Leave the showcase thread for showcasing not crits, All in favor???? [Archive]

AlexNJ210

07-17-2007, 06:02 PM

Ive been thinking the Showcase thread is not properly used. I know the gallery is for photography, but i think its important to use the showcase as just that a showcase where work is shown not critiqued. Of course artwork is endlessly critiqued, however a designer chooses to be finished at some point, and i think its at this point that work should be displayed there.

I propose a new forum called The Chopping Block or The Drawing Board for users to go through the helpful critique process that goes on at the GDF. This will allow users to show their best work in an area that is easily accessible. I could serve as a kind of display case of FINISHED work by our native designers. Of course there could still be contests and the like but my intent is designating the two areas as separate because in reality they are quite different. I think it would be great to have the showcase looking more like a big GDF gallery without the cutting room floor stroon about.

Anyone else agree. If you do please post, if there is enough of a response Im sure our moderators would comply.

Morea im talking to you sweetie!!!!! :)

morea

07-17-2007, 06:04 PM

lol, I love you too, Alex... but this is definitely something that would have to be handled by our fearless admin - JPnyc. He's out at the moment, but I'm sure that he will check in when he returns.

Discuss away. :)

Virgo Nightingale

07-17-2007, 06:06 PM

I always thought of the Showcase forum as the place to go when you wanted something critiqued. In that respect, I suppose you could say it's misnamed...

AlexNJ210

07-17-2007, 06:06 PM

ok well then im talking TO YOU JPnyc!!!!! haha

Kool

07-17-2007, 06:08 PM

I would leave the showcase alone since it's been here since the beginning but I wouldn't mind a different forum for strictly showing off work. We moderators can't make changes of this nature it would have to be an admin and he's on vacation at the moment. If enough people want it he would probably do it.

Logo-Mechanix

07-17-2007, 06:15 PM

Maybe something like a gallery section or something, honestly though if I wasn't looking for a crit I don't think I wouod post it period. Other artist will undoubtedly feel the need to critique it regardless of the title of the thread unless we can somehow only allow people to post an image and no reply.

CkretAjint

07-17-2007, 06:16 PM

I always thought of the Showcase forum as the place to go when you wanted something critiqued. In that respect, I suppose you could say it's misnamed...

Bingo, took the words right out of my mouth. If the showcase forum is for SHOWING work only, where would we go for critiques :confused:

AlexNJ210

07-17-2007, 06:16 PM

i think it would be a unique addition, work that goes through the chopping block to completion earns the right to go to the showcase. Catch my drift??? It could give a little extra motivation to our designers and a fun way to interact with the forum. Not to mention the body of work that would become available for review and reference.

AlexNJ210

07-17-2007, 06:18 PM

Bingo, took the words right out of my mouth. If the showcase forum is for SHOWING work only, where would we go for critiques :confused:
Thats what i just proposed as an idea, a place to go for critiques.

07-17-2007, 06:22 PM

I view the showcase more as a place were I can receive recommendations on my process. It doesn't really do much good to say- its final- critique it- in my opinion. I would be all for it.

AlexNJ210

07-17-2007, 06:23 PM

woo hoooo!!!!!!!!!! 2 votes!!

morea

07-17-2007, 06:29 PM

I can see the advantage - sometimes you want to display a work that is already "complete" (tight deadline, or whatever). That's a different sort of thing than when you are actively seeking critiques to help you finish a work.

AlexNJ210

07-17-2007, 06:32 PM

~~~~~mind waves~~~~~

you will vote yes to a new GDF forum where designer's work will be sliced and diced into masterpieces!!!

AlexNJ210

07-17-2007, 06:40 PM

I think this will also get more attention to people who really want a crit by weeding out those who are just posting to hear compliments or simply to show off their new work. There will be less clutter and no one will get pushed out of the way.

AlexNJ210

07-17-2007, 06:55 PM

well, this idea died fast :(

Virgo Nightingale

07-17-2007, 06:58 PM

HOLY IMPATIENCE, BATMAN! :p

The thread's only an hour old, give the idea some time to sink in and get read by those in other parts of the world.

Gawd.

:D

AlexNJ210

07-17-2007, 07:02 PM

:o sorry

CkretAjint

07-17-2007, 07:17 PM

*revives this thread with positive vibes*

morea

07-17-2007, 07:22 PM

HOLY IMPATIENCE, BATMAN! :p

The thread's only an hour old, give the idea some time to sink in and get read by those in other parts of the world.

Gawd.

:D

lmao!

WannaBrie

07-17-2007, 07:49 PM

I think it would be good to have 2 seperate threads for showing and for crits. so one more vote!

Two-Toe Tom

07-17-2007, 07:57 PM

but what if you want to showcase something finished AND want critiques so you can see where you're at and perhaps improve next time.

John G

07-17-2007, 07:59 PM

carter the artist

07-17-2007, 08:34 PM

I think it sounded like a good idea, but I agree with John G. If you don't want critiques and you only want people to praise your work then just say you don't want crits....

But truth be told, crits are a great way to learn for your next work just as much as the current work.

PrintDriver

07-17-2007, 11:41 PM

Gawd, two threads to watch? Nuh uh.
You know people can't resist a critique opportunity. If you post yer art, you takes yer chances.

AlexNJ210

07-18-2007, 12:15 AM

yay! im actually getting votes. I feel all political like.......yuck. But i do want the GDF to be more enjoyable if it can be.

3 votes!!

AlexNJ210

07-18-2007, 12:18 AM

meh, they'd end up getting critiqued at some point even if they weren't "for critiquing". And honestly why wouldn't you want to make something better after it was finished for your portfolio (chances are you wouldn't be showing it if you didn't want it to go there).

Just put FINISHED WORK NO CHANGES at the top or something. Same effect (you'll still get critiques either way. I'd bet good money).

I think it sounded like a good idea, but I agree with John G. If you don't want critiques and you only want people to praise your work then just say you don't want crits....

But truth be told, crits are a great way to learn for your next work just as much as the current work.
i could easily take this mentality with any forum on here. According to you all i have to do to make a topic is say what i want from it at the start and bobs your uncle no need for forum designations. Lets just move everything to General but lets all be specific with our titling. Who needs organization?

frankster

07-18-2007, 12:22 AM

Kool

07-18-2007, 12:23 AM

i could easily take this mentality with any forum on here. According to you all i have to do to make a topic is say what i want from it at the start and bobs your uncle no need for forum designations. Lets just move everything to General but lets all be specific with our titling. Who needs organization?

Actually since virtually all regular members use the "New Posts" link almost exclusively, this is actually true. ;)

AlexNJ210

07-18-2007, 12:27 AM

I guess for me it's not a distinction between crit or no crit, but rather whether it's crit on a finished piece to take future work up a notch or crit on a work in progress to help the piece along. I would respond differently to those subjects. Often it's my fault for not reading thoroughly though :o
Thank you!!!! GAWD!!!!!!

This is an acceptable approach too. Of course people will express their opinions in the showcase, but the chopping block or whatever it could be titled would be strictly for works in progress, and if you put up work on the showcase and decide to make changes you could post a new thread in the chopping block of your progress with the changes....if you wanted to. Then put up the new piece on the showcase. It would make the showcase something much truer to its name.

AlexNJ210

07-18-2007, 12:28 AM

Actually since virtually all regular members use the "New Posts" link almost exclusively, this is actually true. ;)
im not going down without a fight i promise you.:cool:

balou

07-18-2007, 12:31 AM

I'll be the controversial one. I'm going to vote no. Why would you post a piece just for us to look at? To me it feels a bit like Stewart on Mad TV..."Look what I can do." Would you want the thread closed right after you post the image so that no comments could be made? Or would only positive comments be allowed? I say save that stuff for your online portfolio and put a link in your signature or in your profile if you want GDF'ers to see what you can do.

AlexNJ210

07-18-2007, 12:44 AM

earth to balou, youre not all that controversial at this point.

Two-Toe Tom

07-18-2007, 12:44 AM

Actually since virtually all regular members use the "New Posts" link almost exclusively, this is actually true. ;)

just realised there's a new posts link now :o

budafist

07-18-2007, 12:52 AM

But even if a piece is printed and delivered and you put it into showcase, you can still benefit from hearing what others have to say about a piece.

AlexNJ210

07-18-2007, 12:58 AM

But even if a piece is printed and delivered and you put it into showcase, you can still benefit from hearing what others have to say about a piece.
of course....it wouldnt be that people could not give their opinions, i would encourage that. My point is many times people post work just to hear what people think, to show off, to show a new style, this is what the showcase should be for. At the same time there should be a place where crits are expected and "invited". In other words you go into the forum knowning people are looking for constructive (or not) criticism and further in put on routes to different out comes or help finding ideas. The showcase could be a place to go for reference and the chopping block a place for feedback in a more direct sense.

AlexNJ210

07-18-2007, 01:04 AM

does everyone not understand the difference between visiting a finished work, and being part of a critical discussion on a work in progress?

PrintDriver

07-18-2007, 01:26 AM

Of all the forums on this board, the Showcase, no matter what it's name will be, is where most fires start. I'd hate for there to be two of them. I'm with Balou. Post your finished pieces in your porfolio. You can have a link in your sig. Because unless a thread is immediately locked there will always be someone with something to say about a piece, whether the comment is wanted or not.

hewligan

07-18-2007, 05:23 AM

just realised there's a new posts link now :o

Don't be embarassed, Tom - it took me the better part of 500 posts to figure that one out, too.

(Or, maybe I should be embarassed as well...)

Oh, and I vote No - for all the same reasons others have mentioned.

urstwile

07-18-2007, 07:21 AM

Initially I thought this was a good idea, but after reading some of the points raised, I've changed my mind, and I think I'm gonna vote no on this one.

However, what if we repurpose the thread (http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27667) that Carter started, as a central location for everyone to post their portfolio links into? I'd be happy to keep adding links, people could PM me with their info, and that'd serve the purpose, I think. Of course, I'm already kinda doing that anyway, so maybe it's not even necessary?

captain spanky

07-18-2007, 08:00 AM

i like the idea of the portfolio thread as being the 'gallery of what people can do' and i like the idea of keeping the showcase section as is. :)

AlexNJ210

07-18-2007, 11:11 AM

well...it started out as a good idea, but apparently its not going to fly with everyone. But at least ive got people thinking now.:rolleyes:

MikeTheVike

07-18-2007, 12:53 PM

The HOW forums have two subforums, but it seems like the "showcase" forum isn't posted in nearly as much as the "critique" forum. And I think the HOW forums have more members.

JPnyc

07-24-2007, 07:17 PM

What's the point of showing off work if not for critiques? Showing it off without getting appraisals of it would be defined as advertising, to me.

carter the artist

07-24-2007, 07:41 PM

What's the point of showing off work if not for critiques? Showing it off without getting appraisals of it would be defined as advertising, to me.

pretty much it is so there are aren't critiq/criticism but merely praise...

JPnyc

07-24-2007, 08:40 PM

Ah, got it. Well you have to take the good with the bad, that's life. For instance, we in the US live in one of the most affluent countries in the world with one of the highest and most comfortable standards of living, but we have a leader who can't pronounce "nuclear" (yet has access to it). Everything good has a downside.