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CamarotaDesign
04-18-2007, 06:25 PM
Ugh,

Sorry I havent been posting for a few days, guys, things are a little... hmm how should I put this..... not looking good at work.

Anyways, aside from the problems with the company, we have a new client I'm doing a logo for, and like all clients we get, he's a moron!!!!

So, I ask him what type of look, feel, or colors he is interested in using. and his response is "I want to see what you come up with" I try to ask him "uhh, look we I need a little bit of background here" and he basically blows it off like it's not important. Theres my first mistake.

I do a round of 6 seperate logos. All are very simple, very fast. Since I have no idea what the douchebag wants I just do as many different looking ones as possible that look decently aesthetically.

Did a mention he wants to have it ready to go within a week?

So, I get no response after monday till today. Idiot (thats the client's name) says he likes one but wants to add a screened image to it. (he means using transparency in a logo). I try to explain for a few minutes that is called transparency and why using transparency in a logo is a bad idea and that black and white and simple solid colors should be used. Idiot must have Adult ADD, because apparently, he can't follow along and keeps repeating, " But can I have the screen in it" a number of times, disregarding anything I say.

So now he wants to get off the phone after 3 minutes of conversation and fax me over what he is talking about. Oh awesome! fax me over a design with your hand scribbled transparency, Yes!!! (Faxing is also the best way to use transparency, right?!!!)

I give up on trying to explain this and just say, "Ok, yeah, I can do it. But can I get some feedback as to how the designs are looking, are they what you like, etc. etc?" Idiot's reply is "thats what I've been trying to to do for the last 15 minutes and we arent getting anywhere" So I'll fax it over.

15 minutes? oh really?

I didn't realize those 180 seconds I took trying to explain why transparency wont work have magically morphed into 15 minutes. Or maybe I was just lobotomized while on the phone and the last 12 minutes of conversation that you were telling me what you liked about the logo and what you wanted changed were erased from my memory banks. Go ahead, Idiot. Fax me your "screen" and I'll design your shitty logo, it will fit your company perfectly.

ARGH! I need a punching bag!

Patrick Shannon
04-18-2007, 06:36 PM
Ah...a "YCMMTYWIW." (You can't make me tell you what I want.) You're probably taking the right path on this and giving him what he wants (despite the problems he'll have down the road), not worth the frustration. There was a line in National Lampoon's "Vegas Vacation" (I think it was that one) where the redneck mother proudly says "Sometimes you got to let your kids make their own mistakes." I changed that to "sometimes you gotta let your clients make their own mistakes."

Sorry to hear about your company, my company isn't so hot right now either (corporate culture and ideals are destructive).

vtwin_gary
04-18-2007, 06:41 PM
post like this make me feel normal... 'cause i thought i was the only one that had this type of client.

good luck

reuber1
04-18-2007, 06:55 PM
Ah...a "YCMMTYWIW." (You can't make me tell you what I want.)
Wouldn't it be "YCMMTYWYW"? (You can't make me tell you what you want?)

Otherwise, this guy is an Idiot, so I guess it's not just a clever name. :p

jimking
04-18-2007, 06:58 PM
What's the problem with this logo? Just think outside the box. By the way, make it pop.:D http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26494

CamarotaDesign
04-18-2007, 07:11 PM
Dude, He didn't even give me the courtesy of overused and tired buzz words!! At least give me a whored out phrase, anything!!

This is literally what he said when I first contacted him about doing the logo: "It's completely up to you, I'm not going to discuss it"

If our company wasn't in such a crappy position right now and begging for clients, I'd have said "Ok, lets not discuss it, lets just make the logo invisible to represent the depth of your intelligence, you jackass."

Seriously, how do people like this run a business?

Virgo Nightingale
04-18-2007, 07:15 PM
"Hi, I'm out of ink, I can't print any of my jobs. I'll need to order more."

"No problem. When would you need it by?"

"It's completely up to you, I'm not going to discuss it."

CamarotaDesign
04-18-2007, 07:17 PM
oh I also wanted to mention that his company name plagarizes a very prominent government standard logo that you see on most appliances and energy consuming electronics that signifies it conserves energy.

I guess he got away with it because he added the word "solutions" and "inc" to it. But i'm guessing he'll be hearing from a US attorny one of these days.

jimking
04-18-2007, 07:20 PM
Give'm a completely transparent logo. First of its kind. See logo below..

CamarotaDesign
04-18-2007, 07:22 PM
It's a perfect fit!

John G
04-18-2007, 07:36 PM
It's all the rage! I do that one for clients all the time! pass the word! They all love it!

Typically
04-18-2007, 07:53 PM
Give'm a completely transparent logo. First of its kind. See logo below..

hahahaha that's amazing!

Patrick Shannon
04-18-2007, 08:10 PM
Wouldn't it be "YCMMTYWYW"? (You can't make me tell you what you want?)



Nope. "You (designer) can't make me (client) tell you what I (client) want." ;)

reuber1
04-18-2007, 08:16 PM
Oh, duhrrr. :D

I read it the other way
You (client) can't make me (designer) tell you what you (client) want.

jimking
04-18-2007, 08:24 PM
Or just givem the old WYSIWYG...What you see is what you get!

Mynock
04-18-2007, 08:27 PM
Give'm a completely transparent logo. First of its kind. See logo below..







Could I see that with a drop shadow?

CamarotaDesign
04-18-2007, 08:36 PM
Could I see that with a drop shadow?
Sure, here you go!

Exodus
04-18-2007, 08:37 PM
"I'll know it when I see it." :D

Craig B
04-18-2007, 08:47 PM
have you tried telling him, "I'll try to be nicer if you try to be less stupid."

By the way, do you have that 100% transparent logo as a vector file? ... because I need something that's not low-res.

budafist
04-18-2007, 09:06 PM
These clients, you just give them what they want. Well, I do.

frankster
04-18-2007, 09:28 PM
Could I see that with a drop shadow?

Here you go...

http://img455.imageshack.us/img455/3903/invisiblelogoys5.jpg

doubting_thomas
04-18-2007, 09:48 PM
lol

CatintheHat1
04-18-2007, 11:56 PM
Could I see that with a drop shadow?

And can you use comic sans on the first word and maybe Times on the second? And some gradients and bevels. Here, visit www.SomeEigthGraderMadeThisSite.moron and you'll see what I want.

mattmainster
04-19-2007, 12:21 AM
I believe almost all of us can sympathize. Always dealing with ridiculous customers with ridiculous reasoning running riduculous businesses.
Arggh.. They're ridiculous!

fredrich
04-25-2007, 12:15 AM
Just record and archive anything you say about transparency being stupid, make the logo like the client wants, and throw the archive in his face when it's f***up-time.