Help please

[gofel]

Hi guys

I am a newbi at doing club flyers, I have had a look at your guys designs and they are really nice, please could someone tell me which is an easy software to use to design flyers, and also is it possible to find templates of night club flyers that i can use?

Please help

Thank you

[CkretAjint]

Layout/Design Software? Adobe InDesign or QuarkXPress.

Templates? There is more than 1 way to skin cat, so you probably won't find flyer templates, ANYWHERE. By the time you edit the template and make it how you want it, you might as well have started from scratch.

[Broacher]

[click here to insert years of expert designer layout skills]

Now that'd be a handy template.

[frankster]

Aside from the obvious software required and talking to your printer about file set up issues, your approach as far as design goes is going to depend heavily on what sort of nightclub you are promoting. What's the music/genre/atmosphere/clientel base for the club? We have some great flyer designers on this board that have skills to aspire to. Unfortunately here at GDF, this area seems to be where we see the most blatent and anashamed stealing of other people's work also. I can think of at least 4 threads where people have been busted on this (3 of them were the same guy!).

[Crimson]

I have all my templates in my brain labeled experience. If you would like to hire me I could make the perfectly customized template that meets your need.

[Typically]

windows has the best design program built right into there OS. MS paint is the best layout/vector/photo retouching software ever made!!!

[GraphixNPrint]

windows has the best design program built right into there OS. MS paint is the best layout/vector/photo retouching software ever made!!!

HA HA ... now I have enjoyed my Friday morning laugh I can move on! :D

[JaCkinbOx]

Hire a designer instead. We get hungry and tire of feeding off of cup ramen and baked beans.

[graphicsmama]

I like ramen

;)

[teniworks]

Ramen w/hot sauce. Yum! :D

[John G]

As long as it's not the shrimp flavor.

[teniworks]

Nope. Only beef, chicken , or oriental for me. Isn't the salt content of Ramen some insane amount?

[halfbuiltrobot]

what is ramen?

[budafist]

Hi guys

I am a newbi at doing club flyers, I have had a look at your guys designs and they are really nice, please could someone tell me which is an easy software to use to design flyers, and also is it possible to find templates of night club flyers that i can use?

Please help

Thank you

Why would anyone want to use a template? Is it because you are totally uncreative and unimaginative? If so, it's probably a good idea to hire a designer. A template will not help you.

Ramen is instant noodles.

[halfbuiltrobot]

Does such a thing even exist?????

[halfbuiltrobot]

I think he means ready-made flyers that you drop your name and logo into, but you would still need the software to access these.

Not likely would be the short and polite answer

[tZ]

halfbuiltrobot wrote:

Does such a thing even exist?????


You must have never attended college

[budafist]

Haha like ones where you fill out a form:

Name of Event:
Name of Club:
Date:
Time:
Cost:
Sponsors: (and will automatically create new generic logos for sponsors or pull logos from Google for you)
Genre: (Pick one or more)

Genre choice gives you a choice of either:

a vector illustration of a dancing, underweight woman in a bikini
some grungey crest thing with a griffin and a unicorn on it and grenades and loud speakers
some camo based design with your uploaded DJ's face superimposed onto it and the contrast bumped up to be black and white only
Japanese style sun-bursts with some radio buttons of fun icons you want placed in the centre.AWESOME!!!!1

[JaCkinbOx]

Why would anyone want to use a template? Is it because you are totally uncreative and unimaginative? If so, it's probably a good idea to hire a designer. A template will not help you.

Ramen is instant noodles.

Well, it's worth considering that he doesn't have any design-oriented software at all. But frankly, I'd personally look at that as an opportunity to do it the old fashion way: do it by hand.

[Broacher]

Makes me wonder how Paul Scher's new design template business (via HP) is doing.

Likewise with all those template driven "make your own logo" web sites. If templates are bad design-- does that necessarily make them bad business too?

[poltek]

Why would anyone want to use a template? Is it because you are totally uncreative and unimaginative? If so, it's probably a good idea to hire a designer. A template will not help you.

Ramen is instant noodles.
I don't know what your problem is "budafist" but you've got a chip on your shoulder and you seem to be reveling in your negative comments to other users..

This one is a fine example. Just because a person is not well suited in the graphic design area doesn't mean they are uncreative or unimaginative. Do you honestly feel that way?.. Hell, if you really think that way then I'd highly suggest that you seem to be going along the lines of your very own statement regarding how 'uncreative' or 'unimaginative' you are.

[Kool]

poltek, Buda is entitled to her opinion just as you are entitled to yours. If you disagree then ignore her but don't follow her to other threads trying to start a fight.

[poltek]

poltek, Buda is entitled to her opinion just as you are entitled to yours. If you disagree then ignore her but don't follow her to other threads trying to start a fight.

You should be more than happy that I'm pointing out her bashings to other new comers.

There was no need for that, and just because she's been here for a longer time than other memebers doesn't mean she can just run around willy-nilly, she isn't a harmless school kid - so she shouldn't be treated as such.

[Kool]

As much as I appreciate your advice on how to run our forum I don't really need it. You're judging her based on two posts out of eleven some thousand. Buda doesn't think much of templates, most of us don't. Feel free to disagree with her and argue your point in your own thread. Otherwise just ignore her.

[Drazan]

Actually she's right. Most honest designers only user the structure template. Not a visual template.

A structure template is just the size of the paper and has guides or margins for gutters and bleeds.

A visual template in the course of professional design is not used. We as creatives will use our knowlege of typography, color, images and communication skills to portray a design as it best serves the client and end user.

"Making it look good" is not necessarily good design skills. There are many who thing grabbing the program and start placing things to what "looks good" is design. It's not. There's a whole thought process behind the end result. I know many artists who are completely fabulous at what they do, and yet can't design worth anything. They are two very different fields.

A few questions you need to answer in order to create your design.

Who's printing it?
What's it printing on?
What size?
How many?
How is it going to be posted?
How is the file going to be setup?
Who's the target audience?
What is the genre specific to?
What is considered acceptable design to that Genre?
What does the client want to include, and why?
Are there model shots and release forms?
Are there photos of the premises?
Do they have a printable logo?
Are the three above items in teh right resolution to print?
Do the prior have copyright releases to put in contract?
What colors best appeal to the Genre?
What colors best appeal to the mood of the event?
What typography would best convey the mood of the event?
What typography would best communicate the message text?
Can I get away with using effects without mudding the entire design?
When are effects too much?
What's the budget?
What's the timeline?
What's included in the contract?
Do I ask for a deposit?
What are my terms of payment?
Are original files turned over or just the finished print?
Did I bill for original files?
Is that in my contract?


I'm not kidding, there's many more decisions that go into making a professional design, whether a flyer, banner, car wrap, or catalog.

If you decide to use the "template" or "jack it and slap it" (using photos or images without permission), then you may actually get blacklisted in the design community. I've seen it done before, not pretty.

If you decide to start out on the right foot, stick around. We've little use for those who think design is just buying the programs, but we will help those who truly want to take teh GD profession seriously.

Now to answer your original question.
Use Photoshop for Raster images and use Indesign or Quark to do the final layout and text.

You can google examples of other club flyers but don't copy them. Instead draw inspiration from them and create your own original design.

If you take a look in the resources on this forum, you'll find a plethora of sites for stock images, photos, fonts, and tutorials.

Jade

[Drazan]

Also we are very "frank" in our opinions. We don't sugar coat anything. It doesn't do you or the community anygood what-so-ever. Don't take it personally, we only respond to the text at hand, not to affront you. Don't read more into the post than what's posted.

honestly in a professional opinion...why would anyone want to use visual templates. :)

Jade.

[poltek]

Drazan

I'm not sure why or what you're going on about but it's nothing to do with what I posted about.

Quite simply, the quote "Is it because you are totally uncreative and unimaginative?"

Telling someone they are uncreative or unimaginative isn't helping *anyone*, infact it's making her look very childish. Everyone is creative and imaginative, and posting such insane statements here, and the experience you would have thought she would have is quite baffling.

I was making sure atleast someone pointed out the insanity of her post.

What a shame she had to say such a thing, it's only making her look very amateur.

[Two-Toe Tom]

she didn't tell the OP he or she was unimaginative or uncreative, she was just asking if s/he was :p

[Kool]

You're not gonna let this go are you poltek. You've made your point, you don't like Buda because of what she said about your templates. Let it go. If the original poster want's to object to what she said to HIM then fine.

[halfbuiltrobot]

halfbuiltrobot wrote:

You must have never attended college


hehe, well thats what my tutors said too:)

Sorry I just have no interest in ready made work I like to be in control of the hole design

[PrintDriver]

Templates.
Cookie cutters.
A template created by a designer as a style sheet for a particular, singular job is one thing. Templates for download by the masses is quite another.

[halfbuiltrobot]

Templates.
Cookie cutters.
A template created by a designer as a style sheet for a particular, singular job is one thing. Templates for download by the masses is quite another.

well said

[budafist]

Phew! This thread got a bit heated while I was asleep. I didn't feel my ears burning, but maybe I should've.

I wasn't accusing anyone of being uncreative. I was suggesting that using generic templates for design work was uncreative. I'm not trying to bully you (or anyone else). Frankly, I can't see how I would benefit from it. If educating someone on industry standards of professional graphic design is called bullying, then maybe I'm a bully.

If you need a design and can't do it, hire a designer. Easy! Easier trying to find the perfect template and you can get exactly what you want.

Templates created for a client for a specific job is one thing. Example: a designer might create a template for a specific bar so that the bar's marketing person or owner can fill out this template according to the events they are holding. It makes sense as many of the elements may stay the same through from event to event for consistency. The design will not be generic or random. It will be thought out and designed to focus on the bar's unique branding and aesthetics.

Templates created for all advertising opportunities that exist is something else entirely. I can't see how that would work. If it did, then we might as well throw thousands of dollars of design education and thousands of dollars of software and hundreds of hours out the door.

[tZ]

Template for web work is one thing but, a club flyer…

[budafist]

Web work templates work as long as the templates are pretty simple. As long as you are happy with a pretty standard website too.

[poltek]

Phew! This thread got a bit heated while I was asleep. I didn't feel my ears burning, but maybe I should've.

I wasn't accusing anyone of being uncreative. I was suggesting that using generic templates for design work was uncreative. I'm not trying to bully you (or anyone else). Frankly, I can't see how I would benefit from it. If educating someone on industry standards of professional graphic design is called bullying, then maybe I'm a bully.

If you need a design and can't do it, hire a designer. Easy! Easier trying to find the perfect template and you can get exactly what you want.

Templates created for a client for a specific job is one thing. Example: a designer might create a template for a specific bar so that the bar's marketing person or owner can fill out this template according to the events they are holding. It makes sense as many of the elements may stay the same through from event to event for consistency. The design will not be generic or random. It will be thought out and designed to focus on the bar's unique branding and aesthetics.

Templates created for all advertising opportunities that exist is something else entirely. I can't see how that would work. If it did, then we might as well throw thousands of dollars of design education and thousands of dollars of software and hundreds of hours out the door.

Just because you have experience within the graphic design area, doesn't make you a professional graphic designer who is able to rant on at people about how "uncreative" they are. You were being provocative, like I said before, and that's way out of line.

If you're going to have an opinion in any topic, atleast have a fair one where you're not someone bigger than you are - or you're not trying to cause a reaction from other members.

[Kool]

poltek, I've asked you several times to let this go. This will be my final time.

Since the original poster has never even bothered to come back to check this thread I'm closing it.