Indesign: 2pg doc, color issue

[Ovaltine]

OK, I tried searching here, I tried the help InDy's help...

that said, I have a 2 page document in InDesign, the problem is that each page's color setup is somehow different.

One page is apparently RGB, the other is apparently CMYK. I don't know why, and I don't know how to make them the same.

The color files used are drawing from the same source, I've even copy/pasted to double check, still the same result.

At first I thought it was just a preview error, so I pdf'd the file and took the file to the printer, the pages printed different colors (from the pdf). When the file was printed from Indy, it printed fine.

I still need the pdf to be correct though, so it downloads properly from my website.

Please help. I'm sure it's some silly button I'm not seeing, but it's irritating the life out of me. I had to take screen shots to show you, because when I opened the pdf file in Photoshop, the mix was the same (when I opened it in acrobat, the pages were different).

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/3440/indyprobzg4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[AlexNJ210]

is the source image RGB profile, but the settings in INDY cmyk?

[Ovaltine]

The logo is an Illustrator eps file (it previews RGB, but the color build is 44/85/0/0) and the other graphic was built in Indesign.

[AlexNJ210]

hmm, anyone else want to give this a shot? I have to think about it.

[PrintDriver]

Why do I want to say it might have something to do with Styles...
Check your InD Preflight and see what it says.
1 gig of ram died here on this comp last night so I'm not sure I can open InD - but will check.

[PrintDriver]

InD limps along. Try going to Edit Color settings and turning off color management and see what happens.
And I meant Masters, not Styles... but I can't work with the program to try to duplicate your error.

[Ovaltine]

Turned off the color settings, and exported the pdf, still 2 diff colors.

Did a preflight report, best I can tell, it's set up properly and the only reason it's sending rgb is because that's the way my (at home) printer accepts the files. Maybe I don't know what I'm looking for? here it is:

ADOBE INDESIGN PREFLIGHT REPORT
PUBLICATION NAME: JenniferGuthrieGraphicDesigner2007.indd
PACKAGE DATE: 10/12/2007 8:43 PM
Creation Date: 10/3/2007
Modification Date: 10/4/2007
SUMMARY
(Show Data for Hidden Document Layers)
Fonts: 5 Fonts Used; 0 Missing, 0 Embedded, 0 Incomplete, 0 Protected
Links and Images: 2 Links Found; 0 Modified, 0 Missing
Images: 0 Embedded, 0 use RGB color space
Colors and Inks: 4 Process Inks; 0 Spot Inks
CMS is ON

External Plug-ins 1
INBOOKLET SE.4X.PLN


Non Opaque Objects :On Page1


FONTS
5 Fonts Used; 0 Missing, 0 Embedded, 0 Incomplete, 0 Protected
- Name: Myriad-Italic; Type: Type 1, Status: OK
Filename: C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\Fonts\Reqrd\Base\wmi_____.pfb
Full Name: Myriad Italic
First Used on Page: 1
Protected: No
- Name: MyriadPro-Black; Type: OpenType Type 1, Status: OK
Filename: C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\Fonts\MyriadPro-Black.otf
Full Name: Myriad Pro Black
First Used on Page: 2
Protected: No
- Name: MyriadPro-Semibold; Type: OpenType Type 1, Status: OK
Filename: C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\Fonts\MyriadPro-Semibold.otf
Full Name: Myriad Pro Semibold
First Used on Page: 2
Protected: No
- Name: MyriadPro-SemiboldCond; Type: OpenType Type 1, Status: OK
Filename: C:\Program Files\Common Files\Adobe\Fonts\MyriadPro-SemiboldCond.otf
Full Name: Myriad Pro Semibold Condensed
First Used on Page: 2
Protected: No
- Name: TimesNewRomanPSMT; Type: OpenType TrueType, Status: OK
Filename: C:\WINDOWS\Fonts\TIMES.TTF
Full Name: Times New Roman
First Used on Page: 1
Protected: No


LINKS AND IMAGES
Links and Images: 2 Links Found; 0 Modified, 0 Missing
Images: 0 Embedded, 0 use RGB color space
- Name: QuiteGraphicLogo.eps; Type: EPS; Status: Linked
Filename: QuiteGraphicLogo.eps
Link Updated: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 3:49 PM
File Last Modified: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 3:49 PM
Actual ppi: Effective ppi:
Layer Overrides: N/A
Complete Name: C:\Jennifer Job Hunt Materials\Logos\QuiteGraphicLogo.eps
Link Profile: None
On Page 2
- Name: QuiteGraphicLogo.eps; Type: EPS; Status: Linked
Filename: QuiteGraphicLogo.eps
Link Updated: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 3:49 PM
File Last Modified: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 3:49 PM
Actual ppi: Effective ppi:
Layer Overrides: N/A
Complete Name: C:\Jennifer Job Hunt Materials\Logos\QuiteGraphicLogo.eps
Link Profile: None
On Page 1


COLORS AND INKS

4 Process Inks; 0 Spot Inks
- Name and Type: Process Cyan; Angle: 0.000; Lines/Inch: 0.000
- Name and Type: Process Magenta; Angle: 0.000; Lines/Inch: 0.000
- Name and Type: Process Yellow; Angle: 0.000; Lines/Inch: 0.000
- Name and Type: Process Black; Angle: 0.000; Lines/Inch: 0.000

PRINT SETTINGS
PPD: N/A, (Lexmark 1200 Series)
Printing To: Printer
Number of Copies: 4
Reader Spreads: No
Even/Odd Pages: Both
Pages: All
Proof: No
Tiling: None
Scale: 100%, 100%
Page Position: Upper Left
Printer's Marks: None
Bleed: 0 in, 0 in, 0 in, 0 in
Color: Composite RGB
Trapping Mode: None
Send Image Data: Optimized Subsampling
OPI/DCS Image Replacement: No
Page Size: Letter
Paper Dimensions: 8.5 in x 11 in
Orientation: Portrait
Negative: No
Flip Mode: Off

[PrintDriver]

Try turning off CMS (that's Color Management) under Edit>Color Settings and see what happens.

Edit: Sorry. Too much to drink. CMS is Color Matching system. I don't see anything jumping out at me in that log. <Maybe that's a good thing>

Someone else will have to give it a shot.

[Ovaltine]

Is this what you mean?

this is what I did, then pdf'd it and it didn't change anything.
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/498/cmsny6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[urstwile]

I'm not exactly sure what's going on Ovaltine, this is an odd one.

However, have you tried launching Bridge and synchronizing your Suite apps? The screenshot you posted shows that your Creative Suite applications aren't synchronized, maybe that would help? I can't be sure.

Why it would be different from one page to the next is beyond me, however, this is a new one.

[Ovaltine]

Great, I've stumped the experts.

I don't know how to use Bridge. I have it and have never opened it. Doesn't seem like that'd be the problem though, if that was it, I'd think the logo and the indy graphic would be different on each page, not the same on both pages with both pages being different.

[CkretAjint]

copy it into a new document or start over? Sucks I know, but might work *shrugs*...

[urstwile]

All you need to do is launch Bridge, Ovaltine, and then go to the Edit menu, and then choose to synchronize your suite settings (down near the bottom of the menu). That's pretty much the only time I ever use Bridge, actually. :D Plus I can't say that this is why you're having a problem.

By the way, unless you do a lot of web work, you might want to change your RGB space to Adobe RGB 1998. Not that this has anything to do with your current problem.

Does separations preview in InDesign give you any kind of a clue as to what could be going on?

[Ovaltine]

Sync'd the colors with bridge. changed the RGB profile. The separations appear fine. It did print correctly from Indy file, just didn't preview or print correctly from the pdf.

OK, something we did fixed the Indy preview, so I exported it, but it still exported wrong.

so, I tried exporting it again, checked the Output settings, set the color conversion to "convert to destination". I have no way of printing it now, however, the preview in acrobat now looks correct.

Thanks for all your help! :)

[urstwile]

Gack, curiouser and curiouser! :confused:

[Ovaltine]

There is one problem with this export though....the file used to export as a 74K document, now it's a 457K document. Ideas on how to shrink it? I already opened it in acrobat and told it to reduce the file size, it only dropped it by 2K.

[urstwile]

What's the ultimate purpose for the PDF, is it for final print or for web?

[Ovaltine]

I was wrong about the preview in Indy, it's still wrong (when the separations option is off), still don't know why.

I exported it again, and told it to export to RGB instead of CMYK. the file is now 78k...perfect for downloading off my website. Also kept the large file (which was exported as CMYK) so I can use it to print from (except at Office Depot which only accepts RGB files).

[bluekivi]

Is one image embedded and the other only linked?

[Danger_Mouse]

You mentioned the logo was done in Illy. What color mode is Illy in for the logo file (File/document color mode). This should be CMYK. If it's RGB its still possible to have CMYK colors in the logo, but you will have issues like you are having.

[PrintDriver]

But not if the same logo is placed on both pages. This is a weird one.

[urstwile]

Yup, that's the weird part of it, that it's the same logo, acting differently within the same document. Checking the package report, it looks like both are linked as well, so that wouldn't be the problem. Very puzzling.

[Ovaltine]

You mentioned the logo was done in Illy. What color mode is Illy in for the logo file (File/document color mode). This should be CMYK. If it's RGB its still possible to have CMYK colors in the logo, but you will have issues like you are having.

You were right, the logo WAS in RGB mode, I fixed that, now it previews in Indy the same as the other, but the graphic beside it (built in Indy) is still previewing as if it's RGB.:rolleyes:

[urstwile]

When you click that graphic, and then open the color palette, does it show you CMYK values or RGB values?

[Ovaltine]

shows me RGB on both pages for that graphic

[urstwile]

That would explain why it's previewing in RGB then. You should change it to match the logo. Click the flyout triangle in the color palette to switch the color space the palette is using, then edit the numbers to match the logo, if those colors aren't in the swatches palette already.

[PrintDriver]

Did you know that arbitrarily switching from RGB to CMYK after a document is created wreaks havoc in wide format? I don't know about plate but if you start seeing decimals in your numbers, best reapply your colors from the Library swatch palette, not your selected swatch palette.

[Ovaltine]

No decimals will be in this mix. it's 44/85/0/0.

Will try your advice Urstwile.

[Ovaltine]

That worked. Thanks for everyone's help. I guess that'll teach me to leave everything as default (which I tend to do until I have a problem).

Thanks again. :)

[urstwile]

Yay! Glad it worked out. :)