and he's ugly too

[SigPho]

humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite.net/unfit_video_wmv.html (http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesuite.net/unfit_video_wmv.html)

[uncle carbunkle]

wow.

>> rudie can't fail <<

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That isht is total conservative-biased propaganda. Friends of the Bush campaign also released a new ad in Ohio (and possibly other 'markets') where people who supposedly 'served' with Kerry discount his versions of certain war-hero stories from Vietnam, such as how he earled is first purple heart and his bronze star. What they don't tell you is that NONE of the veterans who offer testomonials actually served with Kerry. They just happened to serve in Vietnam at the same time as Kerry. Actual eyewitnesses and members of his swiftboat crew give him overwhelming praises.

The right wing lie-machine is in full swing.

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[SigPho]

So, what about the guy that said he treated kerry?

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Here's the ad: www.swiftvets.com/ (http://www.swiftvets.com/)

Here's one of the articles debunking the ad: releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=131-08052004 (http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=131-08052004)

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SigPho said...
So, what about the guy that said he treated kerry?

It's a total lie. I heard the name of the guy who actually treated Kerry on the radio last night on a show that was talking about this. Lying isn't against the law.

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[SigPho]

Well, it makes me think twice anyway.

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That's what marketing is designed to do. And make no mistake...it is marketing.

These people have no interest in ethics, journalism, or truth.

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[Drorain]

not a total lie according to the affidavits that were sent out with the media kit. If this goes to court for slander we'll find out, BUT dont forget kerry's reps sending out a threat to sue stations that put it on

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[Drorain]

a note on the article you linked delete look at the source

Media Matters for America is a Web-based, not-for-profit, progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring...


Its a progressive (or liberal) monitoring group

I'm not trying insight there lying I just want you all to realize both sides are flinging a whole bunch of BULL

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[reuber1]

It should be noted that Senator John McCain (republican) publicly defended Kerry from these bullsh*t ads a couple of days ago, and even other republicans have admitted to his excellent service. And also it's been noted that John Kerry has never had any association with any of the men in that commercial. It's this kind of garbage propoganda crap that starts dividing this country into two seperate camps and the truth becomes a bunch of distorted lies. This ad is no better than what everyone claims Fahrenheit 9/11 does (haven't seen it yet, so I can't tell).


Oh well, I guess it's worse to actually go to war and shoot the enemy in the back (as opposed to waiting for them to turn around and shoot you back) as he's been criticized for, get wounded from war several times (he's even been criticized for not having wounds that were that serious...jesus christ!), and after experiencing war wanting to go home and protest it, rather than being AWOL from the Texas Guard and partying all the time (pick up a recent issue of GQ magazine to see some interesting George W. pics of him doing nothing but partying during this time; makes you not want to vote for him).


By the way, since I'm a democrat and "IF" I decided to become republican, would that make me a flip-flopper? Also, Bush says we're a safer nation now, but now we have a bunch of terror threats and such; does that make Bush a flip flopper? Oh, and if I decide instead to become a vegetarian, would that make me a flip flopper? Hey,if I turnedhomosexual would that make me a flip flopper? The conservative notion of being a flip flopper is ridiculous. Being a flip flopper shows that you can learn from mistakes and you can better yourself from those mistakes by improving yourself, as opposed to blindly following the same convictions no matter what cost or how many citizens you piss off. Come on Bush, admit it, going to war was a *****ed up plan to begin with...if you want to be the international police chief then you better get crackin' on a boat load of other nations.


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I agree with you, completely reuber. But, though I'd like to believe that the Dems are taking the high road and it's the Reps that are doing the lying, Drorain brings up a good point. Both sides are flinging mad sh!t.

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[reuber1]

Totally agreed. I would much rather hear some truth, facts, and future administration plans rather than blindly following my side and bashing the other one (although that's kinda what I just did...oops...at least I'll admit it); I just wish more people could do that and perhaps the majority of America's population wouldn't be so friggin' uptight.





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[uncle carbunkle]

sh!t flinging.

the monkeys are running the circus.

ook.

eek.

>> rudie can't fail <<

[ylaenna]

Yes, more truth, please! And wouldn't it be awesome if candidates didn't spend so much money campaigning? All that cash could go to the country's bottom line instead. Maybe someday.

THINGS GO WELL AH MAHT BE SHOWIN HER MAH OH FACE...

[REDeye]

pancake the politicians.

[Drorain]

amen to that redeye, i like talking politics, but at the same time i need to remove myself from it constantly, i will mentally turn off from it a few days a week, and instead focus on more everyday/mundane things

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[reuber1]

Here's part of the problem with politics nowadays, the subject of the video of the following link.

http://www.outfoxed.org/

Just watching the trailer pisses me off, and I imagine it should piss off others as well.I don't watch FOX news, and now I see why. I maylean left so it may seem biased, but honestly I don'tsupport any news organization that editorialize the news, benefiting liberals nor conservatives.

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[Ryan8720]

I hate all the stupid mudslinging ads. They get older and older as the months drag on. Hopefully the election won't drag like it did last time.

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- Albert Einstein

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Damn, reuber! Outfoxed looks goooooood. I lean to the left, also, and I've read a lot about FNC's shady practices, but this looks amazing. I will definately be seeing this.

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[Drorain]

from my end this looks to be a leftist organization... do you guys see CNN or MSNBC or ABC as left slanted?

IMO Journalism is dead everything is just political commentary

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[Drorain]

just saw it...moveon.org?....thats all that needs to be said for the 'fair look' at fox news...

more of the crap flinging...

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[SigPho]

how does anyone know who to believe anymore? lieing is so....bad. and unatractive.

[Drorain]

its the way politics has been, big money and corp. interests represented by both parties...they both say they want campaign finance reform...They're both full of crap

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Except Nader, who doesn't accept money from any big corporations, supposedly...

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[uncle carbunkle]

some of my family were travelling throughout the middle east for a few years, a few years ago (just before the most recent crap hit the fan). they were eating dinner with some local people and started discussing politics, both global and local. the opinion relayed to me that disturbed, yet didn't suprise, me most was this: the man in question, as much as he hated america, hated the american people more. his reasoning was that with all of the wealth, freedom and opportunity that america has - all the opportunity to gain knowledge and educate themselves - a huge portion of the population remains ignorant. ignorant not only to the political state of the world, but to how their own government has a direct hand in bringing about that state and the current conditions.

i'm not affirming or advocating his or any other hatred. i only use this quick summation of a second-hand conversation to illustrate a point: we all need to snap out of the coma that several generations of north americans have slipped into. we're being spoon-fed 'news'. i find it encouraging to read debate, (even if some of your opinions scare me! http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/emoticons/happy.gif), and i encourage everone to access as much news from as many different sources as possible. i'm sorry to say that i don't think we can trust one single source for accurate information anymore.

we're lucky and wealthy and educated. lets keep educating ourselves, and perhaps encourage others to do the same.

that was exausting. i'm going back to weaving my grass skirt for my upcoming sojourn to boobie island...

>> rudie can't fail <<

[Drorain]

nader...the ONLY canidate against the war, If you dont agree with the in Iraq Vote for him, by all means... Because Bush and Kerry both voted for the war on the same information, provided from the same intelligence.

I for one will not vote nader, made that mistake last election...of course last election I wasnt very educated as well, I wouldnt of voted if I had known he wants to legalize pot

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[Drorain]

very insightful unk, i agree with ya, but as the great psalmist wrote there is Nothing new under the sun...this has been happening for MANY MANY years, It only seems worse now because we live in the hear and now, and cant truly compare it to then...Think of the Yellow Journalism and how it was used back in the 20s, and the reading of the war of the worlds...most people are lemmings, and they will stay that way

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[uncle carbunkle]

*sigh*

yes, dro, i'm aware.

and if you want to change the world you've got to start with yourself...

i'm done with political banter for the day.

gotta stop yappin' and start doin'.

>> rudie can't fail <<

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Good point, unc. You can't expect to learn anything by watching the local news, or even by watching cnn, or listening to npr (or whatever your news source of choice happens to be). Diversified news of an international-nature is the way to go.

Drorain, you really think legalizing pot is that big of an issue? I'm not a smoker (ahem...anymore), but I think that that's most overemphasized and overrated issue there is. Pot is no worse than alcohol (in fact I think it's less dangerous).

*begins building canoe in anticipation of the forthcoming trip to Boobie Island*

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[Drorain]

Boys &amp; Girls I'll be ballooning to boobie island that way I can arrive in the most appropriate manner....a huge inflated BOOBY


For sandbags I'll use all the bras I stole from GDF girls and fill em with sand, you wont need the bras anymore since they are now made illegal on booby island




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