things people find useful. :D
<< back to your regular scheduled cms discussion >>
Jade
ecsyle
12-08-2006, 10:07 PM
I found xoops to be a rather poor and buggy cms. This was 4 years ago though, and I am sure they have cleaned it up since then.
Joomla is Mambo, but seems to be much more stable and well cared for.
They are too all encompsassing for my tastes. I want something smaller and focused on exactly what I need. This is why I write my own code (for the most part).
I hate, and I mean hate, joomla. It makes me http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/102.gif
That is all.