Can ID CS start a page section on the left DAM MAN!!!

I don't know why it starts every section on the right, does anybody know how to start a section on the left cause this is gonna effect my bleeds and the whole nine. I need even spreads and I need to bleed certain pages on the left I can't sit here playing the guessing game. I need a prepress expert here. Kool or Mag or anyone do you get ID files like this what do you do?

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[Broacher]

http://www.carijansen.com/tips/028/

[Kool]

Are you talking about side by side pages?

Where am I going and why am I in this handbasket?

[Kool]

looks like Broacher has it for you

Where am I going and why am I in this handbasket?

You guys bring a tear to mi eye…
I was about to preach the Quark gospel but you have shown me the light. Thanks cause I really needed that. /emoticons/cheers.gif

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[Broacher]

There's some killer tips on that guy's site. I love the almost instant 1,000 process colour swatches for ID one especially!

What what does that do? I took a breif look over it then I realized I don't need to start on the left after all but thanks man cause this is a book document so eventually I'll use it.

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I have a great idea check it out maybe I should submit it to Adobe. You see when you make a book (which is just a group of document you want to share page numbers with or styles etc.) you can synchronize the styles. Although this is a great feature it gets really messy when you have like 80 styles which can happen I’m living proof. So InDesign should allow a method to put styles into sets that can be collapsed to work like Photoshops layers pallet. Just a thought what do you guys think?

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[Broacher]

There's already nested style (in CS) where you can control the application of character styles within a paragraph style. There's some really cool timesaving tricks you can do with this one! In fact, you can even control entire paragraph text attributes through a kind of 'master' character level style. That's a neat trick too. Is this the kind of thing you're talking about?

[D-Zine]

thanks for the link Broacher!

Power to the Oldschoolers

[Ulysses]

Thanks from me too Broacher ... it has long bugged me too.

No I’m not talking about basing a style sheet of a character style sheet as so the integration controls the content. I’m talking about the paragraph and character styles pallet where you can view the names. I’m saying section off the styles in sets like so you can manage them when you have a book system in place. Did I explain myself?

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[Ulysses]

I see what you mean, Benjo. Kinda like using the folders in Photoshop or Flash ... would certainly be a good way to organise all those styles.

Yea thats what I meant. =)

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[Broacher]

So, what you're saying is that you start with a limited number of 'master' base tags, say for a simplified example-- headline, body and caption as your low level tags. Each praragraph style set then would contain customized copies of these base tags, right? (like CSS?) And then you could just drag them onto a page, or 'paint them' on with some kind of selection tool. Kind of like text formatting 'symbols', right? And maybe the set itself would have some useful 'over-ride' attributes too.

It sounds like a good way to reduce text style clutter, and it would follow the hierarchial progression model that they're constantly adding to AI and Pshop. You should post that on the Adobe U2U forum.

Broacher I don't think me and you are on the same page. I'm talking about 'layer sets' where you can store grouped styles together not nested styles. Or maybe it's me that doesn't understand you. I don't know I'm confused???

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[Broacher]

I thought you were describing something like a new restructuring of the paragraph style palette, where you would go beyond just a straight list, to also be able to create 'folders' or paragraph style sets, that would contain customized variations of already existing styles (nested, or otherwise).

Really, it's like a way to conveniently store paragraph style over-rides as a 'style'. You can do this with, say the eyedropper tool, or creating a new style-- but what if you want to save these local modifications themselves as a style? That's where these sets would come in real handy. Especially in cases where you have more than, say 8 or more variations of a basic style and you just don't want to keep adding to that long list, over and over.

Is that what you're after?

No I'm not that advanced man but to even think of that means you use styles way more then I do. My thought process is not that far into it, I was referring to just grouping the sets in a book format where you might have a style that only applies to one section so you can hide it so and all other styles instead of seeing it along with the rest of the synchronized styles that have been imported. I was just looking for a visual solution but what you said sounds great and would make ID act very customizable. A brush fashion way of using styles that are set up in a dialog box sounds like a very advanced feature set. I like your idea. =)

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[Ulysses]

I like your idea too Broacher ... styles are a great feature of InDesign. Adobe really need to run with the possibilites ... such as creating classes of styles like you suggest, where you could go beyond nesting character styles in paragraph styles. I myself love nested styles, but there really are so many ways that it's current offerings can be improved upon, which I think we all agree on!?

I personally want a way to import/export styles and style classes ... so I can hand-tweak them (like you can with css styles in web design). InDesign uses somethign similar (you can see the code when you create nested styles), but for an odd reason, they don't allow you to tamper with it. I myself would feel much more in control if this weren't the case.

Well guys here is the result. Look at that bad boy!

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[Broacher]

>>I personally want a way to import/export styles and style classes ... so I can hand-tweak them (like you can with css styles in web design). InDesign uses somethign similar (you can see the code when you create nested styles), but for an odd reason, they don't allow you to tamper with it.<<

I can really 'see' this coming-- and very soon. That's the most exciting thing about ID-- the Adobe engineers have redesigned the whole graphic engine to be much more of a universal object-based database environment to a degree that I don't think Quark will ever be able match. And it's this engine that will fuel future integration of cross media application and UI evolution.

Right now I can't help but feel like ID users are kind of driving a Volkswagen with a Porsche engine squeezed in there, with an override on the throttle til the garage can figure out how to keep the rest of the drivetrain from exploding under full power.

[command z]

Ok guys, I feel really stupid here but, tell me exactly what a "nested" style is...I may be using it but not really knowing the name of it.
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