Get your blood pressure pills handy...

[Red Kittie Kat]

You are gonna need em ...


Take a look at this :rolleyes:



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/7029892.stm

[Virgo Nightingale]

Are you pancaking kidding me?

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life.

[CkretAjint]

Oh. My. *****in. G*d. :eek:

[Red Kittie Kat]

I'm telling ya ... we are heading to hell in a handbasket ;)

[budafist]

It's not like they are even making money off them. Shouldn't radio stations and DJ's and other people making money off music be sued first?

[Red Kittie Kat]

It makes no sense

[reuber1]

So, if people play their music CDs or MP3 players loudly from their automobiles while driving through the city, are they all going to get sued? ****ing stupid.

[JgS]

So are they stealing radio stations, or playing stolen music?

[Virgo Nightingale]

It's not like they are even making money off them. Shouldn't radio stations and DJ's and other people making money off music be sued first?

Radio stations already pay performance rights agencys a fee for the use of the music. I don't know how DJ's work around that whole thing, perhaps D-Frag knows.

There's also the argument that having places like this auto shop play radio stations help boost musicians' income – a customer might hear a song on the radio while waiting for their brakes to be finished and say, "Hey I like that song, I'm gonna buy that album!" It's free advertising.

[jimking]

There can be no way the musicians like this. If the radio is playing commercials too how can they sue. It sounds like lawyers going after deep pockets to me and the music police can F@#$ itself with a big Rubber D&*()! :cool:

[AlexNJ210]

There's also the argument that having places like this auto shop play radio stations help boost musicians' income – a customer might hear a song on the radio while waiting for their brakes to be finished and say, "Hey I like that song, I'm gonna buy that album!" It's free advertising.

this is exactly what i thought, how much money do performance artists REALLY make off of the albums bought at stores....not a whole lot, its the recording studios and record companies that do. Thats who is really throwing a fit, the artists themselves LOVE the idea that everyone gets to hear their music. what faster way to get heard and gain popularity than by making your music easily accessible and reproducable. I love metallica, but i dont know why they have had such a problem with people getting their music, who knows how much money they have made, or how much popularity they have gained especially later in their career these days because of this media revolution? They certainly can't quantify it. Because of things like the internet, there are probably kids in Bangladesh rockin out to Enter Sandman. True to the name musicians would agree that the media revolution is the best thing to happen to the business, its just up to the companies to take advantage of the new trends, problem is that the public is moving faster than the companies can create the sales pitches and trends.

[reuber1]

All I can say is Go Radiohead and Nine Inch Nails.

[Red Kittie Kat]

^^^ Ditto

[MD]

You have to remember that UK laws are different than ours. In the states you are allowed to play a radio in the business as long as it is not transmitted to different rooms in the same building and it is free to enter (no cover charge). I believe D.J.'s get around this by the club buying a year long license to have music publicly played in their establishment. I think the license also includes live musicians performing cover songs.

[Ned]

The radio is broadcasted publicly. They paid for the rights already, and everybody has free access to it. So how can this be possible?

[AlexNJ210]

uh, now wheres the UK laws in that one?^^^

[jimking]

The radio is broadcasted publicly. They paid for the rights already, and everybody has free access to it. So how can this be possible?
Right. If they play commercials also, what gives--No, you can not hear that song in public but of course you can listen to the commercials. :confused:

[hewligan]

Don't bet the UK law is that different to yours... (http://www.unhappybirthday.com/)

[MD]

I am not saying that our copyright laws are any better but in this case they are different.

In the UK, any business that broadcasts music—even if it's commercial, publicly-accessible radio—must obtain a license to do so, according to the MCPS-PRS web site. Of course, customers who accidentally overhear the radio being played by a Kwik-Fit mechanic could just as easily go home and turn on the same radio station within the bounds of British copyright laws. Conversely, the American Society of Composers, Authors, and Publishers allows businesses to play publicly-accessible radio or TV as long as the transmission is being received by a single unit (and not broadcast from room-to-room) and there is no admission charge to enter the establishment. In other words, the mechanics' actions would be permissible in the US, but not in the UK.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20071008-the-next-copycrime-making-hearable-rings-up-200000-copyright-suit.html

[AlexNJ210]

o my god.

[budafist]

I believe D.J.'s get around this by the club buying a year long license to have music publicly played in their establishment. I think the license also includes live musicians performing cover songs.

Who is this license paid to?

[MD]

Who is this license paid to?

While I am not 100% positive I believe it is the RIAA.

[hewligan]

No, in the US it's ASCAP (http://www.ascap.com/). Elsewhere in the world, there'd be some equivalent.

[MD]

Good call Hewligan.

[budafist]

So clubs play money to this org. What about cafes? restaurants? restaurants/bars? Where do you draw the line? When people come specifically to listen to music?

[D-Frag]

You have to remember that UK laws are different than ours. In the states you are allowed to play a radio in the business as long as it is not transmitted to different rooms in the same building and it is free to enter (no cover charge). I believe D.J.'s get around this by the club buying a year long license to have music publicly played in their establishment. I think the license also includes live musicians performing cover songs.

kinda true, for state laws, you have to get a license to have public performances at your venue, but that only covers state laws and only applies to live music. DJ's (at least EDM DJ's) have it pretty easy, see our industry strives on EDM DJ's playing "producers" music, and its actually encouraged.

When I put out new demo's or promo's (promo's show what i can do in a studio mix, demo's show what i can do in a live setting) i send the producers of the tracks I used an email or message on myspace and send them the link to the tracklist and any other info. As long as I put in writing who is on the mix (who the producer was of each track), its usually fine to use for a mix. I have gotten tons of feedback from producers from all around the world totally excited that I used one of there tracks in my mix.

But again, I have to stress that our industry (the underground dance community) is pretty lax on who uses what. Now if I were to turn around and start selling any of my mixes, then yes, I would have to send a written letter to each label of each song on my mix and ask for permission to use it for resale, at that point they arrange royalties (if any) and you go from there, which is the #1 reason why alot of DJ's don't sell there music. We are semi protected under the fair use act since it is for public performances but once you sell your stuff its a whole different ball game.

Don't know how many forum members are actually into EDM, but you may remember Fat Boy Slim getting into some hot heat because he used cuts or samples of old dingy records he bought from thrift stores and the like, took them home, chopped em up, resampled em and used those samples in his newest mixes. Well needless to say once Fat Boy Slims music hit the airwaves and national radio, these nobody artists started asking why they didn't get paid for the clips used. It comes down to some funky copyright laws, almost like in GD where you can use a portion of something as long as its altered to a certain degree. Fat Boy Slim didn't wanna pay the lawsuits, so he released a cd containing all of the original music that he initially used on his previous CD. That's where this album came from...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Break_from_the_Norm

:D

[PrintDriver]

A DJ who spins at, say, a wedding rather than underground does have to get an ASCAP license. Usually you can get a blanket license. Same goes for a band that plays cover songs. Or a club that plays CDs between gigs. It isn't the venue's responsibility to pay the fee for the bands who play there. It's a yearly fee. Or it used to be. Could be quarterly now.

I heard of a local community theatre who got nailed by ASCAP using more than so many bars of any one song during the course of a non-musical play (pre-curtain, intermission music, and exit music especially). Even worse, another theatre group got nabbed by R&H for videotaping a musical and broadcasting it on their local Cable channel. They never recovered financially and folded. Lucky for the Board of Directors the group had incorporated, protecting the Board members from being brought into the case as well. This was probably 20 years ago. The Contract Police have been around for a very long time.