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Broacher
11-20-2007, 08:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj5IV23g-fE
Um... some coarse, but fittingly so, language.
Gawd, I'd love to see a big graphic designer make this same kind of clip.
D-Frag
11-20-2007, 08:47 PM
that was rad!
Broacher
11-20-2007, 09:11 PM
I bet if we all graphic designers chipped in ten bucks a piece we could hire that guy to do the same for us.
Harlan is really old school--but never an old fool. He was always one of the most sharpest minds in SF, even from his start as a pro (which goes way back! I remember reading his books when I was a kid!).
Does anybody feel better knowing that we're not the only creative profession getting hit hard by the massive market impact of 'amateur' spec?
Red Kittie Kat
11-20-2007, 09:11 PM
that was great :)
Mynock
11-20-2007, 09:17 PM
I've never heard of him so I think if we approach him with our idea he'd do it for free for us for the the publicity. You think?
morea
11-20-2007, 09:18 PM
I think that he might hurt you, Mynock.
Great clip, Broacher. Thanks for sharing.
Jackimalyn
11-20-2007, 10:35 PM
wow, he said it all. loved it.
PrintDriver
11-21-2007, 01:45 AM
so sad to have never heard of Harlan Ellison. He never was one to stand on ceremony. I still have most of his books of short stories. He used to tell of his contracts where he could write under a pseudonym of Cordwainder Bird. He'd use that if the publisher pissed him off. Called it 'giving them the Bird'. LOL.
Smart man. One of the last best writers of his genre (whatever that is and don't call it sci-fi :eek:)
fredrich
11-21-2007, 11:28 PM
"Youcangotothestoreandbuyitmother****er"
Haha, great stuff.
urstwile
11-22-2007, 03:49 PM
That was great. Harlan Ellison's been a long-time favorite of mine as well. I'm not sure what's wrong with calling his work "sci-fi" PD, I'd consider him to be a science fiction writer. :confused:
Broacher
11-22-2007, 03:58 PM
Sober second thoughts on this. Comes down to what you can get away with, your professional character-- and reputation. Harlan's got a real reputation for being not just forceful, but violent about protecting his work. (Check out his own recount of why he got expelled from university on his Wikipedia page!)
I think we all 'fantasize' about power spleen-venting from time to time, but let's face it-- few of us here have the 'cache' to pull it off and stay gainfully employed. And yet, un-vented frustrations can lead to not just personal disasters, but global scaled ones. You could argue that Hitler was just channelling a big hairball of frustration for the downtrodden German people in an easy to hear, easy to accept, simplistic flag waving. Hmm... have any other countries made similar 'mob-like' decisions when dealing with overly complex problems? Like, I dunno... terrorism?
It's so hard to resist a good rant. Politicians know this TOO well. But so do songwriters, writers, and all kinds of artists. Advertisers sure know this. You tap into the right vein of frustration and you have an instant hit.
But don't we have a responsibility to be very careful about pushing the shock and titillate button? Not just that we'll wear it out, but where does it lead? Brutality can be a simple solution too.
Just sayin.
PrintDriver
11-22-2007, 06:34 PM
For quite some time Harlan Ellison absolutely abhorred being called a Sci-Fi writer and he hates being classified that way in bookstores. He has quite the dissertation on it in the preface of one of his books of short stories. Not all of his stories are Science Fiction and yet the only section they put his books in is the Sci-Fi section (the abbreviated "sie-fie" bugs the crap out of him too).
He's always had the reputation he has for being the uh...irascible sort, and being who he is allows him to get away with it. He's damn good at what he does and he knows if he doesn't get what he wants from one publisher or entity he is working with, there is always someone else in line just waiting to pick him up. As Broacher pointed out, too bad we all can't have that luxury...
thecat@
12-03-2007, 02:33 PM
Gawd, I'd love to see a big graphic designer make this same kind of clip.
'big graphic designer' ... Do you mean like Paula Scher? (http://h30393.www3.hp.com/printing/paula-noflash.html)
Broacher
12-06-2007, 02:26 PM
Hokey smokes.
Corporate identity via template design being shilled by Scher?
Hey there Ms. Catherine. (Morea, Red Kitty and now 'thecat'? This place is becoming a hairball minefield)
So it's Thailand now, eh? Man, I get hungry just saying that. It's been a long time since you've graced these screens. Maybe you should step into the intro forum and do a recap-re-intro for the benefit of those who haven't heard your story. (And maybe you should include a map!)
Nice to 'see' you again and I hope you hang around a bit more this time.
thecat@
12-07-2007, 01:43 AM
Yup, she's in bed with HP and Logoworks. Sad.
I actually came into that one late. The HOW forums have been fussing about it for months. I only came across it when my google alerts brought this to me.
It's Time to Rekindle Your Hatred of LogoWorks (http://www.mediabistro.com/unbeige/branding_identity/its_time_to_rekindle_your_hatred_of_logoworks_7192 5.asp)
For the rest, not much to say beyond what I've already posted. The condo reno wrap (http://www.fastcoconut.com/condo/category/living-room-before-and-after/) took longer than I'd planned. Then there's been a steady stream of visitors to stay (more to come). Oh, and holidays. The Thais have an enormous amount of time to play during the year. And they want me to play too. It's hard work to find excuses not to play.