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omnimutant
08-07-2004, 07:00 PM
Hi all first post. I got some venting to do.

It's 2004 almost 2005. This is not what I expected the future to look like. It seems to me that nothing has really changed much in design in the past 4 or 5 years except that technology made it easier to make every thing much tighter, more profesional, and alot easier to do. Now with new technology one would expect more freedom to explore new avenues. More time to play, so to speak. Unfortunatly everything I see is just extremly safe. What I mean is that so much design I see now is so devoid of life, soul and meaning that it's boring. No one seems to be taking chances like they used to. Nothing realy impreses me any more.

I know that much of this has to do with the simple fact that in most corporate enviroments the key focus is the top dollar. 'Safe' design keeps it simple and reaches out to the broadest audience possible. This in turn makes more money for the company and everyone is happy. Even when I look at design that is supossed to be on edge, it's really not. Much of the edge comes from the product or name rather then the design it self. It's almost like we could write litte programs and just let to computer do all the work. Push a button, drop in a scan run xxx batch file, call it done.

Maybe I'm not looking in the right places but I see it every where and when I try looking for somthing new, engaging, taking a chance, I just cant find it. I think we need to put the Art back into graphic design. Simple placement of said picture with apropriate text does not a designer make. If that were the case then any one would be a designer, and we would be obsolete. It's quickly coming to this too unless we take a stand.

Maybe we need to Stand up to our clients and say this is what you want but Look what I can give you. If they dont like it, then move on and find someone who is excepting to your stlye. Not the verse. We may starve a bit, but eventually things will have to change. Style as I see it is almost gone. Theres no way to tell anyones work from anyone elses.

Honestly when you got into graphic design did'nt you think 'This is gona be really fun! I can be creative and get paid for it!'? Well maybe we need to start living that dream. I too am guilty of this as well. Bowing down to my every clients needs, I feel like a slut somtimes, or maybe a butler for thier top dollar. Yea so what If it's not the Professional atitude, to strech out and get crazy with design. If I were just in this for the Money, I'm sure there are alot better paying things I could get into.

OK Rant over. Now that this is off my chest I feel a bit better :) Carry on and thx for listening to me gripe. :)

Oh before I forget, could we please despence with 'cleaver' cheesy tag lines in advertising?

Post Edited (omnimutant) : 8/7/2004 2:25:23 PM GMT

Big Perm-dizzle
08-07-2004, 10:26 PM
welcome omnimutant

all I can say is 'just do it' or 'we will leave the light on for you' or 'is it in you?'

I might be a shallow person but this whole take my art or leave theory is kinda crazy...I like making money and having nice things....if I have to design a crappy business card for a plumber crap I dont care.....as long as I have a paycheck..... I am not an artist and I graphic designer my work HAS TO SELL OR I DONT EAT

BUT when a clients says be creative then balls to the walls be creative we arent gods hell most of the time when I tell people I like web design they are like 'shoot I can make websites its not hard' this profession is not a glorified thing but its what I want to do and its how I put a roof over my family's head.

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Post Edited (Big Perm!!!!!) : 8/7/2004 5:31:46 PM GMT

Keyare
08-07-2004, 10:28 PM
Ha! Welcome to the GDF.
You'll fit in just fine!

Set the whales free!

ylaenna
08-07-2004, 11:01 PM
It doesn't really bother me, but I guess I haven't given it much thought. ... Ok, I've given it more thought and it still doesn't bother me. I'm making money doing something I enjoy — that, to me, is a very good thing! Ideally, I wouldn't have to work at all and my life would be spent slapping oils on a canvas and travelling the world. But that isn't my reality. And no, I don't want to starve. I like having the financial means to enjoy the rest of what life has to offer. If that means I lack a certain Artist's Pride or Artist's Dignity, well I guess that makes me a picture-placing, text-manipulating sell-out. That's ok. What matters to me is I'm happy. :)

<<Style as I see it is almost gone. Theres no way to tell anyones work from anyone elses.>>
It's like in the music industry — much of today's 'original' music is actually yesterday's music sung by different voices. Maybe all the creativity that sprung from the Renaissance has neared its saturation point, if not reached it already. So many great minds have been born since the dawn of time that new and truly original ideas are fewer and farther between now. That doesn't bother me either. It's just the way it goes.

Some might think I don't care enough. I say I do care, just not about this. To each his own, eh?

By the way, welcome to the forum, om. :)

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paulrandfan
08-08-2004, 08:25 PM
I am in advertising design, and believe me man, I feel you. I create incredibly innovative eyecatching stuff, and I get shot down all the time. I'll send you some of the ugly sh*t I've had to put together. I have learned though that I can be very manipulative, and I can talke people into doing pretty much whatever I want to. Try to sell them on why this is better, use examples of highly successful design...and just make sh*t up...

'To Design is much more than simply to assemble, to order, or even to edit; it is to add value and meaning, to illuminate, to simplify, to clarify, to modify, to dignify, to dramatize, to persuade, and perhaps even to amuse.' --Paul Rand

PrintDriver
08-09-2004, 02:06 AM
Go into showbiz dude.
Lots of room for creativity there.
TV, Theatre, Broadcast Advertizing...
Tough ladder.
Think fast.

PrintDriver is a large format digital print dude. His advice/opinions may not apply to the 4color/offset/web world of printing

BuckarooB
08-09-2004, 03:10 AM
BuckarooB said...
Welcome Omnimutant - I'm not reading very clearly today - hangover or stroke, not sure which, but I think I may agree with your frustration on the slow moving nature of the future. It always appears much like today.

When I was a kid, I was promised by most of the grizzled old-timers I knew in this industry and others that I'd be living on the moon, mars or Mongo within a few years - certainly by graduation from transportal academy. Can't tell you how disappointed I have been with the art world, the world of Graphic Design, the world of travel, video, music, caring, healing - everything in general.

Like you I was expecting -

www.zzpop.com/portfolio/portfoliosite8.html (http://www.zzpop.com/portfolio/portfoliosite8.html)

- and it's not happened low these many years. In an effort to deal with the disappointment, I've resorted to Wine, Women and Song - or more accurately Margaritas, Redheads and Jazz - preferably in proximity to our Temporal Cyclotron and the SA River-Walk (which is still a tourist attraction even in our century).

Long story - Short: buy good quality shoes while waiting for Godot, they'll last while you're waiting for the continuum to recharge and the style will come in and go out over time, which should prove entertaining to an artist such as yourself.

Oh, and give up caring and arguing with clients and the other mondanes that come to your door and get into something with fun and money and a future in it such as real estate investing or welding. One of the GDF group has decided to become an electrician and that is likely a very good decision for him and others. GD carries Too much pain considering it will all prove useless in just a few more years.

Sadly, the only record we have of any of the people who lived in your contemporary era is in the form of data we were able to recover from some very old and dusty servers dating back to the early 21st century. From what we've been able to piece together from these records is that not much has changed except, of course, for our occasional ability to break across the temporal void in what has, thus far, been a futile attempt to save some of you from the pain ahead...

Good Luck to all of you.

Salude

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