Why are macs better for graphic design?

[Fieldmouse]

Hey Im brand-spankin new to this forum. I tried searching but couldnt get any results.If you know of a previous postthat answers my question, just post the link.Anyway, I was just wondering why graphic designers, illustrators,animators, etc. prefer mac over pc.

Thanks
FM

It's just a standard but PC's can be just as good the thing is there not as cool unless you get a new Sony Vio or something.

[beanz]

I've never used a Mac, but from what i hear, it's all down to the speed they process the work. PC's, especially windows based, are so clogged down with their operating systems that they take longer to process the tasks!?! I'm sure there's a more advanced explanation out there, but that's the best i can do for ya...

Welcome to the forums too btw! ;)

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[EV]

My opinion is that it is because PCs were always touted to be superior for business. Also because Macs had better video quality, color control, and double the system bus. Not to mention a superior graphics engine. PCs were good for typing a corporate memo on, but not much more.

These days, PCs have encrouched on the Graphic Design field with higher powered Graphics cards, better processors, and people that prefer to use them because it is what they are used to. Mind you, when I say 'higher powered' and 'better', I am not insinuating that they are better than what is in a Mac, I am insinuating that they are 'Higher powered' and 'better' than the PC predecessor.

I still feel Macs are superior to PCs in almost every sense of the word because they are not stamped out on an assembly line in Indonesia, or China, Taiwan, Philippines, Mexico, or Japan. Not to shoot down those countries, but let's be real here, the only reason the systems are being built there is for cheap labor, cheaper elements, and piss-poor quality control.

Also Macs run the Mac OS and not Windows... which in my opinion is the bastid child of the oldest form of the Mac OS. Windows has always been, and will always be second to the Mac OS. As this is because Microsoft uses Apple as a sounding board and proving ground for all forms of computer-based technology... so do all of the PC manufacturers. Look at the proof, almost every-single advancement in the personal computer industry was conceptually derived, planned out, and eventually built by Apple. Then, the PC world bashes it, belittles it, and then ultimately... copies it.

This is not to say that I, as a designer, despise PCs (or even Windows)... I just think that those who toute that their PC is superior need to not only do their research as to why their PC is only $499.00 at Comp USA or Circuit City, but also actually open their mind and with a clean slate actually try to use a Mac.

Most of the Apple bashers out there have not even touched a Mac... yet they have a very firm and solid position that Macs suck. How? Becuase they are lemmings and fools that listen to the pimply-faced tool at Best Buy who doesn't know his a$$ from a hole in the ground.

I learned on Windows first in college. And while learning, I told myself, 'There has to be something better.' So before I ever even touched a Mac, I knew that was what I would ultimately purchase and use in my career. I was right.

But, I currently work on both platforms on a daily basis, and what I cannot get done on the PC (which is just about everything) I do on the Mac and port it over to be used by those who are not yet enlightened to a better world.

Now, I know I have pissed some of you off... but please take what I have said as my opinion only.

Peace.

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www.graphicdesignforum.com/default.aspx?f=35&p=1&m=55587 (http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/default.aspx?f=35&p=1&m=55587)
www.graphicdesignforum.com/default.aspx?f=34&m=55494&g=55535#m55535 (http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/default.aspx?f=34&m=55494&g=55535#m55535)
www.graphicdesignforum.com/default.aspx?f=8&m=42154&g=42187#m42187 (http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/default.aspx?f=8&m=42154&g=42187#m42187)
www.graphicdesignforum.com/default.aspx?f=8&m=41919&g=41925#m4192 (http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/default.aspx?f=8&m=41919&g=41925#m4192)

And Allen, why can't I search the entire year? When I select search for entire year I get only as far back as May this year??? If I could find the rest of these PC posts, I make a friggin sticky in resources. My topic beating stick is all wore out on this one.

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[Silence04]

yeah, doesnt this question get asked at least once a month????

btw, VERY well put EV....


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Post Edited (Silence04) : 8/4/2004 4:20:54 PM GMT

[Magnus]

'Give me a map, a stopwatch, and a plane with no windows, and I'll fly through the alps' - Navigator from the Soviet Typhoon class submarine Red October.

Point is, it doesn't matter what platform you work on, it's what you do with it that counts. If you are working from your home, I'd suggest a PC simply because you may also be interested in other things that a PC may catter to.

"...you should show only one design because that is what your paied to do....your not paied to let the client himself pick out which designs he likes best..."

- Zartan the Wise

[snypa]

i was with magnus up till the point where he suggested a peecee, even though he's right
i think the best are those who can work cross-platform and dont get caught up in all this 'which is better'
btw, welcome to the forum!

I'm not a real graphic designer, but I do play one on tv

[D-Zine]

*sigh* this is getting old...FAST

Welcome Fieldmouse! :o)

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[M_]

Magnus said...
"Give me a map, a stopwatch, and a plane with no windows, and I'll fly through the alps" - Navigator from the Soviet Typhoon class submarine Red October.

Point is, it doesn't matter what platform you work on, it's what you do with it that counts. If you are working from your home, I'd suggest a PC simply because you may also be interested in other things that a PC may catter to.


most agreed. Today PC and MACS are quite even when it comes to graphic loads and decided which one is "faster" when handling software, graphics. ... etc.

it's not what you work with , it's what you do with what you work with ..... i think .. heh

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Post Edited (Cuda) : 8/4/2004 9:11:31 PM GMT

[Fieldmouse]

Wow, I knew this was a popular topic, but I didnt know it has already been beaten to death. Thanks for the replys.

Peace.

[Mickey]

Yes, it is all about what you like and what works best for you.

I like Macs and Macs work best for me!

Plus I would never be caught dead using a PC, THEY ALL SUCK crap! LOL JK

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[Mickey]

and... your not a real designer unless you give only one comp that was designed on a mac!

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[Keyare]

Most PC Vs. Mac threads digress into something sexual in nature on this forum
I think it relieves the pressure of an argument that really, can have no resolution.
So, following GDF historical prescedence:

Platform Evangelists are Dinks!

[ylaenna]

Platform Shoes and Dicks!

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[ylaenna]

Oh, and welcome to the GDF, Fieldmouse. :)

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[PrintDriver]

ylaenna, that's downright kinky!
As long as they're on two different people, that is.

PrintDriver is a large format digital print dude. His advice/opinions may not apply to the 4color/offset/web world of printing

[jennifer]

I learned on a PC originally. Currently I work on both platforms. Outwardly, PC's seem to be more 'web design' oriented and Macs more 'print oriented'. I think this comes from the fact that the web seems to have exploded from within the PC programming community while Macs were the first to go after the graphics field many moons ago. That could just be my perception, though. I know lots of print is done on PC and lots of web design on Macs. That's simply how it breaks down in my head.

[D-Zine]

ylaenna is my friend : ) LOL

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[Keyare]

A quote from Ethereal View;

'But, I currently work on both platforms on a daily basis, and what I cannot get done on the PC (which is just about everything) I do on the Mac and port it over to be used by those who are not yet enlightened to a better world.'

Uh... what are you saying?

Are you doing everything on a PC unless you can't figure it out, then use a Mac.
Or are you saying that you can't do'just about everything' on a PC?
What exactly are these things you can't do?

In either case it's not the machine.

[Silence04]

Keyare said:
'.....Uh... what are you saying?'

^trying to argue^

Keyare then said:
'In either case it's not the machine.'

^trying NOT to argue^

lol

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[D-Frag]

^pointing out the obvious

^trying to start more sh1t

beeeeeeeeeeeeeeer goooooooooooooood!!

[Silence04]

Oh its on now!!! you got beef, you got beef? lets take this out side!

lol

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[ylaenna]

LOL!!!! On two different people or one, doesn't matter... whatever floats your boat. 8)

I agree with snypa — being able to work cross-platform is key. And I do mean key, not Key. A computer is just a tool; if you have a top-of-the-line machine but don't know the mouse from your ass, then you're up crap creek anyway.

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[Keyare]

'don't know the mouse from your ass'

^ what I meant to say ^

[D-Zine]

tee hee hee

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[Magnus]

You guys are all f**king idiots.

From now on, I'm using toe jam and ear wax to do my design work with.

How's that grab all of you?

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[EV]

In response to Keyare...

What I am saying is that I am extremely proficient on both Mac and PC. The problem is not with me. The problem is with the PC not being able to do what I need it to do. Try multi-tasking... it totally locks up. I toggle between programs really fast and use key commands for just about everything. Most of the time the PC just thinks for minutes at a time about what I am telling it to do... I don't have time for that. I noticed also that the Windows platform is slowly integrating key commands out so you are forced to use menus.

I don't work this way and I do not believe that it is good to restrict yourself solely to using the mouse for everything. Also, I burn a lot to CD and DVD. On the Mac, I just put the disc into the drive, drag the files I want to burn to the CD/DVD icon on the desktop, and click 'Burn Disk'... done--in less than a minute in most cases. On the PC, I have to launch a program, insert the disc, set the preferences for the medium, go through and select each file(s) I want to burn--one at a time, click 'Write DVD' or 'Write CD' and then wait for an hour and a half while it slowly progresses.

Incidentally, I have the same DVD Burner in each machine.

Also, on the PC there is 50 ways to do just one task. Why? Added bullsh-t you don't need. Resource wasting is what it is. Win XP is the worst operating system I have ever come across. Not to mention, when I click on My Computer, the system just shows me a blank white window for sometimes 5 minutes before it says, program not responding. That pisses me off.

I tend to work extremely fast, and the PC just cannot keep up. And food for thought... I have had three Dells and now a Sony VAIO... all were slower than my Mac at simple navigation tasks.

Life is meant to be easier than this. And it is. I just do it all on my Mac.

Let me give you a scenario I experienced one day with my boss at the time.

We needed an ad placed in Radio Ink magazine by 5:00pm that same day... typical. At the time I worked in the office, so i was doing the job on the Dell... it kept crashing, screwing with files, dropping applications--basically pissing me off. I finally had enough of it at around 3:30pm. I told my boss this was bullcrap and went home and grabbed my Powerbook and drove back to the office, fired it up, and did the ad in less than 20 minutes, sent it to the printer... done.

THAT is how you do business. No time for troubleshooting and f-cking about!

Answer your question?

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[D-Frag]

hmmmmmm im sold, someone show me to the nearest apple store......

beeeeeeeeeeeeeeer goooooooooooooood!!

[dakels]

my sexy silver powerbook gets me cute dates. I'd rather not see what kind of dates I get with a cow pattern gateway. :P

btw ylaenna what's with this crap creek place? I think if you were in a creek full of crap the computer decision can wait a bit.

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[Keyare]

It's much easier to blame the equipment isn't it?

I suppose you could have asked someone even more 'Extremely Proficient' than yourself to fix them,
but then that would be admitting ignorance.

Are you and Zartan related?

[D-Frag]

^^^^ lmfao, couldn't have put it better myself mang!!

beeeeeeeeeeeeeeer goooooooooooooood!!

[Silence04]

man, for a long time there (when i first joined), this site didn't have ANY mac vs. pc pissing contests...whats up with that, or did i join this forum in the 'slow season'? :P

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[Keyare]

LOL! Well, they keep appearing, again and again - so, we might as well make it a good one!

Mac users are stinky poo poo heads!

[Drawing a Blank]

I have both a Mac and a PC on my desk at work.


The MAC always looks down it's nose at the PC and calls it a blue collar machine and then reads the Wall Street Journal. The PC always rolls up it's sleeves and calls the MAC an elitest art school snob and reads the Daily news. But after the day is done they both go to happy hour together and order beers together.


Use what you like, your talent is what matters.

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and don't forget the cover letters on the TPS reports. I'll make sure you get another copy of that memo.


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[D-Zine]

This is really fkn hilarious!

EV - I run XP on a 4 year old HP with an AMD 866 processor...and only 384mb of ram. I can run my sh!t and multi task with no problems at all. I have never had one crash or freeze on this PC since I installed XP - NOT ONE in over a year and it stays running 24/7. I layed out a 458 page doc in ID CS full of Illustrator files of schematics....with NO PROBLEMS! Not even sluggish movement. My PC zipped through the doc. My shortcuts in my design programs work fine. I think you need to have your IT guy check yer PC...

As for the Mac....I used a Mac WAY before I ever touched a PC. I run and 867 dual G4 at work with 768 MB of ram.....the shiaaat drags, freezes, crashes...you name it. And please don't bother telling me I don't know what I'm doing with my Mac and I need my IT guy to look at bc I AM the IT Girl and I know wtf I'm doin with that pretty shiny box! If I didn't, people wouldn't bring theirs from home to me and pay me to fix them.

This debate is seriously rediculous. It is absolutely NOT the computer...its the user. We all have a personal preferance. I dunno why people are so stuck up about the Mac...what is the big deal? Its a friggin computer. IBM builds the fkn processors for the G5s. I used a Mac for 6 years before I ever touched a PC. I have threatened many many more times to throw, beat and brutally abuse my Crapintosh, then I have my PC....but that's me...

I like BOTH. I do! But I am sick and tired of hearing ppl trash the PC...I mean what is the big fkn deal here?? Normally when one puts something down its bc they don't understand it..I don't think that is the case with most on this forum as most have used both platforms and can agree that one works just as well as the other.

can't we all just get along??? (haha sory guys - I couldn't resist that!!)

Oh..I almost forgot - I dunno what CD buring software you are using but I drag my files on my PC to burn and click burn and viola!! I don't have to go through all that crap you described. http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/emoticons/thumbsup.gif Could the problem be that you are just not as kowledgeable about the PC so that makes you not work as efficiently on the PC as you do the Mac? I think that could be it :o)

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Post Edited (D-Zine) : 9/5/2004 4:02:21 AM GMT

[D-Zine]

Now....directions to Boobie Island please....... /emoticons/cheers.gif

Boobie Island or Bust!

[BuckarooB]

^-^ First, you Turn South at the Grand Tetons... /emoticons/cool.gif

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[EV]

Could be... maybe I just don't like the platform because I think a different way or something... no pun intended on the old Apple ads. But, seriously, I am pretty adept on the system, if I wasn't I would not be able to make a living on it. That being said, I am using the Drag & Drop CD/DVD software that came with the drive, is there something better? 'Cause this software sux ass.

Any ideas?

As for the user not the tool argument... ho, hum... whatever. If you handed Renoit a sponge and a bucket of latex paint, would he ever have become a famous painter? I doubt it.

You wouldn't drive a yugo in the Daytona 500... you wouldn't ride a goat in the Kentucky Derby... you wouldn't use a hammer to drive a screw...

Get my drift?

Simply, the Mac is MY choice... as I stated in my original post... yet all you PC heads immediately start attacking me, saying that I don't know what I am doing. I don't think this is the case. I think & believe I do know what I am doing, it is just that what I am doing is not how the Windows box wants it done. This is not a good tool. If it was a good tool, it would do the job without me having to troubleshoot EVERYTHING. See my point?

Anyway, I would never accuse any of you people of being inept in any way when it comes to your profession. I believe that you are all very capable in what you do... so don't for one second try to take away anything from me. I am not inept, I make an incredible living doing what I do for those that I do it for. I just prefer not to waste my time f-cking with a tool. I just want to work... and quickly.

Fair?

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[D-Zine]

Ok so we all like what we like, no one thing is better than the others and its all good. YAY!

I use Nero to burn my stuff!

Ok - I'm OFF to hook up my (or..errr..the companies) NEW XServe to...YAY :oP

Boobie Island or Bust!

[Magnus]

Yep, ditto on Nero. It's fast and easy...it's got my vote.

I only think people attacked you EV when you began your tirade about your poopy PC. Also, your system may be bogged down with some useless programs...do you surf the net with it? My home PC was running horribly because of ads until I installed Spybot and Ad Aware...cleaned all the junk off of it and now it's fast again. (That's saying a lot since my home computer is really old!).

I wouldn't drive a yugo in the indy 500, but I may take the Enzo Ferrari in it. I wouldn't ride a goat in the Kentucky Derby, but maybe a pony. And I HAVE used a hammer to drive a screw! I think comparing using a yugo in the Indy, would be like using a 486 CPU in today's modern Pentium age.

Can we talk about something else? Like leanne's breasts?

"...you should show only one design because that is what your paied to do....your not paied to let the client himself pick out which designs he likes best..."

- Zartan the Wise

D-Zine in a few months time you'll be a mac lober again, you'll lob the Mac, lob the Mac, lob the Ma...

I need a PC running XP on an AMD 64bit Opteron, With an nice frame like the new Vio notebooks that can handel anything I have. Oh and an Ipod. LOL!

[D-Zine]

I run both Benjo..I like both! Its all good :o)

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[DeleteYourself]

I highly recommend the iPod, Benjo...I do all my design on it!


Well, that and my GameBoy (first generation).

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[dakels]

I hate being on both my P4 and my G4
but I love my powerbook!

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[D-Zine]

LOL @ dakels :oP!!!!!!!

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[PrintDriver]

I was thinking of going out and buying a cheap PC just to break it and fix it. Hate having to rely on IT at work to get things done on that machine. Know how to use em and have two at work as well as 3 macs, but just never took the time to learn what makes a PC really tick, or how to fix it when it stops ticking. Only the one PC that is connected to the web has had issues. The other just hums along.

I want a Powerbook too but will wait to see if they come up with a way to stick dual processors in one first.

PrintDriver is a large format digital print dude. His advice/opinions may not apply to the 4color/offset/web world of printing

[DeleteYourself]

I think I might buy a Dell as a cheap, second computer and use it strictly for internet/pancakeing around.
I want to start using my G5 for design purposes only to preserve its integrity.

Also, on a site note: i've had MAJOR problems on certain websites with my Mac. I can't access any kind of Webmail on it (i have a Hotmail and a Bellsouth account). Also, some bill-paying sites give me problems too. Read: they don't work at all. I've tried using all different kinds of browsers from Firefox to Safari to Internet Explorer to regular Mozilla. No dice.

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[Mickey]

I wouldn't count on a dualy powerbook anytime soon! at least in the next year or two...

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[Mickey]

I do ALL my work on my single 1.3 powerbook 17inch and it works great!

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[Mickey]

I have run into a few sites that don't work with safari but I just switch over to IE and it usually takes care if it. and I do all of my banking and billing online

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[Ryan8720]

Well, I'm late again, but I just want to say that WinXP is definately not the worst operating system ever. It is one of the best, aside from the updates all the time. WinME is the worst operating system to ever plague mankind.

I'd like to get a cheap Mac to tinker with, but usually cheap and Mac don't go together. lol

And if you want a cheap PC, PD, check Tiger Direct (http://www.tigerdirect.com). You can get an older, decent, package for $300-$400.

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[D-Zine]

I agree with Ryan! I love WinXP and have had no problems at all with it! WinME was the worst. XP is very user friendly and I have had no lock ups or freezes at all since I installed it.

EV - I do believe that if Renoit had a sponge and a bucket of latex paint that he would have still become a famous painter. I am positive this is true. Have you seen some of the materials that painters use? I had a friend in college who was a painting major and one of the things he used alot of was acrylic. He did some amazing pieces using brushes, sponges......I even saw him using sticks so yeah - I totally believe its the user and not the tool. No you wouldn't ride a goat in the Kentucky Derby bc its not a horse (that really wasn't a good analogy). And a Yugo...come on....ROFLMFAO!

BTW - I didn't say that you didn't know what you were doing..just that maybe you needed to have your IT guy check your PC...maybe you have sypware running, maybe you have to many items checked to open upon start up, maybe your temp internet files need to be deleted, maybe the HD needs to be D-fragged....there is a number of things that could be causing your windows issues. You have to maintain your computer like you would your car. I do monthly maintenance on both my Mac and my PC to try to avoid any problems. That includes opening it up and dusting it. That fan brings in some serious dust, and cat hair too if you got one of those...LOL...that kinda stuff can wig out your system too. Oh and also...again, I didn't say that you didn't know what you were doing - I said "Could the problem be that you are just not as kowledgeable about the PC so that makes you not work as efficiently on the PC as you do the Mac?"

Man this topic is starting to get annoying. Nothing new can be said I don't think....LOL!! ;o) I got my XServe at work all hooked up today and ready to do the migration but still waiting on my dayumm Adobe sh!t!! The XServe is a beauty tho! WOW...IBM really knows how to build a processor!! I can't wait till I can get everything moved over and start using the new server! YAY!

Delete - that's really wierd! What OS are you on? 10.3? I don't have too many troubles on the web with my Mac but my internet runs slower on my Mac than my PC ...I dunno why tho?!!?
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Post Edited (D-Zine) : 8/6/2004 3:36:14 AM GMT

[Zenobian Grey]

New here, great site.

I've used both and in my honest opinion I think the two platforms are pretty parallel, and have been for the better part of the decade. I run the same apps on both and both machines seem to work in a very similar fashion.

There are differences, mainly navigation, but I wouldn't verse that as a major hurdle to overcome or be swayed in a certain direction.

In the industry, you all know that the MAC is pretty common place. This is because way back when, the MAC was actually stealing ideas from the Commodore Amiga, which were great little toys. Apple obviously had far more serious resources and marketing tactics,= $$ therefore, the MAC community really pushed the product to print shops who were doing everything up until that point by hand (what a bitch) Remember now, it wasn't an instant sky rocket, there were far more kinks and fixes yet to be panned out.

At that time PC was very primitive. However, I felt IBM had the tech, but withheld it as part of a patient marketing strategy, who really knows.

It didn't take long for PC to catch up to speed before it was in direct competition with MAC for the market share. This directly put Commodore out of business. I feel had the Amiga played its marketing card right and continued advancement/production, the argument here would be much different.

Today, most print shops carry both PC and MAC. This isn't because they care about their designers comfort level or preference, it's because if they don't they could lose business from those clients that have files in PC. Though most apps cross platform well, there are still a few snags to work out, mainly font conversion. With the introduction of Acrobat Reader's postscript capabilities and digital presses, there's really not much of a major argument any more.

Technology comes and goes, so why concern yourself with things that don't have much longevity? Instead, concentrate on your creativity. Because that is the only thing you can keep that isn't tangible.

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[Navian]

Congrats, your the new forum necromancer.

2004? Did you start reading threads from the last page of each forum? seriously wow. :p

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[reuber1]

http://www.classicgaming.com/rotw/altbwizard.gif
Ha ha ha. I thought this thread looked familiar.

[danedawg99]

Why are macs better for graphic design?

http://www.ringsidecollectibles.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/2005_cause_stone_cold_said_so_dvdS.jpg

[Neuro]

LOL@dandawg! I am going to use that answer from now on, that's great!

[nv14j6]

This is Nick Wright and I'm a new student at the Art Institute of Colorado. My Major is Graphic Design and i was given an assignment to search out the top of the line computer for my field. In your guys opinion what is the best computer out there for the job

[PrintDriver]

You want us to do YOUR homework?
Hmmmm....
Tell you what. Do a search here on recommended comps and see what comes up.
They all have their issues and perks.

[jimking]

A dual G5 Mac with at least a gig of ram, Tiger 4.7. :D This ought to stir some folks. :p

[nv14j6]

Im not asking you to do my homework i was just looking for an actual person for a resource instead of an article posted on some website

[PrintDriver]

I refuse to start this up again. LOL!
Even the new quads are still using Rosetta. Until the softs catch up it don't matter how reved a machine is.

[jimking]

I refuse to start this up again. LOL!
Even the new quads are still using Rosetta. Until the softs catch up it don't matter how reved a machine is.
True, we still run our preps from G3s and I love it! StableStableStableStable.

[reuber1]

http://www.classicgaming.com/rotw/altbwizard.gif
Ha ha ha. I thought this thread looked familiar.

Wait a minute...deja vu. Didn't I already say that? This thread has been resurrected TWICE!?!

[Drorain]

must be a level 31 necromancer, cause usually it only works once

[PrintDriver]

Anyone remember the gamble of Resurrection turning your character to ashes in Wizardy?
IIILIIIJIIIIIII
(^keystrokes for The Darkness. LOL!)

[Kool]

I always let the temple priests do any resurrection. I always ended up ashing them otherwise. :D

[PrintDriver]

Even the temple priests screwed up once in a while. But THEY could bring the ashes back. For the right amount of gold pieces. LOL.

[Navian]

must be a level 31 necromancer, cause usually it only works once


level 31 necromancer from what game? lol.

In Everquest a level 31 necromancer was so so.. a highend top geared level 70 necromancer however was awsome.

[reuber1]

I'm a Level 91 Have No Idea What The Pancake You're All Talking About from the dungeon of "Deer in Headlights" with a +12 in clueless.

[ecsyle]

Macs are better because they cost more, and give you a head start on that pretentious, "my shit don't stink" attitude required of modern designers :)

Smug. Im going to go smell my own farts now.

[cre8tor]

I need to write up a proposal to my company why I need a MAC instead of a PC. I'm so sick of getting by on a PC as a designer.

~ Inayah

[ecsyle]

Why do you want a mac? What makes it better than a pc? Seriously?

[morea]

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c343/gdfmorea/silly%20things/deadhorse.gif

[reuber1]

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c343/gdfmorea/silly%20things/deadhorse.gif
That looked really wrong for a second. I caught the smily's upward arm movement first; I thought he was ripping something off.

[ecsyle]

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c343/gdfmorea/silly%20things/deadhorse.gif
Pfftt, i have nothing else to do.

[Patrick Shannon]

I need to write up a proposal to my company why I need a MAC instead of a PC. I'm so sick of getting by on a PC as a designer.

~ Inayah

Are you losing a lot of productivity time/work/etc with what you're working on now? Talking about that to superiors could be sufficient enough, worked for me at my last job when my PC would frequently crash and lose work (sometimes even right in front of clients).

[PrintDriver]

Not only do you have to justify the Mac.
You have to justify all new software.
Tough sell.

[urstwile]

Put the post reply button down, urstwile. :D

No but seriously, as a Mac user, I can no longer say that it's better to use Macs for graphic design over PC's, a lot has changed. I use a Mac now because it's what I prefer, and fortunately, so does the creative department at the agency where I work. I came to my preference for Macs when I first started doing graphic work because PC's just couldn't hack it back then, but that's no longer the case.

[rickself]

I've got 3 macs, 2 peesee's. They each have their own duties, and no one over the other feels neglect! They do about the same things, it's the software now that is the issue, not the hardware.

http://www.mysticwicks.com/images/smilies2/hatecomputer.gif

[ecsyle]

Hey guys whats better coke or pepsi? I really need to know, thanks.

[reuber1]

Both are bad for your health.

[urstwile]

Hey guys whats better coke or pepsi? I really need to know, thanks.

Cheese. :D

[ecsyle]

Can't I just upgrade that later?

Can I get an iso torrent of cheese please?

[greyghost]

Wine or Beer?

[urstwile]

Is it cheaper to Boston, or by bus?

Is that a gun in your pocket, or are those tamales in the window?

Which tastes better, liver or by taxi?

Was Picasso an artist, or is Paris in Georgia or France?

:rolleyes: I know, random, but just to try to demonstrate my love of the Mac vs. PC discussion, I thought I'd share.

[ecsyle]

Macs only have one buttan lol

[shadepics]

After a week work experience at a design studio, on macs, i've concluded i hate them with a passion. Within half an hour i'd crashed it 3 times. Then again i do appreciate the build quality.

[ecsyle]

My mac has crashed on me 3 times in 4 years. Software crashes sometimes.

My ibook has never crashed on me. Ever.

[PrintDriver]

If the mac crashed 3 times in an hour it has issues. Usually do to improper maintenance on the part of the user. They definitely aren't fool proof an more.

[shadepics]

i don't doubt that they rarely have problems, just from all the hype i'd heard I was expecting flawless

[colonel5]

Not only do you have to justify the Mac.
You have to justify all new software.
Tough sell.

Actually you can call Adobe and as long as you don't talk to a total jerk they will give you the serial number for the mac version of the software... I've done it a few times for myself and others... a 20 minute phone call is worth the $2000-$3000

[reuber1]

Actually you can call Adobe and as long as you don't talk to a total jerk they will give you the serial number for the mac version of the software... I've done it a few times for myself and others... a 20 minute phone call is worth the $2000-$3000
That is very, very, very good to know Colonel. I didn't know that. :D

[PrintDriver]

Not all are as easy as Adobe and not all disks come with Fat installs.

[colonel5]

Well as far as design software goes (Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, Flash, Dreamweaver, etc) there's not much more you need or should have, unless you use Quark and then that's your own problem ;o)

[Patrick Shannon]

I know for a fact that Macromedia has/had strict policies about it....I needed to switch a license over from Mac to PC once and they would only allow it one time (why they just don't allow dual-platform license is beyond me considering their installation CDs are dual-platform). Now that they're owned by Adobe, I wonder if this has changed.

Dual installation software with dual licenses, now that'd be nice for a printshop. Buy a Mac and install Bootcamp/Windows XP, and you'd be ready to take on any customer's platforms and files all on one computer. One can only dream.

[idaho]

Hey Im brand-spankin new to this forum. I tried searching but couldnt get any results.If you know of a previous postthat answers my question, just post the link.Anyway, I was just wondering why graphic designers, illustrators,animators, etc. prefer mac over pc.

Thanks
FM

Good lord, here we go again!

[idaho]

Sorry, it would help if I look at the date of the original post. My bad. Let the beatings begin.

[PrintDriver]

It's not just the big softs.
All those little 3rd party extensions and plug-ins are platform specific. So are the type managers. If you use them. I know I do...

[Chrmur]

Why didn't anybody mention the Linux OS with its built in freeware GIMP (Graphic Image Manipulation Program).



There could be a good reason that i don't know about,
so if someone could enlighten me i'd be grateful :)

[ecsyle]

Because GIMP ****ing sucks son.

Because there are no good vector illustration software for Linux.

Because you are going to have a hell of a time getting production to switch to a platform with no support that no one really uses. Servers? Sure, we run nothing but linux servers. Graphic development? hahahaha.


Also, lol at GIMP being "built-in" because, you know, it's not built in. It's a program you have to install. Maybe you meant bundled?

[tZ]

becasue gimp is garbage

I admit… inkscape is allright but, gimp is really nothing like the mainstream choice of photoshop for raster manipulation.

No true professionl who makes an actual living doing design work uses gimp.

[Chrmur]

Thanks for letting me know i just wondered why it was never brought up. I'm still only a first year student so my knowledge base is very limited. :)

[Rocketpig]

Now that Macs run Windows, buy yourself an iMac and call it a day.

You can run both OSes and find out for yourself which one you like better.

I prefer Mac OS. I ran a 20 computer network for 2 1/2 years that consisted of Win2k & XP machines operated by hairless apes. It was a nightmare but a well put together Windows machine that is maintained properly will be secure and stable.

But Mac OS is more intuitive and frankly, it works better and looks prettier IMO.

[urstwile]

This is the thread that refuses to die. And it should. The Mac vs. PC thing is so dead horse dead in the water these days. Yeah there are differences, but everyone's going to have different comfort levels, and that's what it's about nowadays. Ten years ago, I would have said Mac for sure (and I'm a committed Mac user), but nowadays, that's seems moot.

It's based on the software you already have, in my opinion. If you already have Windows platform licenses for your software, you are not wrong in going with Windows. Same goes true for Mac software licenses. You can't transfer the licenses, at least not easily, so if you already own Windows versions (and vice/versa) of software, that's where you base your decision.

If none of the above are true, though, I would recommend Mac, because of its cross-platform capability, because you can truly switch between both. Windows machines can't do that. And I do think Macs are more stable and virus free than Windows, but I'm not sure how long that will last.

But really, bury the horse, really, it's dead, dead, dead. Stop kicking it with that stick!

[distruktor]

gimp ha ha ha! cant believe someone called a programme that...

sounds like they are trying to make up for it being shite by giving it an amusing name always a concern... from what ive read they couldve called it S.H.I.T (superior hi-tech imagery tool)

[panzer]

NOT again please

"panzer runs round forum pulling his hair out"

[PrintDriver]

At the end of the day, I don't care if you are still drawing with sticks in mud. Software is just a tool whether it's Gimp or Photoelements or Paint or Photoshop and a box is just a means to use the tool. If the end format prints/posts/animates, who cares?

<said with the understanding that prints/posts/animates works in an industry standard manner without ME having to stoop too far down the food chain to output your material. Even if I have to photograph it or scan it. LOL!>

[rikbarwick]

I personally would only do my testing on a pc, Macs don't get viruses, Windows is far to insecure for my liking, if Apple can stop viruses, why doesn' t windows? I personally thing Microsoft has money in anti virus software and develop viruses to sell anti viruses if that makes sense

[distruktor]

I personally would only do my testing on a pc, Macs don't get viruses, Windows is far to insecure for my liking, if Apple can stop viruses, why doesn' t windows? I personally thing Microsoft has money in anti virus software and develop viruses to sell anti viruses if that makes sense


i always thought the whole virus thing was that no one bothered to write visuses for macs because compared to the amount of PCs used worldwide it wasnt really worth writing one for a mac.

ie: write a visus for a mac and shut down some ad agencies - write a virus for a PC and shutdown the world

[Patrick Shannon]

Eh, nothing wrong with Gimp as far as free software goes, it kicks ass when you think of it that way and for the average person whose only other alternative is MSPaint for their basic editing needs. But as others pointed out, completely worthless for professional design. GUI-wise, needs big improvements. I don't have a problem with Linux (prefer my webhosting on it), but it's funny how it's applications in X-Windows, etc look about five-ten years out of date.

It's not like there never was or is never going to be viruses for Mac; worms was a popular word during the Mac OS Classic days. As far as OS X goes, it is absolutely worth writing a virus for Mac as that would get widespread recognition if it did manage to work and that person (even anonymously) would get bragging rights. I'm sure there's lots of people who are currently trying. But to date, any shortcomings have mostly been proof-of-concept security flaws that don't really seriously affect the majority of platform users and later patched at that. Even if they succeed (and I think it will happen someday), that's one versus god knows how many on the other side.

Also, the "dead-horse" response is a dead-horse in itself. As long as you have people researching and buying computers, you'll always have threads like this one. Although I'm surprised this particular thread keeps popping up...

[Jackimalyn]

^^ thats exactly it. Macs dont stop viruses... they just arent written for macs.

Heres an article:
http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000737.htm

[gobes]

As has been mentioned already... there relly is not much difference in performance between current Mac's and PC's. I'm told that Mac's render text better - and are therefore better for print design... but I have used both and have never really seen the difference.

I stay to my PC - because I'm used to it... and they are much cheaper than Mac's.

[Jackimalyn]

I think a lot of "cheaper" PCs are crap. I have a mac, which was defiantely overpriced but I would never compare it to a $299 Dell. However I totally agree, when you get into the higher models, the more expensive PCs, they are quite competitive with Macs, on price and perofrmance.

I like and use them both. (if you listen really close... you can hear a Mac Nazi screaming...)

[gobes]

I paid about £900 for my DELL... and I think it's slightly faster (at application level) than my G5 that I have in the office, which cost about £1700. Both bought roughly at the same time. Still.... my company paid for the G5... so I'm not bothered. :)

[Rocketpig]

Eh, nothing wrong with Gimp as far as free software goes, it kicks ass when you think of it that way and for the average person whose only other alternative is MSPaint for their basic editing needs. But as others pointed out, completely worthless for professional design. GUI-wise, needs big improvements. I don't have a problem with Linux (prefer my webhosting on it), but it's funny how it's applications in X-Windows, etc look about five-ten years out of date.

It's not like there never was or is never going to be viruses for Mac; worms was a popular word during the Mac OS Classic days. As far as OS X goes, it is absolutely worth writing a virus for Mac as that would get widespread recognition if it did manage to work and that person (even anonymously) would get bragging rights. I'm sure there's lots of people who are currently trying. But to date, any shortcomings have mostly been proof-of-concept security flaws that don't really seriously affect the majority of platform users and later patched at that. Even if they succeed (and I think it will happen someday), that's one versus god knows how many on the other side.

Also, the "dead-horse" response is a dead-horse in itself. As long as you have people researching and buying computers, you'll always have threads like this one. Although I'm surprised this particular thread keeps popping up...

Patrick is absolutely right. If it was as easy to write a virus for Mac OS as it *was* (note, past tense) for XP, there would be several around by now.

The fact is that Macs UNIX foundation and the simple (yet amazingly overlooked by MS) authentication required to install kill 99% of viruses.

It also helps that their market share is so small that many virus writers don't bother with Mac, though.

[distruktor]

I paid about £900 for my DELL... and I think it's slightly faster (at application level) than my G5 that I have in the office, which cost about £1700. Both bought roughly at the same time. Still.... my company paid for the G5... so I'm not bothered. :)


apparently when CS3 comes out (which is gonna be native not running under emulation like CS2 does) macs are gonna absolutely fly, 70-80% faster than they are now are figures ive heard being thrown around :eek:

[genecotton]

THERE IS A REAL ANSWER TO THIS... I didn't read it in the first 5 pages, I will go back to see if anyone else said this.

TWO ANSWERS.

1. Macs are not targeted by Viruses as much.

2. MORE IMPORTANTLY: The COLOR GAMUT for the MAC VIDEO is much more vibrant than PC. That is both an advantage and something that must be considered when designing because everyone who has a PC will not see what you see. It's mostly an advantage since everything looks better on mac monitors. The same is true of Photoshop display of imagery... vastly superior, so when you are in Photoshop on a Mac you are really seeing something special. That can be very good for creative inspiration.

[Navian]

That is both an advantage and something that must be considered when designing because everyone who has a PC will not see what you see.

That is so not true anymore. You might want to go research that, things have changed, even in that last year.

Edit* My reason for staying with a PC, is that Autodesk does not make, nor will they ever make AutoCAD for the mac, period, there is no market for it.. (you dont think so? every engineering firm of some kind has pc's, to change to a mac, and buy all new software it would cost them millions of dollars, not worth it, thus no market).

I utilize AutoCAD in my graphic design as well as the cad work I do. It is just another powerful tool that gives me an upperhand over others who dont have access to it.

[Exodus]

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c343/gdfmorea/silly%20things/deadhorse.gif

ˆˆ Ditto

[reuber1]

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c343/gdfmorea/silly%20things/deadhorse.gif
That looked really wrong for a second. I caught the smily's upward arm movement first; I thought he was ripping something off.Am I the only one who sees it?

[Exodus]

LOL! Yea, I got it.

[Kool]

http://koolsplace.com/images/horse.gif

[Danger_Mouse]

I dont use Mac or PC........VIC 20 ALL THE WAY BABY!!!1

I do my design work still on the ol' school VIC 20. I just put a tape in my datasette and Im rockin!!!!

I can make alot of hearts at once with 20 mins of coding.

[yeshe1902]

I think that mac is better for graphic design just because of the color and how fast the pics load. It's better graphic in mac than in pc and not believe what other might tell you I used both and I would never go back to a pc for anything.

[morea]

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c343/gdfmorea/silly%20things/deadhorse.gif


from our FAQ:

Question: Which is better, mac or pc?

Answer: Both have their uses in graphic design. While Macs have traditionally been considered "THE" tool for graphic design, either system is acceptable in the industry these days. It’s not which system you use, so much as how you use it. The quality of our work is NOT defined by our hardware.

[reuber1]

Hey! It's the smiley yanking off the dead horse penis! Ooops.

[distruktor]

http://deephousepage.com/smilies/deadhorse.gif

[urstwile]

http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/sign/sign0015.gif

[tZ]

^
apparently so

http://content.answers.com/main/content/img/webpics/george_w_bush.jpg

[Ghost9]

macs are not better, nor are pcs. as far as operating systems go there's no difference. all design programs are identical on both platforms. the only difference is the hardware of whatever particular model you buy. Pick whichever platform best suites your needs, then make sure you get a powerful enough computer for what you want to do. that is all.

mac's were initially considered better for graphics due to the fact that design software was at first created only for the mac. so logically if you wanted to design you would need a mac. They were also for a time faster when it came to graphics processing. HOWEVER, today hardware on both is near identical and there is no advantage to one or the other. The only difference is the age of your hardware. An new mac is better than an old pc, a new pc is better than an old mac, a new pc and a new mac will be equal DEPENDING on what model you get and the hardware inside. it's all about the hardware folks.

windows or mac doesn't matter anymore. the only time it will matter is if there is design software you need that is exclusive to one or the other.

[Nveah]

Point is, it doesn't matter what platform you work on, it's what you do with it that counts. If you are working from your home, I'd suggest a PC simply because you may also be interested in other things that a PC may catter to.



I agree, i work off both Mac and PC, but it's what you do with them that counts. I use my Mac mostly for design simply because it doesnt crash and i can open different programs and easily access them... However when it comes to things like gaming, PC's are definatly better.

[Ghost9]

I use my Mac mostly for design simply because it doesnt crash and i can open different programs and easily access them...

i always find statements like that interesting. I used macs in school and those things crashed waaaaaay more often than my pc ever did. I lost so much work cause of those damn things. turned me off to macs. was probably whatever the school had done to them. my pc runs like a dream but I'm also the one taking care of it.

[Loopy]

Maybe I should show my boyfriend this thread. He is a die hard mac user and loves to argue with me about how mac is better than pc.

I've used both, and I personally like pc better.

Its not as simple as saying mac is better than pc or vise versa. It’s a dumb argument and every time he starts talking about his precious mac I want to slap him.

[Nveah]

my pc runs like a dream but I'm also the one taking care of it.

Mind you, i'm the one looking after my Mac so maybe thats also why it doesn't crash. The PC i have is used by a family of 5 so you can imagine the amount of rubbish that builds up

[reuber1]

You know this thread is frackin' old when a former mod who has been banned has been quoted in it.

[Riya]

That's the secret, don't let anyone else touch your computer... That and threaten it a lot.

In the words of the infamous Three Dead Trolls in a Baggie "Every computer crashes, cuz every OS sucks!"

[cgmpowers]

I don't want to get into arguements but I was a die-hard PC user for YEARS before switching to a Mac. Infact, when I first bought a Mac..it went unused for a few months until I warmed up to the thing and this was back under OS 9...

I stopped using PCs about 5 years ago because of the IT issue. I spent more time troubleshooting viruses, worms, popups, spyware, misc. weird crashes, sluggish problems, installations from hell, etc.

I noticed when switching to the Mac...the majority of those problems went away. Most of my Mac applications install by dragging the program/folder to the Applications folder & can be deleted as easily. Those who have installation menus are straight front and never bog my system down by installing unneed startup programs.

I also haven't had a virus since day one of owning the Mac. I have had the Mac for almost 7 years (seven in January) and not one virus or spyware.

I don't even run virus software!!

My son has his PC and reformats it about every 6 months to reinstall his OS and start the slate from scratch. That to me is an enormous waste of time. Sure, he's probably going places and downloading things he shouldn't but with a Mac..I have no worries (yet).

Christopher Powers

p.s. I did say yet.. With the advent of the Intel Mac's and running Windows on them..I'm sure there's a timebomb brewing for the Mac's one day. But for now, I have no worries.

[urstwile]

This is not in reply to any specific post, but a reply to the fact that this keeps getting dragged out of the archives, I mean isn't the subject thoroughly dead at this point?

http://www.planetsmilies.com/smilies/indifferent/indifferent0018.gif

[reuber1]

Yeah folks, this thread started 2 years ago on August.

Urstwile, you dragged the thread too!

So am I!!! #%@%!!!

[Ghost9]

I stopped using PCs about 5 years ago because of the IT issue. I spent more time troubleshooting viruses, worms, popups, spyware, misc. weird crashes, sluggish problems, installations from hell, etc.

from my research a casual user will often find mac's easier to deal with. I myself am a gamer so I'm on a pc. But I also know how to build a computer so I can solve the tech issues. I've used a pc for years without getting a virus, but that's also cause I'm smart enough to avoid them. But like i said, the os is just a personal preference. the design software is literally the same on both. hell they can even be opened on both if you have fonts for it, atleast adobe stuff. adobe programs will transfer back and forth with ease. only problem is that fonts don't transfer.

[Ghost9]

Maybe I should show my boyfriend this thread. He is a die hard mac user and loves to argue with me about how mac is better than pc.

I've used both, and I personally like pc better.

Its not as simple as saying mac is better than pc or vise versa. It’s a dumb argument and every time he starts talking about his precious mac I want to slap him.

hey loopy, next time it comes up just ask him "Why?"
people never have a good legitimite reason. more often than not it's someone who doesn't know anything about computers.

[Patrick Shannon]

Although I regret contibuting to this thread that oddly resurrects (aren't there newer ones at least?), there is one thing worth mentioning concerning application differences that I was actually P.O.ed about earlier today while working between Illy and PS.

Why must (almost) everything in Windows be contained within another Window? For example, almost all the Adobe apps have that useless grey background behind them. Thus, you can't see other windows from other apps on the same screen if you want, you have to either tab or hit the task bar. Or minimize that application window, except the menu bar is tied to it and that throws the whole GUI off.

I wonder if the useless grey background is Adobe or Microsoft's fault design-wise, although I've seen other Windows apps do the same thing.

[Ghost9]

Why must (almost) everything in Windows be contained within another Window? For example, almost all the Adobe apps have that useless grey background behind them. Thus, you can't see other windows from other apps on the same screen if you want, you have to either tab or hit the task bar. Or minimize that application window, except the menu bar is tied to it and that throws the whole GUI off.

I wonder if the useless grey background is Adobe or Microsoft's fault design-wise, although I've seen other Windows apps do the same thing.

ya know I also hate that. I don't think it's MS's fault though, cause Photoshop will actually allow you to view without that background. if you don't maximize the window, you can shring the background of photoshop and see through to whatever is below it. Photoshop is the only program i've found so far that allows that in cs2. I don't know why the other programs didn't follow suit.

[Loopy]

hey loopy, next time it comes up just ask him "Why?"
people never have a good legitimite reason. more often than not it's someone who doesn't know anything about computers.

I know, and I hear the same old thing.

"oh its so much easier to use"
"oh no viruses"
"oh installing software so so easy"
"oh its just so pretty"

I've given up debating and now I just change the subject...

So, how about that game last night? :rolleyes:

[distruktor]

stooooooOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooOOOOO o oooo ooo oo o ooooooop!!!

someone please lock this thread :)

[yeshe1902]

So a degree that mac is better for design and there is a difference b/n them mac is easier to use for people just learn to do design and small other stuff.I had lots of trouble using pc for my computer class then i got my mac on moved though the programs so much faster.so very true that mac has less dumbs trying to break the system.

[distruktor]

http://bestsmileys.com/signs1/23.gif

[urstwile]

Pssst. You guys. All the really cool people are going over to this thread: The cool thread (http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19665)

[captain spanky]

it's not what you've got, it's what you do with it!
***** it, i'm still using paper and ink!
i haven't got a keyboard, i just write on the screen in crayon...
:)

[distruktor]

there's a party goin on over here:

http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19665

[EC]

Party? http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/dance013.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)

[urstwile]

http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/8093/pointlessjh9.gif

For a good time, go here:Good times (http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19665)

[Samakimoto Graphics]

One word "Microprocessor"

[distruktor]

step away from the thread... there is nothing for you to see here

[Samakimoto Graphics]

*backing away, away, away...*

[panzer]

can we just shoot the next person who asks this question

it might be a good deterent

like the death penalty for murderes "you wont do that again a hurry"

[distruktor]

i'll second that Panzer...

[reuber1]

*sigh* this is getting old...FASTThis was posted 2 years ago. Think how old it is now.

Dammit, I posted in this thread again. I can't control myself Captain!

[Broacher]

Different think.

[Danger_Mouse]

(DM enters room)

Hey everyone! Can anyone here tell me why Macs are better?

(quickly exits room)

[Samakimoto Graphics]

*DM runs into the mouse trap Samakimoto set just outside the door*

Trap:Snap!

Dm: Aaaaaaaa mama!

[Kool]

:D

No one will love me until I swear off Corel. So I'm switching to PrintMaster Gold for Macintosh. I hear that once I use a Macintosh I will be loved and admired and the ladies will feed me grapes and wine and bathe my feet in olive oil because of the mystical aura of the macintosh. It's $29.95! I can afford that to kick start my new career! Yes, I will be the Print Master! And I will send you SignMaster files! You're a sign guy - you MUST have SignMaster! I will have over TEN FONTS to choose from! and a lot of clipart on floppy disk! It's SO EASY!
Il will be able to work from home and with just a click of the mouse I will be able to charge thousands of dollars for making logos right from the many bitmap logos supplied with SignMaster! I WILL BE THE ADONIS OF DESIGN! MY EMAIL TOLD ME SO! And after my first logo I will be buying Quark! I saw it in a pawn shop on Hastings! I hear it's what EVERYBODY who's ANYBODY uses! I can't believe it's still there and nobody snapped it up! I will be the QuarkMaster! A Quarkaholic, The King of Quark, The Quarkinator and then I will send you signs in Quark and call you a Mr. McNastyPants because you can't use my Quark files even though EVERYBODY who's ANYBODY knows that EVERYBODY uses Quark!
THEN! After my first logo, I might have enough left over to buy Photoshop! Or I might have to do a second logo to pay off my student loan and my car and maybe a few alimony payments - but I might still have enough left over for Photoshop! And boyo boy imagine what I could do to you with THAT program! I'll be able to make Buttons! I will put buttons on everything. Posters, business cards, LOGOS! I will be the 3D ButtonMASTER! A buttonoholic, the King of Buttons, the Buttonator!

[morea]

damn, I miss Keyare. :)

[Patrick Shannon]

http://dyn.ifilm.com/image/stills/multimedia/photos/k/2646831_i_1_k_.jpg

[reuber1]

Nah nah nuh nah nah nuh nah nah nuh nah...

ARGHHHHHHHHHH.............

[Mynock]

http://media.scout.com/media/image/28/286022.gif

[morea]

http://dyn.ifilm.com/image/stills/multimedia/photos/k/2646831_i_1_k_.jpg

LMAO! Shaun!

[Samakimoto Graphics]

Hey DM, I noticed the original poster is also a mouse - Fieldmouse.
DM, step out of the trap and give him/her VIP treatment.