There are people still using Quirk Excess???

[billdakelski]

Indd is the bomb, get with it, before your forced to in haste.

[hewligan]

Well, some people like it. I can't say I understand why, but they do.

And some organisations have very expensive established workflows that rely on Quark and can't afford the millions of dollars to switch platforms.

Quark's not going away anytime soon, so I very much doubt that anyone's going to be forced to switch.

[Ned]

I guess it's largely in what you get used to. I also know many illustrators who are hung up on Freehand.

Quirk Excess... *snicker* Thanks for the laugh!

[Patrick Shannon]

Quirk Excess... *snicker* Thanks for the laugh!

See...see? People are already forgetting the name :D

[PrintDriver]

Where is that dead horse beating stick. I know I left it someplace. Probably that Mac/PC thread over there.... I'll be back. }:]

[hewligan]

Where is that dead horse beating stick. I know I left it someplace. Probably that Mac/PC thread over there.... I'll be back. }:]

The difference is that beating this dead horse is still funny :D

[jimking]

It seems half the files I receive are Quark files. Also I update Quark files dating back to the 90s constantly.

[doubting_thomas]

Out of 100's of clients, we have one that uses Quark. Last month the other
one bought CS3. I've heard Q v7 isn't too bad, but I can't justify buying it, or even
upgrading at this point.

[frankster]

The difference is that beating this dead horse is still funny :D

I now have an awful awful mental image of you actually beating a literal dead horse and laughing like an hysterical super villain.

[hewligan]

I now have an awful awful mental image of you actually beating a literal dead horse and laughing like an hysterical super villain.

There's no need for mental images, I'll send you the photos later ;)

[sweet*pea]

Do you think it will be an issue, once I start my career in about 2 years, that I have never even seen Quark?

[urstwile]

Hmmm, that's a tough one, sweet*pea. I'd say odds are pretty strong that it won't be an issue, but a lot of that is going to depend on what type of job you end up looking for.

I'm thinking it's still a little early to rule Quark out as a big player in the page layout game, if for no reason than the large numbers of legacy files out there that people will still want to retain and repurpose.

So I'd say that if you can gain at least a working knowledge of Quark, even if you prefer InDesign, you'd still be doing yourself a favor.

Two years off is kind of hard to predict, so much can happen in that amount of time.

[Drazan]

technology generally evolves itself approximately every 18 months. What you know now may not be lost, however expect to learn more once you get out into the field. There's nothing like hands on training.

The newspaper here uses Quark and is prerequisit for every application from add layout to web.

We use InDesign (CS2).

If you understand the principles of a layout program, I don't think that it would be too hard to switch from one to the other given a little grace period.

[urstwile]

If you understand the principles of a layout program, I don't think that it would be too hard to switch from one to the other given a little grace period.

I completely agree with this Drazan. Having worked with Quark for years, but also Illustrator and Photoshop, when we switched to InDesign, I had about a week of adjustment before I was flyin' around the shortcuts in InDesign without a qualm.

Quark's interface is significantly different than InDesign's, but the basic principles of what you want to do with a layout program are all still there, it's just a matter of remembering where they are.

[Virgo Nightingale]

I still use Quark every day. That's what the files are in at work. They have years and years of old files in Quark that we still make revisions to today. We have InDesign as well, and we use it when a client provides us with an ID file. I try to use ID at home when I have personal projects to help me learn it and get used to it. I know I will need it someday. Like urst says, the programs generally do the same things, just in different ways. I do agree that you can do more in ID. It probably is easier too, but I'm so used to Quark that it's just easier for me.

[sweet*pea]

Thanks for all your advice! I will have to see if there is a computer around the Art building that has the program on it so I can play around.

I know InDesign very well, and I had heard that if you knew that program Quark was easy to adjust to.

Thanks again!

[Ned]

Most people go the other way, migrating from Quark to InDesign. :D

[jimking]

[QUOTE=Ned]Most people go the other way, migrating from Quark to InDesign. :D[/QUOTE

Don't forget Microsoft's Word and Publisher and the all time favourite, Pagemaker!!!:eek:

[Ned]

Oh yes, I remember Pagemaker. :D

[Typically]

pagemaker haha i haven't seen that program in a long time. i learned quark in school but really haven't used it to much since. i use indy at work (which i never used before i worked here :D ) like other have said its a layout program so with a little time you can get used to it. a trip to borders for a few hours to read up on things doesn't hurt either

[Virgo Nightingale]

Pagemaker... *shudder*

I actually applied for an internship with a company that used Pagemaker. I'd never even seen the application before, so I downloaded a pirated version just to learn my way around at least a little before the interview (don't worry, I deleted it afterwards!). I screwed up the sample test cause I couldn't figure out how to do what I needed to do, they called a week later saying they'd decided not to offer the internship in the first place. I can't say I was too sad.

[jimking]

I still work on Pagemaker files. If the designer knows what they were doing everything usually works out ok but it's clunky because of peoples bad habit of embedding tons of graphics which half the time were rgb etc. making it harder to trouble shoot the slob.

[Ned]

Yeah, the biggest problem with pagemaker was the uneducated masses behind the keyboard, not so much the program itself...

Publisher and Word, on the other hand, you can blame a lot on the actual application.

[Drazan]

I learned on Pagemaker 5 and Illy 3 (I think maybe 4) way back when and on a very slow computer. ;)

[icekitty37]

we arent being taught it in school because it is apparently being phased out? i havent ever used it. and i think thats fine... im a creative suites gal!

[jimking]

we arent being taught it in school because it is apparently being phased out? i havent ever used it. and i think thats fine... im a creative suites gal!
Yes I think it is phased out, not a bad thing. People on the cheap will pick up Publisher to replace it, not a good thing.

[sweet*pea]

we arent being taught it in school because it is apparently being phased out? i havent ever used it. and i think thats fine... im a creative suites gal!

I work with creative suite in school as well.

Last summer I did some brochures for a small company in my town. They were using Publisher. Using that after working in InDesign was a nightmare! I offered to do them in my programs and PDF them, but they wanted to be able to make changes. They didn't look that good... but they liked them. :rolleyes:

[PrintDriver]

Part of the design challenge is not to feel limited by the tool you are made to work on. Even an Etch-a-Sketch can produce amazing art in the proper hands. Transcend your software, grasshopper.

[urstwile]

Even an Etch-a-Sketch can produce amazing art in the proper hands.
Like this. (http://www.gvetchedintime.com/#)

[downy]

The more programs you know, the better your job prospects are, so learning Quark can't hurt. Spending 7 years in prepress was the best thing (and possibly the craziest thing) I ever did, because I learned how to deal with all sorts of files... Two color business card designed in Excel? No problem!

[CkretAjint]

Spending 7 years in prepress was the best thing (and possibly the craziest thing) I ever did...


Amen! Going on year 3 right now.... we use Quark XPress everyday here at work. I have suggested using InDesign, but you would think I am trying to get people to sell their kidneys on the black market everytime it is brought up... I guess certain people just don't like change!

[Piscosour]

PageMaker, Publisher?.. nobody mentioned Ventura

[jimking]

PageMaker, Publisher?.. nobody mentioned Ventura
I remember Vertura years ago............................................... ........:eek: