Golds and Silvers

[calebm12]

I have a client that wants to use gold or silver as a color in a logo. I am having a dickens of time find a suitable swatch. Any ideas. I would really appreciate it.
Caleb

[Craig B]

As in Metallic gold or metallic silver?

PMS 877 for silver, 871 for gold ... of course they can only be used for offset and spot colors.

[calebm12]

i am sorry. How do i bring up that swatch in illy. I take it i can use the color for a stroke?

thanks

[morea]

^ these are actual metallic inks - they won't look the same on screen as they will print, and they will have to be printed as a pantone spot color - you won't be able to mix them from CMYK.

If I remember right, when printing the logo on letterhead or envelope, you will need to specify that the inks need to be laser safe (imitation metallic flake) or they can spark from the heat when going through a laser printer.

In illy you go to window > swatch libraries > pantone solid coated/uncoated (depending on what sort of stock you will be printing on) and choose them from there.

If you want to stick to an ink that can be reproduced with a CMYK mix, you can use a non-metallic pantone color. I'd recommend getting your hands on a pantone swatch book and choosing one from there. The colors will not look the same on screen as they will on paper. If you go visit a print shop in your area they will probably let you take a look at a pantone swatch book so you can choose colors from that. Bear in mind that pantone spot colors don't reproduce exactly when printed in CMYK either.

[Ned]

Click on the arrowtip in the top-right of the Swatches palette, and choose Open Swatch Library.

You can use that swatch on any stroke or fill, yes.

[calebm12]

i think this answers my question. i was confused cause onscreen the color looked different. however, if it prints different that answers my question. thanks for yalls help.

caleb

[tZ]

pantone is a offset process to add.

So if your printing digital the colors won't print as expected.

[fredrich]

When you want to print a Pantone color, do you say to your printer which ones is Pantone (and what code), or can they see this themselves from your swatch choice?

[SpugNothuson]

The printer will be able to see which colours you have chosen but you must also tell them that you want that Pantone colour printing out of spot, not CMYK.

We often get CMYK jobs with many, many Pantone colours specified in it. If you're after a Spot Colour then use it in the document AND tell the printer about it as well. Thats the safest way.

[Jam]

metalic's are a nightmare!!

You need to explain to your client that the cost will increase when you print them as you will be printing the standard colours and then the additional metalic.

When you proof your logo they will either need to imagine that the colour you have specified is gold or silver, unless of course you go to the extra expense of having your printer run off the designs for you, using the actual metalic colours chosen. You could take a swatch of the colour with you but again this takes a leap of imagination by the client to colour match the logo.

Where will the logo be used - stationary, newspaper ads, packaging and then there is the web?

Alternatively you can try and create a metal effect as a CMYK/RGB image that can be used anywhere - brushed metal with a shade to give that reflective effect.

[fredrich]

The printer will be able to see which colours you have chosen but you must also tell them that you want that Pantone colour printing out of spot, not CMYK.

We often get CMYK jobs with many, many Pantone colours specified in it. If you're after a Spot Colour then use it in the document AND tell the printer about it as well. Thats the safest way.

If you choose a Pantone color from one of the Pantone swatches in Illustrator, will this be a problem for a CMYK job?

Also, if say I get a certain Pantone code from a client, how can I apply this in Illustrator without manually checking through the swatches?

[doubting_thomas]

If you choose a Pantone color from one of the Pantone swatches in Illustrator, will this be a problem for a CMYK job? The color will almost certainly shift when the color space changes from spot
to process. There are no true metallic colors in CMYK either, only simulations. I'm
not sure that I understand your other question.

[Mynock]

Silver and gold
Silver and gold
I'd rather have GDF than silver and gold
No fame or fortune
Nor riches untold
I'd rather have GDF than silver and gold

Don't give me a mansion
on top of the hill
Don't give me the world
with a shallow thrill
But just give me a saviour
My life GDF can hold
I'd rather have GDF than silver and gold

I woke up this morning
Feeling kind of down
I called on my best friend
She could not be found
But I called on GDF
My life GDF can hold
I'd rather have GDF than silver and gold

For unto us a forum is born
A son is given
I'd rather have GDF
What profits a man to gain the whole world and loose GDF's soul
I'd rather have GDF
For there's no other name given under heaven
Whereby we must be saved
I'd rather have GDF
He's the only one that can save you
I'd rather have GDF than siver and gold

[morea]

what a beautiful tribute, Mynock. :D

[fredrich]

The color will almost certainly shift when the color space changes from spot
to process. There are no true metallic colors in CMYK either, only simulations. I'm
not sure that I understand your other question.

Didn't quite understand my question either when I think about it. :p

[jessicam]

Also, if say I get a certain Pantone code from a client, how can I apply this in Illustrator without manually checking through the swatches?

I think you mean, how do you find the right swatch to apply? I change the swatch pallete to list view and sort it by name, I think, and then you can just scroll to the right one. No hunting with the mouse pointer.

Hope that helps. :)

[fredrich]

I think you mean, how do you find the right swatch to apply? I change the swatch pallete to list view and sort it by name, I think, and then you can just scroll to the right one. No hunting with the mouse pointer.

Hope that helps. :)

Correct. Just wondered if there was a way of "searching" after a specific Pantone swatch, instead of manually finding it in the list.

[budafist]

My list is in number order. It's manual, but you get better at knowing where colours are. Metallics are at the bottom.

[doubting_thomas]

I thought you could just enter the Pantone number into the search field
on the swatch pallete, hit enter and it went right to the correct swatch.
Is this what you're talking about, or am I 3 beers too far in the night? I guess
there's the CS2 bug...

[o1jersey]

hi, you ask for help on how to get gold or silver. try this if it will work. Depending on the package you are using, mix colours that is, 60% of Yellow, 20% of magenta and 20% of black that gives you Gold. Try this and give me the reply.
segun

I have a client that wants to use gold or silver as a color in a logo. I am having a dickens of time find a suitable swatch. Any ideas. I would really appreciate it.
Caleb

[kfh_king]

i dont know what to say but i have use a shade of yellow with a style to get the gold effect befor try that simple