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hlustnauer
11-12-2008, 08:18 PM
Ok,
So I am having a very frustrating issue....
I am creating a Marketing for some instore signage.
I am right justifying all of my text, each line of type is a different size, one of the lines is a number, the number is NOT aligning all the way right. I have tried different numbers and a different font (still same issue). I have also tried using the 'story' pallet, but it moves all the text in the text box, not just the one line I need to nudge to the right. I have also tried making a space to the Right of the number the negatively tracking it (this works when I LEFT justify things but NOT right justify).
*I am making over 500 signs so I need something that is consistent and easy (not a hard way to work around it.. like creating an extra character with no fill and negatively tracking it.. that works, but will not be a good thing for over 500 signs)
*my ultimate goal is to make these signs into paragraph styles so they are consistent.
PLEASE HELP..
Craig B
11-12-2008, 08:25 PM
Try playing with choosing from the top menu window/type & tables/story and adjusting your optical margin alignment. That should do the trick.
simplicity
11-12-2008, 08:27 PM
Put the 1 in it's own text box, and align it with the other text.
budafist
11-12-2008, 08:28 PM
Hmm...my fonts do that too. It seems to be worse with certain fonts but there are issues when right aligning numbers.
I'd be interested to see what people come up with.
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/4092/123xf9.jpg
hlustnauer
11-12-2008, 08:31 PM
Hi Craig,
Thanks for your reply, but i have tried story optical margin alignment and it just adjust the whole paragraph not the number only
Craig B
11-12-2008, 08:38 PM
Correct, it affects the whole text box, however, you could place the number in it's own box.
cornfed
11-12-2008, 08:40 PM
I accomplished it using indents. I guess this method would have to assume each number will be off by the same amount, which I'm not sure is the case, here.
My first two lines have an indent of .2839 while the numerical line has an indent of .1972. Not sure if that would solve your problem, but it worked for me!
Craig B
11-12-2008, 08:42 PM
Oddly enough it appears that the number 1 has the biggest issues due to it being "skinny" and I assume due to some mono-spacing perhaps for numerals.
hlustnauer
11-12-2008, 08:42 PM
The problem with placing the number in its own box is that I have over 500 documents and and they need to remain in one box for consistency and easy execution
cornfed
11-12-2008, 08:48 PM
Here's a larger version. I didn't realize it would come in so small!
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m120/cornfed_01/Picture1-2.png
Craig B
11-12-2008, 08:48 PM
Why do they need to be in their own box for consistency? You could still text link them, couldn't you?
They need to be 500 individual docs? Why not 1 doc with 500 pages for each "file"?
hlustnauer
11-12-2008, 08:51 PM
cornfed,
I tried doing this but it moves everything in the text box, and i can not adjust it line by line... how did you do that?
Craig B
11-12-2008, 08:53 PM
Just highlight that paragraph or place your cursor somewhere in that line/paragraph.
cornfed
11-12-2008, 08:54 PM
Select the lines you want to move. Then adjust the tab. Then select the line that will be set differently (in this case, the $1 line) and adjust it by itself!
Craig B
11-12-2008, 08:59 PM
Cornfed, I think you and I were separated at birth.
;)
hlustnauer
11-12-2008, 09:00 PM
Cornfed,
I'm sorry but I'm still a little confused...
Do i create a tab for each line? is there a difference between a tab and indent?
i tried selecting the number line and moved the right indent arrow but it moves the whole paragraph
Craig B
11-12-2008, 09:04 PM
Hlustnauer,
Set the whole box with your paragraph palette to a right indent of whatever number you want ... maybe .25 inches. Then click in the big number line (your $1) and try setting it's right indent to something less than .25 inches until it looks right. If that's not enough, bump up your initial indent number for the whole text box.
cornfed
11-12-2008, 09:21 PM
You do not ever need to hit the tab key. You only need to use the indent tool. The indent tool is the solid black arrow head on the end of the ruler in the tab box. Select your text and then slide the black arrow until it is where you deem necessary!
lol, CraigB!
hlustnauer
11-12-2008, 09:23 PM
It is still moving everything.
am i using the same button to move the one line (in the paragraph palette)?
im sorry im not getting it
cornfed
11-12-2008, 09:24 PM
hang on...
hlustnauer
11-12-2008, 09:29 PM
im going home for the day i will check back tomorrow,
thank you soo much for all of your help!
cornfed
11-12-2008, 09:37 PM
Here ya go. Hope this helps.
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m120/cornfed_01/Picture4.jpg
cornfed
11-12-2008, 09:38 PM
Sorry, the second line doesn't really show it very well!
garricks
11-13-2008, 01:50 AM
I'm having issues right now opening INdy, so I can't check. grrr. But make sure you're using proportional numbers, not monospaced...OpenType will work best.
That looks an awful lot like the signage for a certain retailer with a red and white circular logo... ;)
urstwile
11-13-2008, 02:00 AM
Using Cornfed's method, make sure each line has a paragraph return (the return key), not a soft return (shift key plus return). Otherwise, all the lines will be considered to be in the same paragraph, and the indents will apply to all of your lines.
Also, garricks' suggestion about OpenType is a good one. The default figure type for most Type 1 fonts is a method called "Tabular Lining", which ensures that numbers in columns looked lined up down all of the rows. Many OpenType fonts, however, have additional options for figures, what you want is called "Proportional Lining". For example, the OpenType version of Myriad Pro that comes with InDesign has both options, and they line up quite differently.
Tabular Lining:
http://i36.tinypic.com/nbx6is.jpg
Proportional Lining:
http://i37.tinypic.com/2q8dqp0.jpg
artgem1984
11-13-2008, 07:30 AM
This isn't an answer to the spacing problem, but an answer to consistency. Why not set yourself up with a 500 page doc, then set up where everything will go on your master page, then go to your main doc, and you can just change the info on each page to whatever's required, and there you go-everything in the same place!
Jonski3000
11-13-2008, 12:31 PM
Isn't "Right justify" something a know-nothing, suit-wearing, account-handling scummer would say?
Call me old-fashioned, but isn't type either justified, ranged left (ragged right) or ranged right (ragged left)?
A question of semantics? No, not really!
edit by admin: Isn't this merely something an abrasive, overly self-satisfied, pedant would say?
Commenting on the language of others isn't necessary or welcome here.
cornfed
11-13-2008, 01:12 PM
Isn't "Right justify" something a know-nothing, suit-wearing, account-handling scummer would say?
I don't recall anyone asking for the Lord to step into this thread and deem the vernacular unworthy. The OP made his question very clear. I think that's all that was required.
Jonski3000
11-13-2008, 01:27 PM
I don't recall anyone asking for the Lord to step into this thread and deem the vernacular unworthy. The OP made his question very clear. I think that's all that was required.
What? I never said he didn't make it clear in this instance, especially since it was accompanied with a graphic. But it's still wrong. As a professional you should know the correct terminology for your job, even if it's just to stop the propagation of weasel words and incorrect phrases from know-nothing, suit-wearing, account-handling scummers.
Jonski3000
11-13-2008, 01:35 PM
Anyway, while I'm here.
Your method to range the text right with paragraph indents is the best way.
The reason it's not working for the OP? He (or she) probably has got soft returns in there like mentioned above!
cornfed
11-13-2008, 01:44 PM
Well then why don't you go ahead and take over assisting the OP since you obviously know far more about the subject than little ole me?
Jonski3000
11-13-2008, 01:55 PM
Touchy!! I actually paid you a compliment there! Go have a a nice cup of green tea... it'll all be better then! :D
hlustnauer
11-13-2008, 02:47 PM
I GOT IT!! YAY. I really appreciate all of your help.
Jonski, first of all I am a girl. Second I definitely don't wear a suit. Third, whether the term is correct or not does not really matter, that is what we have come to call it at the office so it got ingrained in my head.
Lastly, I think you have anger issues. Why not just be a good guy?
hlustnauer
11-13-2008, 03:32 PM
So sometimes when I do a hard return there is a Big space between the 2 lines and the leading will only move the lines together so much.
what am I missing?
Craig B
11-13-2008, 03:39 PM
You may have a "space before" on your paragraph settings.
cornfed
11-13-2008, 04:17 PM
Your method to range the text right with paragraph indents is the best way.
Thank you. I appreciate the legitimization that you have offered me as a designer.
I am not touchy. However, I do not appreciate someone coming into a thread and getting particular over someones terminology. It is ridiculous and petty on your part...not to mention a little narcissistic that you would think your way is the one and only. I do not take compliments graciously if they are offered at the expense of someone else. I think you need to go read this thread in its entirety and figure out at which post it started to go awry. I'm pretty sure that after a nice hot cup of tea the correct answer will jump right out at you.
hlustnauer, check to make sure you don't have a baseline shift, as well. Unknown baseline shifts always send me on a wild goose chase. Or what CraigB suggested. Lemme know what this problem turns out to be if you don't mind. I'm curious! I'll only call you names if you start first...I promise!
urstwile
11-13-2008, 05:59 PM
Isn't "Right justify" something a know-nothing, suit-wearing, account-handling scummer would say?
Call me old-fashioned, but isn't type either justified, ranged left (ragged right) or ranged right (ragged left)?
A question of semantics? No, not really!
Quite frankly, I've never heard the terms ranged right or ranged left. I've always heard it as ragged right or ragged left, and variations I've also heard, from know-a-whole-bunch, non-suit-wearing, non-account-handling professionals include left justify and right justify. Then again, I've only been doing this stuff for thirty-plus years, so maybe I'm still a noob.
Craig B
11-13-2008, 06:03 PM
Only 30 plus years? Ugh, you are a noob Urst. Hence why you have noob-ly appendages.
The bottom line is knowing the terminology is important, but there are several ways to refer to things. Even InDesign's tool tips for copy use the terms Left Align and Right Align.
Breathe in. Breathe out. Life goes on. There are much more important things to worry about. :)
Jonski3000
11-13-2008, 06:39 PM
Jonski, first of all I am a girl.
Did I not say "He (or she)"?
Why not just be a good guy?
Where's the fun in that? It's good to ruffle some feathers in a circle jerk! Try it, you'll like it... I guarantee!
think you need to go read this thread in its entirety and figure out at which post it started to go awry. I'm pretty sure that after a nice hot cup of tea the correct answer will jump right out at you.
Uh? Right! Not too sure what you're talking about there!
Quite frankly, I've never heard the terms ranged right or ranged left.
That'll be because they're used in that damn socialist hell-hole called Europe!
I've always heard it as ragged right or ragged left, and variations I've also heard, from know-a-whole-bunch, non-suit-wearing, non-account-handling professionals include left justify and right justify.
Doesn't make it right. Justified type is justified type - means only ONE thing. Do these "know-a-whole-bunch, non-suit-wearing, non-account-handling professionals" also use terms like imagineer and re-brief when they mean something else entirely?
The bottom line is knowing the terminology is important
Precisely!
Virgo Nightingale
11-13-2008, 06:44 PM
Jonksi:
http://www.forumspile.com/Chill-Pill.jpg
Continue this behavior and you'll be shown the door.
cornfed
11-13-2008, 06:44 PM
Where's the fun in that? It's good to ruffle some feathers in a circle jerk! Try it, you'll like it... I guarantee!
I'll choose to engage you no further. I'm glad you're having fun here. This forum isn't really about "ruffling feathers in a circle jerk!" so I doubt you'll last much longer.
frankster
11-13-2008, 06:48 PM
Thank you for pointing out the lack of correct terminology endemic in our vocabulary. I have taken a long hard look at the words I use and it seems that I have been wrongly calling people like you Douche bags, when I should have been using the correct phrase, "pedantic piss weasel troll-douche".
Jonski3000
11-13-2008, 06:58 PM
Jonksi:
http://www.forumspile.com/Chill-Pill.jpg
Continue this behavior and you'll be shown the door.
I really don't what you mean? I'm quite chilled. Seems to be other members who are getting distraught over their lack of understanding of industry terminology!
Thank you for pointing out the lack of correct terminology endemic in our vocabulary. I have taken a long hard look at the words I use and it seems that I have been wrongly calling people like you Douche bags, when I should have been using the correct phrase, "pedantic piss weasel troll-douche".
See what I mean? Outrageous behavior and language! Tut!!
Virgo Nightingale
11-13-2008, 07:03 PM
I really don't what you mean? I'm quite chilled. Seems to be other members who are getting distraught over their lack of understanding of industry terminology!
Because you're insulting them for using different terminology than you. It's rude and disrespectful.
Insulting an entire continent isn't exactly conducive to polite conversation either.
I really don't what you mean? I'm quite chilled. Seems to be other members who are getting distraught over their lack of understanding of industry terminology!
Dude... Everybody here thinks you're a jerk. Are you really sure it's just them?
Where's the fun in that? It's good to ruffle some feathers in a circle jerk! Try it, you'll like it... I guarantee!
Again... This is your intention. Are you really sure it "seems to be other members"?
Jonski3000
11-13-2008, 07:09 PM
Because you're insulting them for using different terminology than you. It's rude and disrespectful.
And name calling isn't? Bizarre!
Insulting an entire continent isn't exactly conducive to polite conversation either.
Please can a Mod edit the post and insert the above?
Dude... Everybody here thinks you're a jerk. Are you really sure it's just them?
Really NOT that concerned... Ned! :D
Exactly what I'm talking about Jon.
On another note...
Now, I only read the last couple pages in this thread, but I see you're harping on people's lack of usage of the term "ranged right" and "ranged left". I have never heard anybody use those terms, and I fail to see how this can be the "standard" terminology if nobody uses it. Doesn't that defeat the meaning of the term "standard"?
So why the hell are you insisting that we all need to learn the "correct" terminology? Maybe you need to learn the terms that people in the industry use?
Sheeze what got into jonski today :rolleyes:
I gave him a week off to decide if being a dick is what he really wants to do.
seamas
11-13-2008, 08:24 PM
Never heard "ranged right", or "ranged left" either.
I've always used tight or left justified as well.
I confess I didn't go through the whole conversion from fine art to graphics under the auspices of the Orthodox high priests of Graphic Design, so my word usage and recitation of typographical hymns isn't as blessed as others. I have sinned.
For pennance I'll say sixteen Lorem Ipsums and vow to stop stealing sheep.
I'll admit I don't know everything, but I know far from nothing.
I also don't wear a goddamn suit.
Virgo Nightingale
11-13-2008, 08:32 PM
Never heard those terms either. Some standard. :rolleyes:
FWIW, I say justified left and justified right to mean which side gets aligned. If I just say justified (no left or right), I mean to imply that it's both sides that are aligned. If I'm wrong, thirty lashes with the whip for me. IMO, as long as the person I'm talking to undermeans what I stand, it really doesn't matter. If it does, sue me. :D
cornfed
11-13-2008, 09:07 PM
Sorry one of your first threads went this way hlustnauer. We really are nice people!!
Trolls are bound to pop up on any forum at one time or another. ;)
frankster
11-13-2008, 09:17 PM
We really are nice people!!
I'm not. Sometimes I'm so horrible that I have to fake having torrets ;)
Yossarian
11-13-2008, 09:20 PM
I'm not. Sometimes I'm so horrible that I have to fake having torrets ;)
I'm pretty sure you actually mean Tourette's Syndrome. That's more correct. :p *runs*
frankster
11-13-2008, 09:23 PM
****er!
JPnyc
11-13-2008, 09:24 PM
Did I not say "He (or she)"?
Where's the fun in that? It's good to ruffle some feathers in a circle jerk! Try it, you'll like it... I guarantee!
Uh? Right! Not too sure what you're talking about there!
That'll be because they're used in that damn socialist hell-hole called Europe!
Doesn't make it right. Justified type is justified type - means only ONE thing. Do these "know-a-whole-bunch, non-suit-wearing, non-account-handling professionals" also use terms like imagineer and re-brief when they mean something else entirely?
Precisely!
You don't get to decide what's good or acceptable here, we do. I'd like you to consider this an official warning. Cease "ruffling feathers" or fly to another nest. Thank you.
garricks
11-13-2008, 11:15 PM
Sorry one of your first threads went this way hlustnauer. We really are nice people!!
hlustnauer, I second cornfed. I hope your question has been properly answered.
FWIW, to me it's not the terminology, it's the communication that's important. Does the other person understand your message? Then you've properly communicated, whether it's "ranged," "ragged" or "justified."
PrintDriver
11-13-2008, 11:37 PM
While terminology is important, there may be many terms for the same thing.
This from Prepressure.com
justified text
Lines of set type that align on both their left and right hand sides. The alternative to justified text are ragged right, ragged left and centered.
They don't list the term 'Ranged'
Neither does my 1992 Pocket Pal
It occurs to me that 'Ragged' and 'Ranged' only differ by a letter. Maybe someone is operating under the shadow of some long ago typo? :)
urstwile
11-14-2008, 01:37 AM
Doesn't make it right. Justified type is justified type - means only ONE thing. Do these "know-a-whole-bunch, non-suit-wearing, non-account-handling professionals" also use terms like imagineer and re-brief when they mean something else entirely?
No, they used to work on Linotype hot metal type machines before the days of phototypesetting.
cornfed
11-14-2008, 01:40 PM
It's not a typo that he put ranged.
Ragged Right means left aligned - meaning the right edge is ragged.
Ragged Left means right aligned - meaning the left edge is ragged.
In other words:
Ranged Right = Right aligned = ragged left
Ranged Left = Left aligned = ragged right
I think I explained that correctly. I still just say flush left and flush right!
I say "flush every time". ;)
You'll get a spankin' if you don't!
Broacher
11-14-2008, 05:09 PM
Woah. You never really know what you'll find in these seemingly 'boringly-titled' threads.
Maybe, in design, the right justify the issues............................................ .................................................. ......
(That's a lot of dots per inch. Sorry 'bout that. Or should I say ppi. Periods per inch? I wonder if we will ever have a resolution on that?)
PrintDriver
11-14-2008, 07:11 PM
You have pixel drop out in your PPI. Using compression?
:D
That bloody InDesign, eh? Crazy.