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D-Frag
04-24-2007, 06:44 PM
Anyone else heard about this? Einstein once said, without bees, mankind will only live for 4 years.... whatcha think peeps?

Worker bees take off
By Deborah Zabarenko
REUTERS NEWS AGENCY
Published April 24, 2007
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Go to work, come home.
Go to work -- and vanish without a trace.
Billions of bees have done just that, leaving the crop fields they are supposed to pollinate, and scientists are mystified about why.
The phenomenon was noticed late last year in the United States, where honeybees are used to pollinate $15 billion worth of fruits, nuts and other crops annually. Disappearing bees also have been reported in Europe and Brazil.
Commercial beekeepers would set their bees near a crop field as usual and come back in two or three weeks to find the hives bereft of foraging worker bees, with only the queen and the immature insects remaining. The worker bees that survived were often too weak to perform their tasks.
If the bees were dying of pesticide poisoning or freezing, their bodies would be expected to lie around the hive. And if they were absconding because of some threat -- which they have been known to do -- they wouldn't leave without the queen.
Since about one-third of the U.S. diet depends on pollination and most of that is performed by honeybees, this constitutes a serious problem, says Jeff Pettis of the U.S. Agricultural Research Service.
"They're the heavy lifters of agriculture," Mr. Pettis said of honeybees. "And the reason they are is they're so mobile, and we can rear them in large numbers and move them to a crop when it's blooming."
Mr. Pettis and other analysts have gathered outside Washington for a two-day workshop that started yesterday to pool their knowledge and come up with a plan to combat what they call colony collapse disorder.
"What we're describing as colony collapse disorder is the rapid loss of adult worker bees from the colony over a very short period of time, at a time in the season when we wouldn't expect a rapid die-off of workers: late fall and early spring," Mr. Pettis said.
Honeybees are used to pollinate some of the tastiest parts of the American diet, Mr. Pettis said, including cherries, blueberries, apples, almonds, asparagus and macadamia nuts.
"It's not the staples," he said. "If you can imagine eating a bowl of oatmeal every day with no fruit on it, that's what it would be like" without honeybee pollination.
The problem has prompted a congressional hearing, a report by the National Research Council and a National Pollinator Week set for June 24 to 30 in Washington, but so far there's no clear idea of what is causing it.
"The main hypotheses are based on the interpretation that the disappearances represent disruptions in orientation behavior and navigation," said May Berenbaum, an insect ecologist at the University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign.
There have been other fluctuations in the number of honeybees, going back to the 1880s, when there were "mysterious disappearances without bodies just as we're seeing now, but never at this magnitude," she said.
In some cases, beekeepers are losing 50 percent of their bees to the disorder, with some suffering even higher losses. One beekeeper lost 40,000 bees, Mr. Pettis said. Nearly 30 states have reported the disorder, with billions of bees simply gone.
Some beekeepers supplement their stocks with bees imported from Australia, said beekeeper Jeff Anderson, whose business keeps him and his bees traveling between Minnesota and California. Honeybee hives are rented out to growers to pollinate their crops, and beekeepers move around as the growing seasons change.
Honeybees are not the only pollinators whose numbers are dropping. Animals that do this essential job -- other bees, wasps, flies, beetles, birds and bats -- have decreasing populations as well. But honeybees are the big actors in commercial pollination efforts.
"One reason we're in this situation is this is a supersize society -- we tend to equate small with insignificant," Ms. Berenbaum said. "I'm sorry but that's not true in biology. You have to be small to get into the flower and deliver the pollen.
"Without that critical act, there's no fruit. And no technology has been invented that equals, much less surpasses, insect pollinators."

reuber1
04-24-2007, 07:04 PM
I heard about this last week on Bill Maher. Pretty damn scary. I've heard a myriad of things that could be causing it, but there's still some uncertainty it seems.

Riya
04-24-2007, 07:05 PM
Apparently it's only the honeybees that are affected by this. The other species of bees are still okay. That much being said, it's still a Bad Thing. Makes you wonder what other side effects are technology is having that be don't know about.

Typically
04-24-2007, 08:30 PM
yea this is some crazy stuff. those little guys do so much for us but we don't even think about it. i say we construct a giant honeybee out of cellphones. i heard that the frequencies of cell phones are throwing the little guys radar off and they can't find the hive again. i'm sure all the pesticides and other chemicals aren't helping any either but hopefully they can pinpoint what is wrong here.

mojoprime
04-24-2007, 08:41 PM
this is insane. yet there are people in washington, right now, who think global warming and climate change is a myth, or even a good thing.

i don't understand how you can be alive in this century, and still not think we're in trouble.

however, i was watching "planet earth" on disco last night, and during a commercial, bank of america said they had pledged something like $20 billion over the next few years:

http://www.bankofamerica.com/environment/

it's a start. not much, but all we need are for more of these fortune 500 companies to change the way they're doing business. and what drives that change?

consumers. sending emails, writing letters, buying products -- and not buying products. all about the commerce, but if green becomes the norm and not just a trend, we have a chance.

D-Frag
04-24-2007, 08:48 PM
someone brought up a good point in another forum I was on about the Cellphone myth, if that is truly the reason, then why has Asia not stepped forward with dwindling honeybees? they have more cellphones then any other country in the world.

something to ponder.

also, mojo, I agree with you, esp with the banks. I recently (a couple years ago) left wells fargo after 15+ years of being with them because of a check that was cashed in a wells fargo, but somehow took them 5 days to process, thus leading me to overdraft my account by $800. after fighting with several different heads at different banks they only reversed $300 of it. So I closed my account, went with Desert Schools and LOVE IT. After some research on banks, I recently found out that Wells Fargo alone, makes upwards of 80 billion a year on overdraft fees. that made me ****ing sick to my stomach, talk about beating someone when there down. anyways, I think all major fortune 500 companies should have to throw some change into the pot to make this planet better. Esp when you consider the CEO's of these banks are making more then most people can fathom, I just think its fair if they kick a little bit in to help the green.

<end rant>

Typically
04-24-2007, 08:52 PM
[quote=mojoprime]i don't understand how you can be alive in this century, and still not think we're in trouble.
quote]

the people that are in power now are suckin on big oil so they dont want to here about any of it

D-Frag
04-24-2007, 09:01 PM
read up on the Caspian pipeline, and of course haliburton and enron. shit like this just doesn't happen without years of plannin either..... okay.... here just read this...

http://www.john-loftus.com/enron3.asp

Jackimalyn
04-24-2007, 09:04 PM
apocolypse.

mojoprime
04-24-2007, 09:23 PM
it's gonna take the green movement to become mainstream, so that people do it without thinking about it. like calling someone on your cellphone or downloading music. you don't think about it, you just do it.

i saw a neat thing in one of the lawn and garden circulars in sunday's paper, that's a flowerpot made of peat. just plant the whole damn thing, water it and go.

that's what's needed. so that our disposable economy and society become sustainable.

kurt vonnegut: Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance.

SurfPark
04-24-2007, 10:42 PM
Don't mean to be the teacher here, but is there anyway to link this topic to design?

Patrick Shannon
04-24-2007, 10:49 PM
Honeybees don't tend to harm anyone unless you give them a good reason to and they do a good purpose. If there's one thing that needs to be wiped out, it's wasps. Most worthless insect ever to ruin you from opening a window or enjoying a nice day on the porch. They exist solely to annoy or attack.

PrintDriver
04-25-2007, 12:14 AM
asparagus and
You don't need honeybees to grow asparagus. It grows by runners and you eat the young stalks before it flowers...

I'm sure it's the cell phone towers. I've been blaming those for my apparent early onset of alzheimers...what were we talking about?

Seapony
04-25-2007, 04:18 AM
Don't mean to be the teacher here, but is there anyway to link this topic to design?

I can start a contes—er...friendly poster campaign to promote awareness of this (serious) calamity between us designers. The theme can be what you think is driving the honeybees away. I personally think its a combination of global warming throwing their "clocks" out of whack and the pesticides that are breeding some neurological issues in them.

I can infuse design in darn near any topic.

;)

Riya
04-25-2007, 06:24 AM
Don't mean to be the teacher here, but is there anyway to link this topic to design? If a lack of honeybees causes all of the crops to fail, humanity will die a slow death of starvation and there will be no one left to pay us to design creating an even bigger scarcity of jobs in the industry.



I personally think its a combination of global warming throwing their "clocks" out of whack and the pesticides that are breeding some neurological issues in them.
I'm going to blame daylight savings time.

captain spanky
04-25-2007, 10:15 AM
apocolypse.

it's the a-rock-alypse.

captain spanky
04-25-2007, 10:16 AM
i reckon aliens are stealing our bees. it's the ONLY explanation. :(

balou
04-25-2007, 11:46 AM
LOL Spanky! I thought of that too!

It's so strange that there are no bodies.

budafist
04-26-2007, 04:31 AM
They've probably just found an entrance into Narnia. They will be back no need to stress.

frankster
04-26-2007, 04:42 AM
it's the a-rock-alypse.

Are you Lordi's No.1 fan these days Spanky?

I think the bees have just gone on holiday. There's a cruise ship somewhere in the med that's got a billion bees aboard. Bzzzzzzz!!!

Samakimoto Graphics
04-26-2007, 07:11 AM
I read somewhere once that if insect population on earth were to be wiped out totally, life on earth as we know it would cease to exist within 7 years.

So I hope entomologists somewhere find out what the matter with the disappearing bee phenomenon, there's a likelihood that it may not only be affecting bees.

captain spanky
04-26-2007, 07:59 AM
I read somewhere once that if insect population on earth were to be wiped out totally, life on earth as we know it would cease to exist within 7 years.

i don't think there's much to worry about there seeing as there's over 1,017,018 species of insects in the world... and there's more than a couple of each... something like 37 times more insects than humans... but yeah... bees are noticable cos they;re big but what about all the mini insects? who's looking for them?

Red Kittie Kat
04-26-2007, 12:28 PM
i reckon aliens are stealing our bees. it's the ONLY explanation. :(


Where is Mulder and Scully when you really need them :)

Samakimoto Graphics
04-26-2007, 12:36 PM
On the upside, perhaps that new planet they discovered recently may be our only hope for suvival, being unstained by negative human activity...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6589157.stm

reuber1
04-26-2007, 01:08 PM
Where is Mulder and Scully when you really need them :)
Didn't Mulder die or something? I thought they had the T-1000 to take his place.

John G
04-26-2007, 01:38 PM
"They're the heavy lifters of agriculture," Mr. Pettis said of honeybees. "And the reason they are is they're so mobile, and we can rear them in large numbers and move them to a crop when it's blooming."

so.....

make more?

And no more Gov. funded enviornmental programs, or costs passed on to consumer business donations plz. My pay check is low enough already.
I'm also glad congress gets to hear about it. Luckily they will do..... something about it. :rolleyes:

Maybe California could help with the money by stopping the neutering squirrels program, replacing it with a pellet gun and using the money for something useful. dunno

Virgo Nightingale
04-26-2007, 02:25 PM
Didn't Mulder die or something? I thought they had the T-1000 to take his place.
That's when I stopped watching, so I don't even know. I think he was "abducted" or "in hiding" (aka Duchovny didn't want to renew his contract).

captain spanky
04-26-2007, 03:10 PM
On the upside, perhaps that new planet they discovered recently may be our only hope for suvival, being unstained by negative human activity...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6589157.stm

maybe THATS where all the bees have gone... dolphin style!
So long and thanks for all the JAM! :D

Typically
04-26-2007, 03:16 PM
Maybe California could help with the money by stopping the neutering squirrels program, replacing it with a pellet gun and using the money for something useful. dunno

no way do they actually do that?!

morea
04-26-2007, 03:17 PM
I wouldn't blame them if they had. Maybe Douglas Adams got it wrong and human beings are only the 4th most intelligent creatures on the planet.

John G
04-26-2007, 03:35 PM
no way do they actually do that?!
http://www.boston.com/news/odd/articles/2007/03/05/calif_city_tries_squirrel_birth_control/

so I was off a bit.. but still!! 0.o

Typically
04-26-2007, 04:07 PM
hahaha that's even better the squirrels can bang as much as they want now!

carter the artist
04-26-2007, 08:52 PM
This dilemma I've seen in a lot of different reads. In fact some theories speculate it has something to do with time/space warps... don't know about all that. However, I did find this:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070426/ap_on_sc/bee_parasite

D-Frag
04-26-2007, 09:08 PM
hey carter, ive always wondered, what are you holding in your hand in your avatar pic, it looks like a glass fish

carter the artist
04-26-2007, 09:11 PM
ma pistola, senior

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v458/carterartist/l_78bda8f11fbd687643dae1f1fa5bf6a2.jpg

D-Frag
04-26-2007, 09:54 PM
ahhhh coolio, thx for the clarification, now walk the plank matey!!! arrrrrr

budafist
04-26-2007, 10:37 PM
Mulder is busy with other things.

CNSFW. (http://www.anecdotage.com/pics/duchovny.jpg)

Ned
04-26-2007, 10:43 PM
Back on topic (sort of)... I think the bees left for our lack of appreciation for what they do to pollinate our crops and keep us fed.

Reminds me of, "So long, and thanks for all the fish!" :D

captain spanky
04-27-2007, 08:41 AM
Reminds me of, "So long, and thanks for all the fish!" :D

keep up ned.. i said something like that 10 posts back ;) :D

Ben Kessler
04-27-2007, 02:32 PM
The bees realized they could make a lot more money in cosmetics: namely, providing lips with that "bee-stung" look...

LeftBrain Artist
04-27-2007, 03:44 PM
I think the bees are being abducted by terrorists as part of an Al-Quaida plot to hold the world ransom for a hefty ransom - ONE HUNDRED QUADRILLION DOLLARS!

Or, it could be that this was inevitable - class struggle between the worker bees, or proletariat, and the bourgoiuse queens. Millenia of opression by the ruling elite couldn't stand forever - eventually apisian society was bound to polarize to the point where the heavily opressed workers could take no more, would rise up and cast off the shackles of serfdom imposed by the dogmatic machinations of the "queen", "empress", "czarina" or whatever title she decides to bestow upon herself. That's what we're seeing right now. The worker bees aren't gone - they're on strike!

morea
04-27-2007, 03:46 PM
yeah, no kidding! Oy vey, what's the planet coming to?

LeftBrain Artist
04-27-2007, 04:07 PM
Ha! I've got proof! AND I've tied this to graphic design.