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wallaby
03-09-2008, 10:25 PM
I installed Office 2008 on my Mac the other day, and noticed that the default font for Word isn't Times New Roman anymore...it's Cambria. There's a host of other fonts (oddly they all begin with a 'c')...what's your guys' take on these? It's kinda fresh to have an alternative to Times for body copy, but I'm not sure yet if I would bother to use these in anything outside of a research paper.
http://shapeshed.com/images/uploads/cambria.png
TeeJay!
03-09-2008, 11:31 PM
When we got Office 2007 at our school (PCs unfortunately) the font Calibri looked quite nice, but after a couple of months I got really tired of it. In Office 2007 I think the Cambria-font is default for headlines, if I am not mistaking. Looks quite good. However I now think of Times New Roman as better than Calibri, so I don't know how long these new fonts will hold
m00nwater
03-11-2008, 01:59 PM
All I have to say is...
*shudder* Times New Roman
Anything as an alternative to Times is always better. I suppose if you are just using it for Office it's good for readability, but I would never use Times for any sort of design, unless I was making fun of it.
TeeJay!
03-11-2008, 02:27 PM
I agree. Never said i LIKE Times, only that I like it better than Calibri. I would never use either of them in any kind of design other that quick notes in word.
m00nwater
03-11-2008, 03:35 PM
Ya, for sure. I think Times has a bit more readability for body copy, but I like Calibri better I guess because it's different.
PrintDriver
03-11-2008, 04:41 PM
So why don't you like Times?
Is it because of the letter forms and kerning pairs or because you think it is 'overused'?
wallaby
03-11-2008, 04:42 PM
Ya, for sure. I think Times has a bit more readability for body copy, but I like Calibri better I guess because it's different.
Yeah I don't mind different, but when it comes to serif typefaces I think I'll stick with Garamond and Baskerville for now.
ericamhc
03-11-2008, 06:54 PM
Ah yes, I am another one who is tired of TNR by now. Please, anything but TNR.
PrintDriver
03-12-2008, 12:34 AM
Spoiled designer-brats. :)
Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Not that I have a thing for Times in any form, I just believe that one should use the right font for the job, not avoid one because it has been deemed overused.
I have no preference as long as it isn't THE SERIF. Whoever thought up that family, and the other family of THE SANS, should be shot. Multiple times. Starting at the knees.
wallaby
03-12-2008, 01:09 AM
Spoiled designer-brats. :)
Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Not that I have a thing for Times in any form, I just believe that one should use the right font for the job, not avoid one because it has been deemed overused.
I have no preference as long as it isn't THE SERIF. Whoever thought up that family, and the other family of THE SANS, should be shot. Multiple times. Starting at the knees.
Well, I guess that just leaves us with THE SLAB-SERIF.
Nope, just scripts. And blackletter.
wallaby
03-12-2008, 01:30 AM
Nope, just scripts. And blackletter.
Thanks, I'm going to have nightmares tonight because of that...
budafist
03-12-2008, 04:49 AM
Trajan is one of those overused fonts that I still use if I feel like it is going to the best job for my piece.
jdd1510
03-12-2008, 06:31 AM
Ha, I actually do have a thing for Times. Come on, it's a classic!
Two-Toe Tom
03-12-2008, 07:36 AM
What's wrong with Times New Roman? I think it looks good. At least it's not that font you all seem to hate. :p
ericamhc
03-12-2008, 02:48 PM
Spoiled designer-brats. :)
True, one should use the right font for the job. Just seems like anyone who is skilled enough to understand that is necessary finds a better font to use then TNR. Hey, not my fault there are other "right fonts" out there ;)
m00nwater
03-12-2008, 03:13 PM
Yes, it is vastly overused, but there are plenty of other classic fonts out there that just are more visually appealing.
Helvetica is also an overused font, but can be quite helpful in some cases. I guess as designers we should be able to make ANYTHING work, even if it is below us :D
urstwile
03-13-2008, 07:27 AM
I generally agree with the notion that it's not the font's fault that it's overused, just like pit bulls, in the hands of the right person, are sweet dogs. I'm serious by the way, I've known crankier cocker spaniels than pit bulls. But I digress.
Unfortunately, Times New Roman has become so ubiquitous a font because of its default nature that it can't help but be perceived by the trained eye as a hack font, sort of the blue eye shadow of font styles.
m00nwater
03-13-2008, 11:18 AM
sort of the blue eye shadow of font styles.
Now that's some funny pancakes right there!
morea
03-13-2008, 11:36 PM
Lord. Have you looked at the font called Calibri? Holy terrible kerning.
I rather liked the shapes of the letters, but the spacing is terrible.
The reads as T he
It reads as I t
adding their read as addingtheir
I had to check and make sure that I hadn't actually put a lot of extra spaces into words.
Maybe I'm being naive, but that would be the way the font is built, not the fact that I'm using open office instead of MS word, right?
urstwile
03-13-2008, 11:59 PM
Yup, sounds like something fubar in the font metrics, either that, or Open Office completely disregards any kerning pairs that might be built into the font. Powerpoint seems to have the same trouble, I've noticed.
morea
03-14-2008, 12:00 AM
crazy. It makes me laugh to think that I probably never would have noticed before I started studying typography. :D
wallaby
03-16-2008, 02:01 AM
I generally agree with the notion that it's not the font's fault that it's overused, just like pit bulls, in the hands of the right person, are sweet dogs. I'm serious by the way, I've known crankier cocker spaniels than pit bulls. But I digress.
Unfortunately, Times New Roman has become so ubiquitous a font because of its default nature that it can't help but be perceived by the trained eye as a hack font, sort of the blue eye shadow of font styles.
I don't think this is necessarily true. When used in conjunction with a good header font, TNR works well enough. It is the most readable font for body copy. Shunning it just because of overuse is like stabbing yourself in the face just because you're tired of the same thing in the mirror every morning (some people can handle that I guess, e.g. Sagmeister).
urstwile
03-20-2008, 04:36 AM
I have nothing against TNR, merely pointing out that its overuse brings up connotations in people's minds. When the place is right for it, it makes sense to use it.
Not sure I'd agree with it being the most readable for body copy, however.
Red Kittie Kat
03-20-2008, 05:14 AM
Just as a side note I am rather fond of Times in Italic ;)
I think it's because that is the typeset ball I got to use when I took typing on my PICA 25 years ago :p
MikeHun
03-20-2008, 02:18 PM
All this talk of defunct typefaces Hellvetica and THR?
We should have a poll as to what we are all designing
with at the moment.:)