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mhtahir
12-07-2006, 01:19 PM
is there any site for free logo PSD and EPS files(mean vector base file)
marilynr
12-07-2006, 01:35 PM
Have you tried:
www.brandsoftheworld.com ?
No PSDs that I know of there but mostly everything up is EPS. I've found tons of logos there for various projects.
peder
12-07-2006, 01:48 PM
Well, I don't think the logos at BrandsoftheWorld.com are meant as resources, but rather studying for learning. Ooor, something like that.
marilynr
12-07-2006, 01:55 PM
Well, I don't think the logos at BrandsoftheWorld.com are meant as resources, but rather studying for learning. Ooor, something like that.
Well...
If they weren't going to be used one would imagine that you wouldn't go through the trouble of posting a vector file that can be downloaded, edited and scaled. I'm sure they state they are or "research" or whatever for legal reasons. I can use a book for study and research. Know what I mean?
Whatever. Just trying to help the original poster out. I'll go back to lurking now.
peder
12-07-2006, 02:00 PM
"Brands of the World is World's one of the most visited web sites intended for browsing and exchange of the World's famous brand-logos. The primary use of site is to enable designers to access vector-forms of the well-known brand-logos that they can use in their presentations, given the permission of the copyright owner. The web site also enables designers to upload their own works and professional details."
They're there for being used, but not in any way. But hey, maybe this was what the original poster was looking for, although I do doubt it.
marilynr
12-07-2006, 02:13 PM
They're there for being used, but not in any way. But hey, maybe this was what the original poster was looking for, although I do doubt it.
Well, we don't know what the original poster's intent is. That would be up to him to reveal...or not. I doubt it's to study. If you're a working designer and not a student and you need a logo, it's probably for a project or something for a client.
Not sure what you mean by "They're there for being used, but not in any way." That's a contradiction in terms. :) Again, I'm sure the disclaimer posted is for legal protection. You'd have to be a fool to think that people aren't using that resource for whatever reason they want.
I mean, realistically...why spend 2 hours redrawing a logo that's "common" when it takes you a minute to look it up there and download it? I don't know, but in a business where time is absolutely money...if a resource is there, I'm using it. Not to mention that many times the logos I am seeking are for companies of which my client is an authorized dealer or partner (like Cingular, or something like that) thus granting them the right to use the logo anyway.
peder
12-07-2006, 03:17 PM
By "They're there for being used, but not in any way" I mean that the logos are there for being used for certain things, but not in the same way as free vector shapes would.
Yes, their disclaimer protects them legally, but not people who mis-use the logos. And yes, you'd have to be a fool to think that people aren't using the logos for other stuff, and yes, it's a waste to redraw a logo when you can get it in .eps there.
PrintDriver
12-07-2006, 05:38 PM
Technically you should receive all logos and accompanying Standards from your client.
Redrawing logos, escpecially 'big company' logos is a no-no. Sometimes you have to use resources when time is short and the client can't come through with a sponsor logo in proper format but you should exhaust all other possibilities before resorting to a redraw. PDF search is a good trick too.
The things you have to be careful of using BOTW are:
1. Do you have permission from the owner of the logo to be using the logo?
2. Is the logo you are downloading drawn correctly? (someone else's trace is just as bad as using your own.)
3. Once you have it, are you using it in proper Standard form? ie, are the PMS colors current or even correct and do you know the negative space standards for use?
marilynr
12-07-2006, 05:53 PM
Technically you should receive all logos and accompanying Standards from your client.
True. And in a perfect world, they would, but..we all know that many times they don't. They provide you a 72 dpi GIF from a web site. You let them know that it's going to look bad...they tell you to use it anyway...then they complain to you when it looks bad. After being a working designer for over 9 years, I've learned this lesson the hard way.
Redrawing logos, escpecially 'big company' logos is a no-no. Sometimes you have to use resources when time is short and the client can't come through with a sponsor logo in proper format but you should exhaust all other possibilities before resorting to a redraw. PDF search is a good trick too.
Agree with you 100% on this also.
The things you have to be careful of using BOTW are:
1. Do you have permission from the owner of the logo to be using the logo?
2. Is the logo you are downloading drawn correctly? (someone else's trace is just as bad as using your own.)
3. Once you have it, are you using it in proper Standard form? ie, are the PMS colors current or even correct and do you know the negative space standards for use?
All good points as well. And again, most of the times I've used it has been in cases where a client is an authorized dealer or reseller for the product/service. I'm very sensitive to other people's intellectual property. On the same token, having something look correct is part of your responsibility as a designer.
Anyway, in bringing up this site in the first place, I was simply pointing out that it's a resource that's available which not a whole lot of people know about.
True. And in a perfect world, they would, but..we all know that many times they don't. They provide you a 72 dpi GIF from a web site .... it has been in cases where a client is an authorized dealer or reseller for the product/service
So true. I use brands of the world all the time because it is almost impossible to locate someone who can get you decent artwork. If you are doing work for GM it's relativity easy to get the logos and standards for use of the GM logo. If you are making business cards for Joe Schmoe the salesman at the local dealership you can waste hours on the phone dealing with multiple people at the dealership trying to get the art you need or use 10 seconds to download it from sites like brands of the world.
Not having to deal with people who have no idea what you are talking about is a real time and sanity saver. Screw the possible legal ramifications.
marilynr
12-07-2006, 06:53 PM
MD: I know what you mean. :) Most people haven’t a clue what the requirements are for artwork to look good in print. (Heck, I’ve even met people who call themselves “designers” who will send jobs to print at the company I work for using 72 dpi JPGs.)
You stick with this line of work long enough and you soon discover that the “garbage art in, garbage art out” rule can sometimes be very difficult for the average person to wrap their brain around. I’ve spent countless hours trying to explain to someone why we can’t use a logo or a photo off a web site only to get hit with: “So just go ahead and take the pictures off the web site” “Can’t you make the logo bigger? It looks big on my computer!” and other similar comments. I too have had to deal with doing design work for people who don’t have a clue where to find a corporate logo for the company they work for. Let alone trying to explain RGB vs. CMYK or bleeds or anything else more “complicated”.
That’s how I found out about the site in the first place. I know lots of designers who use it for these same reasons. Absolutely nothing wrong with using a logo from there as long as you aren’t violating someone’s copyright.
budafist
12-07-2006, 09:02 PM
I use brands of the world all the time - often we need logos for sponsors. I don't think that is breaching copyright, but maybe it is. Just say a company is sponsoring the printing or an event for something. Client will provide me with a low res jpeg that they swiped off the internet. I'll look up brands of the world to see if they've got and eps on there and use that instead.
Is that violation?
marilynr
12-07-2006, 10:27 PM
I use brands of the world all the time - often we need logos for sponsors. I don't think that is breaching copyright, but maybe it is. Just say a company is sponsoring the printing or an event for something. Client will provide me with a low res jpeg that they swiped off the internet. I'll look up brands of the world to see if they've got and eps on there and use that instead.
Is that violation?
I'd say a firm no. If the company is sponsoring something then they are allowing you to use their name most of the time (unless they specify that they don't want it used) In fact, sponsorship = money in most cases...and if I'm paying to sponsor, then I WANT my logo on there. :)
A client giving you a logo they swiped off the internet is NOT any different than you obtaining one yourself, really. Except that you as the designer know what criteria you are looking for on a usable file. As long as the client has permission to use that logo, no worries. As a couple of us stated before, clients generally have no clue what is needed.
If you think of it this way...you're a client. Your logo is going on something. Do you want it to look like poo, or do you want it to be crisp and clean so there's no confusion about who you are? Right. Thought so. :)
Anybody who really thinks that you are going to get perfect files to work with everytime is living in an unrealistic world. Any time I've ever gotten files from a client for a job where they have been exactly what I needed...it was usually from a person who is capable of doing the work themselves or from a client's ad agency. And even then...you'd be surprised what some people will give you and expect to work! :eek:
urstwile
12-08-2006, 03:21 AM
Been there, done that to all of the above comments:
Me to Account Service: Okay, we either need a vector version of the logo or a higher resolution file than what you e-mailed me.
Account Service person: What file format?
Me (sigh): EPS, or layered Photoshop file.
Account Service person: Okay, I'll see what I can do.
Later that week (day before deadline for print):
Account Service: I found this on their website, is this good enough?
Me: No.
Account Service: Why not?
Me (and this is my new tactic these days): Do you really want me to explain to you why as your eyes glaze over with incomprehension, or can you just speak to someone who can get me a better quality logo?
Account Service: Um, okay.
Me: www.brandsoftheworld.com
:D
PrintDriver
12-08-2006, 11:29 AM
What I ask for: An Illustrator eps file.
What I get: A gif placed in Illustrator and saved as an eps.
tanbin
11-08-2007, 11:56 PM
Have you tried:
www.brandsoftheworld.com (http://www.brandsoftheworld.com) ?
No PSDs that I know of there but mostly everything up is EPS. I've found tons of logos there for various projects.
i'm new to here... and goot some very usefull tips and links already... ur link is another 1... tnx a lot friend....:)
BJMRGTIVR6
11-09-2007, 07:11 PM
What I ask for: An Illustrator eps file.
What I get: A gif placed in Illustrator and saved as an eps.
those are great!!
i remember even asking for a high res jpeg/tiff or PSD and i get the same internet file "enlarged" and it still includes the craptastic image next to it or the background.
I use BOTW because it is easier than asking the hotel manager's to get the correct logo to use.
Danger_Mouse
11-09-2007, 07:44 PM
I've used brands of the world quite a bit in the past. Watch what you use though, some of those babies were not very well drawn. but for the most part all is good. What you lack though are proper PMS numbers in the files, so colorwise I would also be wary.
BJMRGTIVR6
11-09-2007, 08:03 PM
Good point on the colors. I use it mainly for 1-color promotional items that cannot get color-matched and are usually printed in either black or white.
It is funny when the have several of one logo and you look at them all and see how some are very badly traced/drawn.
I ws just using brandsoftheworld today and look what i came across.
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a78/milwaukeedesigner/nari.jpg
Above logo is trademarks of its respective owner, and it is offered as a convenience for its lawful use only, with proper permission from the copyright or trademark holder. Downloading files from this site does NOT give you authorization or permission to use the copyrighted logo without the specific consent of the copyright or trademark holder. Before you use, reproduce or distribute in any manner any logo found on this site, you must first receive the express permission of the holder of the copyright or trademark of that logo. Failure to obtain such permission is a violation under international law.
GraphixNPrint
11-09-2007, 09:11 PM
Sounds like a standard disclosure /reminder to me. First, you should be working for the company or an affiliate before you would want to use the logo, and they should have given you permission to use it. So BOTW is just trying to protect thier ass.
BJMRGTIVR6
11-09-2007, 09:42 PM
exactly.
fredrich
11-12-2007, 01:55 AM
If the company is somewhat large and have a logo they care about, you can as mentioned search for a .pdf either on their website or on Google (I prefer annual reports, which often contain the company logo in vector).
longboy
11-12-2007, 10:57 PM
If the company is somewhat large and have a logo they care about, you can as mentioned search for a .pdf either on their website or on Google (I prefer annual reports, which often contain the company logo in vector).
x2 on what fredrich just said. Google just like this:
PDF site:companyabc.com
I rounded up 7 logos today for an internal thing at work. All were CMYK and in vector format in the PDFs. And you know they weren't redrawn, these are from the agency/in-house designers that the company uses.
Yes, excellent advice, longboy. I never did get the hang of those Google search strings...
BJMRGTIVR6
11-12-2007, 11:04 PM
I usually try and do a PDF search as well sometimes.
nice to see the string to use too.