creating a booklet HELP !!

[PuR HART]

sorry totally newbie ?
I am creating a 20 page booklet not including the front cover and back.
ok so my inlets or what ever they are called the pages on the inside how do i set them up in indesign?
The document when folded/closed is going to be a 5x7.
so do i create a 20 page doc that is 10x7 or do i create a 20 page doc that is 5x7s.
Also how do i number them? I did it so that ID puts the numbers in there from the master. but when it goes to print i am tripping and want to make sure my graphics and text go in the right order.
thanks for the help.
I just am tripping because i have heard that forgive me if i am wrong but when laying out books/booklets the paging goes like 1 and 8 and 2 and something is that correct. someone please steer this lost soul in the right direction. thanks a lot

[jimking]

Lay off the LSD and you wont trip.:eek: This is a saddlestitch book? How is the book going to print, offset? If yes to both, just make a 20 5x7 single pages in spreads, (reader spreads not printer spreads). The printer will impose the job for you. In your document pallet the pages will be in numerical order.

[PuR HART]

JIm I am going to get it stappled not sure what you mean by saddle stitch or offset as I am totally new hahahha but what you said makes sense about just laying it out reader style and let the printer arrange them the way they are numbered. thanks
I think I understand you correctly. please correct me if I am wrong

[Vectorized]

You can also paginate this booklet yourself, by using InBooklet SE in your InDesign program (not sure if CS1 had this option, but CS2 does). Go to File>InBooklet SE and follow steps. If you'd like more info, you can go to your help engine and type "impose" in the search. It will only pull up about 5 results, and just go from there! Yes, your local printer can do this (I work for a printer), but you may avoid additional art charges by doing it yourself... all depends on your printer. Another thing to remember on saddle stitch booklets (which means it gets stapled in the middle and folds in half) is that all pages must be divisible by 4 if you don't want any blank pages (2 on the front and 2 on the back). Your 20 pages are fine, of course. You can always do a mockup to test yourself too. This was the "old" way of doing it. Take 5 sheets of paper (they don't have to be large) put them together, and fold them in half. Number the pages 1-20 as you open them. Now, when you take them apart, you'll see how page 1 is across from page 20, page 2 is across from page 19, etc.

[jimking]

You can also paginate this booklet yourself, by using InBooklet SE in your InDesign program (not sure if CS1 had this option, but CS2 does). Go to File>InBooklet SE and follow steps. If you'd like more info, you can go to your help engine and type "impose" in the search. It will only pull up about 5 results, and just go from there! Yes, your local printer can do this (I work for a printer), but you may avoid additional art charges by doing it yourself... all depends on your printer. Another thing to remember on saddle stitch booklets (which means it gets stapled in the middle and folds in half) is that all pages must be divisible by 4 if you don't want any blank pages (2 on the front and 2 on the back). Your 20 pages are fine, of course. You can always do a mockup to test yourself too. This was the "old" way of doing it. Take 5 sheets of paper (they don't have to be large) put them together, and fold them in half. Number the pages 1-20 as you open them. Now, when you take them apart, you'll see how page 1 is across from page 20, page 2 is across from page 19, etc.
It would be a good idea to ask the printer who should impose the book. In my experience there's more labor involved working with files that were imposed by the client then by the printer for several reasons. For example, Preps which is one of a few imposition software programs printers use gives the printer the ability to create a template with numbered pages which allows the printer to drag and drop files into a running order. If the pages are rearranged then one has to move page files around, taking up time. Often times a client will step and repeat images across a large document page thinking this will save money when in fact the printer is going to run the job completely different to fit press, paper and count amount. This means the printer has to strip out and isolate one of the images and then reimpose adding more time to the job.

[PuR HART]

to both of you thank you so much Vectorized thanks a ton you explained it veyr well and Jim thanks man for the advice i will consult my printer as to if I am to set it up or have them. thanks again for being helpful

[Vectorized]

Ya, jimking, I agree - always a good idea to check with the printer first. We personally do not use any other pagination programs. The InBooklet SE plugin in InDesign is awesome though, if you're creating your booklet in that program to begin with. Either way, an artist can rack up art time by either not having the file prepared to create plates, or by attempting to paginate themselves (believe me, I know). That particular plug in (that actually comes installed with the program) is very reliable and won't mess up your text box flow. I can't speak for any other ones... I'll have to check out that Preps that you mentioned.

[PuR HART]

sorry real quick so do i create my document to be a 5x7 or 10x7 thnaks

[Vectorized]

5x7 in single pages... in numerical order.

[PuR HART]

rt on man thanks

[Vectorized]

PuR HART - check out the InBooklet thingy - tell me how it works for you... thanks!

[jimking]

Here's a little info on Preps, Vectorized.
http://graphics.kodak.com/global/product/workflow_data_storage/printing_solutions/production_planning/preps/default.htm

[Vectorized]

Thanks jimking!