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CkretAjint
06-27-2007, 04:58 PM
One of the designers here at work designed this for a restaurant renaming we are doing. He created the logo in photoshop (raster) and then tried to get the sign company to make a 10' sign from it. They laughed at him and asked for vector art work. So guess who had to rebuild it in Illustrator....
We also tweeked it a bit since he was unhappy with some of it (the 's', and some of the 'n'). Hence the difference between the 2.
This is the final, just showing off it since it took so long ;)
Original:
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1416/639078631_54b3f04814.jpg
100% Vector image:
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1410/639078675_ad86cab440.jpg
THANKS FOR LOOKING! :D
chongo
06-27-2007, 05:53 PM
I don't think it's ugly - knots is hard to read, but you already knew that! You did a nice job recreating it in Illustrator!
PrintDriver
06-27-2007, 05:56 PM
Snots!?
What a great name for a bar and grill.
:D
You still have a gradient in there but if you don't mind a little bit of possible banding it'll print ok. Don't ever ask your sign guys to do that in vinyl. LOL!
Edit: I just knoticed the fuzzy drop shadow...Applied that as an Effect, right? Not a filter, right?
You could get closer on the color matches...
Speaking of colors, do you have all that in PMS? Are you going to ask the printer to match all those colors? $$$
Craig B
06-27-2007, 05:56 PM
I think Knots was easier to read on the original with the thicker liens and darker background, but nice recreation considering what you were given as a starting point.
PrintDriver
06-27-2007, 06:00 PM
Your rope has all one stroke thickness. Yawn.
Look closely at how the rope is done on the original.
CkretAjint
06-27-2007, 06:21 PM
Edit: I just knoticed the fuzzy drop shadow...Applied that as an Effect, right? Not a filter, right?
Correct.
Speaking of colors, do you have all that in PMS? Are you going to ask the printer to match all those colors? $$$
No PMS colors, only CMYK. Another reason it sucks IMO.
Your rope has all one stroke thickness. Yawn.
Look closely at how the rope is done on the original.
The artist requested all one thickness of rope so it appears to be more 'real' (his words not mine)....
Thanks for the feedback so far!
typographics
06-27-2007, 07:00 PM
Snots!?
Don't ever ask your sign guys to do that in vinyl. LOL!
why do you say that? they would simply print it on vinyl and have a plotter cut it out.
Normandy
06-27-2007, 09:06 PM
In my day I have had to vectorize some pretty crappy stuff. However I have been very proud of my vector job. And when I showed them to people all proud of my work, they just didnt understand what I was so happy about. "Do you understand how long this took!?" "And it still looks like crap."
Sometimes you are all alone in with your feeling of accomplishment, and vectorizing someone elses crappy design all ways seem to put me there.
Good work with what you had to work with.
Nice translation into vector...although I do also like the original "K".
I dont really like the logo as such, but have to say its very well made, great job turning it to vector aswell!
mattbing
06-27-2007, 10:20 PM
I like the logo... and although I'm not sure of application or how it's being created. If it's wood why not go the extra and have the "Knots" made out of actual rope? That'd make it all the much better
CkretAjint
06-27-2007, 10:22 PM
I like the logo... and although I'm not sure of application or how it's being created. If it's wood why not go the extra and have the "Knots" made out of actual rope? That'd make it all the much better
It is rope. It is rather hard to draw rope and texturize it with vector shapes...
Made 100% in Adobe Illustrator CS2.
Craig B
06-27-2007, 10:22 PM
I like the logo... and although I'm not sure of application or how it's being created. If it's wood why not go the extra and have the "Knots" made out of actual rope? That'd make it all the much better
The OP mentioned he rebuilt it in Illustrator as vector art, so using actual rope's not an option.
budafist
06-27-2007, 10:42 PM
Good point about the K looking like an S PD. The bottom leg of the K needs to stick out a bit more to match the raster version.
If you did have to use a photograph of rope, there's always livetrace.
Now don't be hating on livetrace. It does a good job sometimes.
Craig B
06-27-2007, 10:49 PM
LOL Buda.
Livetrace does a decent job for basic things. I use it a lot for vectorizing quick sketches and writing ... detailed art and photos, not so much.
budafist
06-27-2007, 11:46 PM
I actually love the way livetrace replicates the thick and thin of lines that I've drawn in pen. You get an aesthetic that you just don't feel with drawings that have lines all the same thickness.
mattbing
06-28-2007, 12:42 AM
It is rope. It is rather hard to draw rope and texturize it with vector shapes...
Made 100% in Adobe Illustrator CS2.
Ahh fer fu......
No when I say use rope I mean use actual rope on the sign! Like real genuine 3D, vinyl,hemp,cotton f'ing rope!
Think outside of the Adobe CS box.
budafist
06-28-2007, 12:58 AM
Good idea Matt! Sure, the sign could be constructed out of rope, pieces of wood. A flat vinyl sign just wouldn't do it justice!
PrintDriver
06-28-2007, 01:00 AM
why do you say that? they would simply print it on vinyl and have a plotter cut it out.
Pfft. That's a sticker. Sign vinyl, ie cut vinyl in colors. Something that lasts 7 to 8 years outdoors. Not printed vinyl. Printed vinyl with a die-cut outline is not what I consider sign vinyl. It's a die-cut print. And it might last 3 outdoors. Maybe.
CkretAjint
06-28-2007, 01:03 AM
No when I say use rope I mean use actual rope on the sign! Like real genuine 3D, vinyl,hemp,cotton f'ing rope!
Think outside of the Adobe CS box.
That would be nice! But, this is a street side sign, and due to the location and local city laws it can't be a sign like that. I know tell me about it.... That would be so freaking cool!!!!!!!
Buda, I agree, Live Trace does have its place within the design industry. Plus it is lots of fun to fool around with when one is bored at work! :)
typographics
06-28-2007, 03:25 AM
Pfft. That's a sticker. Sign vinyl, ie cut vinyl in colors. Something that lasts 7 to 8 years outdoors. Not printed vinyl. Printed vinyl with a die-cut outline is not what I consider sign vinyl. It's a die-cut print. And it might last 3 outdoors. Maybe.
nah, it should last 3 years minium if not longer. of course, thats assuming it is laminated and not baking under the sun 14 hours a day.
that said, it would be cheaper to print that logo three seperate times in the span of 8 years than it would to make it once in solid vinyl.
PrintDriver
06-28-2007, 10:22 AM
It might last 3 years outdoors. Maybe. I haven't seen one yet that hasn't had noticeable fading in a little over 2 years (usually the magenta fails first). Depends on what you can live with.
Not only do you have to reprint the thing, you have to reconstruct the sign, hire a sign crew to go out and replace that sign, along with possible permits and police details. You have to consider more than just the cost of the print. Unless you plan on doing a cheesy billboard stretch for your long-term sign.
First off...it's not 'ugly'. At least not to me.
Second...very nice job on your end 'vectorizing' it. I'd say overall you did a fine job. Yeah, the 'rope-lettering' isn't quite like the original but it works. You could have invested a lot of time in making it closer to the original, but I think what you have is not bad. Coming from someone who loves to 'vectorize' stuff I can certainly appreciate the time you put into this.
I would have loved to do that job...while tedious, it would've been very fun!!
Keep up the good work!!
kar-po
07-03-2007, 03:12 AM
I agree with YNOT -- it would have been fun to recreate that (though it might have also entailed a lot of hair pulling for me)