Thank God!

[Kool]

Because we really, really need a law to protect us from Low Pants (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20050209/ap_on_fe_st/low_riding_pants) /emoticons/eyecrazy.gif /emoticons/dry.gif /emoticons/lol.gif

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[D-Frag]

yup, this is basically the end of all freedom right here.

like my avatar sig says....someone tighten my noose.

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[Mickey]

Priceless! This should have been done a long time ago!

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[D-Frag]

I just thought of something else, they should be happy that they even wear underwear!

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[Mickey]

Isn't it great that our tax dollors pay for these chumps to debate this topic!

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[defjoe]

FINALLY

now we are safe in this world of HORRORS!

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[Ulysses]

Hahaha.

[D-Frag]

ugh, lets not talk about taxes....mmmmkay : )

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[1984]

I don't see how seeing some underwear differs from swimwear on a beach, i mean i've seen thongs that show lots more, or when a guy wears a banana hammock (bad move)
Next will be fines for womens nipples or guys bulges showing through the clothes...

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[Mickey]

Nipples are fine... I draw the line at the bulge!

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[Debz]

i read that article and didnt like how they changed it to a 'racial' issue at the end. I mean comeon.. i seen my fair share of white chicks dressed like skanks too, moreso actually!!

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[Drorain]

LEt the courts throw this one down, I think ya'll are to uptight, asinine laws have existed for many years, and the courts turn them down.

Freedoms being taken away...HAH, thank you for the chuckle

If thats the case, then why was certain sexual positions made illegal a hundred years ago?

Guys chill, I think you get uptight over nothing sometimes...

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[Magnus]

I agree...I have nothing wrong with making people dress a bit classier. I can remember a long time ago when my highschool was considering a school uniform. The typical dress pant and white shirt with black shoes. All the students were against it. Looking back, I think it's a great idea...and given the state of how stupid, disrespectful and lacking discipline our youth are today, it's time they bucked up a bit.

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[Drorain]

Wow magnus...we agree on something...holy Shouser...I will remember this moment forever...Now lets talk swords

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[morea]

^ good points, Magnus.

You know, I saw a little girl at the supermarket the other day. She could not have been more than 8 or 9 years old, and that was being generous.

She was wearing super skin-tight low-cut jeans and quite obviously no underwear. The top half of her bum was hanging out as she wandered up and down the candy aisle.

This child obviously had no role model or parent-figure to help her realize that this was not appropriate. Is it any wonder that when children model their manner of dress and behavior after Brittany Spears that children are being viewed as sex objects?

I think that there is some logic behind the "law" - although I don't necessarily agree with it.




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[Debz]

I have to say mag im suprised we agree. I agree with you 110%.

I went to a catholic h.s. and wore a uniform. I have to say im so glad i did. You can add your own personality to your uniform.. i loved mine!

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[Kool]

OMG you guys actually support the government deciding what we can wear?

This isn't about schools this is about everybody.

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[Debz]

Kool.. comeon.. It isnt deciding what WE can wear its putting kids in their place instead of dressing like a buncha hoebags. Any self-respecting person knows better. the only people u see dressing like this are like in highschool..

morality 4 teh win!@

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[Kool]

I guess I missed the paragraph in the story that says this law only applies to skanky teenagers.

So when a plumber comes to my house and flashes me the plumber butt I should be able to call the cops?

Personally I find people who wear short shirts with big rolls of fat hanging out under them disgusting. I think we should make it illegal. And I hate it when people wear sweaters tied around their necks. let's make that illegal. Don't even get me started on hair styles.

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[morea]

[quote]

Kool said...
So when a plumber comes to my house and flashes me the plumber butt I should be able to call the cops?HA!!! In THAT case, DEFINITELY!!!

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[Debz]

HELL YEAH call on that plumber :)

and maybe its a city fulla fat ppl who dress like that? LOL :P

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[Kool]

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[Drorain]

simply they are defining in their community what is indecent exposure.

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[defjoe]

Uhmmm where did you see this little girl Morea? that's HOT!


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[morea]

/emoticons/lol.gif you're bad, joe!

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[defjoe]

fresh meat... I hope.

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[morea]

ok, if I see her again, I'll UPS her to you. /emoticons/lol.gif

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[Eraser Nubbin]

Sounds like the government is stepping in and doing something that parents should be doing in the first place.
Now does this law state that it is illegal to have exposed underwear? I'm no lawyer but that sounds like not wearing underwear at all would be a bit of a loop-hole to avoid being prosecuted for this heinous crime.

Match in the gas tank, boom boom.

I aggree with Kool. This is 'STUPID' how can we support this just cause we don't like it.

Oh and why did the article say how they were both 'Black' WTF where the other guys? This whole thing sits really wrong with me.

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[Drorain]

like i said, wait for the courts to throw it down

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[Ulysses]

Kool said...
...Personally I find people who wear short shirts with big rolls of fat hanging out under them disgusting. I think we should make it illegal.

Would you be saying that if a pretty young lady wore a short shirt, with her ripe firm bosom hanging out from it? I'm not so sure you would be wanting that to be illegal ...

[Akewz]

I don't think it's up to the courts to decide what kids should and shouldn’t wear. I was always under the impression that good parenting was supposed to take care of that.

While I agree that kids today seem to lack discipline, I still have a problem with the government's 'quick fixes' when it comes to issues like these.

I'm sorry, but it's the attitude that it's 'no big deal' that's slowly paving the way for the government to further erode what little bit of rights we have left.
Hell, a survey of high school kids thought the erosion of the first amendment was 'no big deal' -isn't that just great, already the constant streaming of mind numbing television is working it's magic on the future of this country.

Perhaps if their role models weren't a bunch of vapid *******s, then things would be a little different. Somehow I doubt it though.

America is becoming a joke with all of this religious right-wing-values crap, while at the same time embarking on a world wide crusade to rid the planet of 'evil doers', and every other contradiction we hold so dear while we murder in the name of 'freedom' and 'democracy'.

I'm glad my tax dollars are paying the salaries of men who want to spend their time drafting laws that dictate what pants a teen can wear, while at the same time funding endless wars and lining the pockets of major corporations and war profiteers... To say it doesn't matter is so incredibly short sighted that it makes me even more anxious to leave this country and never look back.
Instead of debating about droopy pants, these people need to be holding the Bush administration accountable for all of the crap it pulls on a daily basis.
Of course, that's just a pipe dream since our elected officials will all do whatever they can to 'stay in the game' and not ruin their political careers.

It's no wonder most Americans are so uninformed, we spend more money destroying other countries than we do building our own. Our educational system is a joke and yet we spend BILLIONS on a world wide crusade to 'end tyranny' and just sit back and watch it play out on the TV... yeah, let's not ask the real questions, let's not have the important debates, no, let's all stay divided over saggy pants. That's gonna accomplish alot.

A bunch of 'tiny laws' will eventually add up to one big implosion of our rights.

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[Kink]

Ahemm.. I'm a little late on this thread, but back to the school uniforms..

I went to a high school with uniforms.. we had the kilts and everything....

but this year, they banned kilts!!! These girls were hiking them up so high you could see their bum bums!




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[morea]

aaah!!!!! I should have KNOWN this was going to turn to religion!!! http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/emoticons/frusty.gif

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[Debz]

LOL

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Kink said...
Ahemm.. I'm a little late on this thread, but back to the school uniforms..

I went to a high school with uniforms.. we had the kilts and everything.... These girls were hiking them up so high you could see their bum bums!

How can I enroll? This is great news do you have pics?

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Kool said...
...And I hate it when people wear sweaters tied around their necks.

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I agree! LMAO! I HATE when I see that. It's like who the hell dressed you and WTF were you thinking???

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Power to the Oldschoolers

[Debz]

^^ LMFAO DZ

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[MD]

With all the things going on in this world it is nice to see that they can still make time to steal our personal freedoms...........

If anything needs to be outlawed it is mullets and socks with sandals.

Kink I miss your Avatar............

You know, there's like a butt-load of gangs on this forum. This one gang kept wanting me to join because I'm pretty good with a bo staff.

[Drawing a Blank]

I agree with Eraser Nubbin and Akewz, this is the government legislating somthing that is the result of bad parenting. DC just passed a law about selling video games to young children(to violent)and the concencous was that it didn't matter because their parents would now buy the games for them. That is the problem, THE PARENTS SUCK, not the fact that the video games are so violent. I don't play video games and yes they are violent, but if parents knew what their children were doing this wouldn't be a problem or GOD FORBID these parents actually tear their children away from these video games and make them go outside and play a gameor have a hobby or play a musical insturment or draw or paint etc... Hey maybe childhood obesity would decline as well. </rant>


LOL Akewz "vapid *******s"


I hope they don't outlaw tight shirts for women I may not leave the house again.


blah blah blah blah blah blah

[Magnus]

So they should really introduce legislation to:

1. determine whether or not the parents are capable of raising respectful children
2. determine if the parents should even be allowed to breed, given that they themselvs are morons.


But really, how many adults do you see wearing pants or shorts down around their knees? So in that sense, it is targeted at teens and such.

But, if the problem lies at home, how exactly do you fix that? Any legislation that is passed on that would be some form of Charter of Rights violation.

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[Akewz]

Magnus said...
So they should really introduce legislation to:

1. determine whether or not the parents are capable of raising respectful children
2. determine if the parents should even be allowed to breed, given that they themselvs are morons.


But really, how many adults do you see wearing pants or shorts down around their knees? So in that sense, it is targeted at teens and such.

But, if the problem lies at home, how exactly do you fix that? Any legislation that is passed on that would be some form of Charter of Rights violation.

That's just it, you DON'T pass legislation on any of it.
We're talking about saggy pants here, which is an issue that pales in comparison to the topics that our legislators really need to be focusing on.

In my opinion, it's another case of a politician pandering to the moral extremists of the country for the sake of getting future votes. It's nothing new, and it's not going anywhere any time in the foreseeable future.
I think the days of innocence in politics is long over, and what we're witnessing now is the beginning of the end.

There are a lot of things I don't like, but I also don't feel like I have any right to tell people what they should and shouldn't wear.

I know it pisses me off to no end when I see a young girl, out with her parents no less, dressed like a total hooker. I'm sorry, but a 6 year old girl should not be wearing hotpants that say 'eat me' on the ass.
I mean damn, the list is endless, but the reality is there's nothing I can say to these people, and I certainly wouldn't raise hell about it and try to have laws created to stop it, simply because I know that I'd be contributing to the slow destruction of our Bill of Rights.
I can do what I would do if I were listening to something I don't like, or watching something I don't want to see -I can turn it off, or look away. I can take responsibility for what I choose to look at.

It just seems to me that instead of trying to remedy the situation at the root cause, we try to cut it off at the head, which in turn seems to sprout 2 new ones for each one lost.

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[Drorain]

I'm sorry, but the everything is okay, nothing is wrong, let me wave me ***** around in public mentality doesnt float well with majority of people. Perhaps the people are reeling from how liberal the woman are getting with showing off to much, They had such restraint without laws 50 years ago. In any case, I think an education of local, state, and national politics would be beneficial for everyone. They are allowed to make such laws because that is where they live and they have a right to control it one some level, the Constitution allows states to legislate themselves, their are certain rights they cannot impead on, and I don't think how you dress is covered in that.

Look up laws on indecent exposure...this is an extenstion of that. I would again ask people to relax, unless this is going on in your state, you can complain about it all you want, but its ultimately the constituants choice to make. So a lot of the hoo haa being said doesnt matter unless the people vote to change it. Otherwise its there problem.

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[D-Frag]

I really like Akewz, me and him would get along great.

And hes totally right when he said this whole 'Who cares' attitude is ruining america. I whole heartedly agree, shit my own mother said she didn't care about the future of America because in her words 'I won't be here anyways, so who cares'

Mix that with people having children that really shouldn't be having kids, and we have 'Stupid America'

Anyone ever listen to Adam Corola on that sexline show based in LA? He had it right when he said we should stop people from breeding when they do moronic shit. Consider it manmade evolution.

Im going to go out tonight with no pants on just to prove a point

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[Drorain]

you'll have to take pictures for the ladies dfrag...maybe make another private topic, with warning labels so guys dont wonder in

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[morea]

that's absolutely FINE, D-Frag, as long as you don't wear LOW-RIDING pants. /emoticons/tongue.gif

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[Akewz]

Drorain said...
I'm sorry, but the everything is okay, nothing is wrong, let me wave me ***** around in public mentality doesnt float well with majority of people. Perhaps the people are reeling from how liberal the woman are getting with showing off to much, They had such restraint without laws 50 years ago. In any case, I think an education of local, state, and national politics would be beneficial for everyone. They are allowed to make such laws because that is where they live and they have a right to control it one some level, the Constitution allows states to legislate themselves, their are certain rights they cannot impead on, and I don't think how you dress is covered in that.

Look up laws on indecent exposure...this is an extenstion of that. I would again ask people to relax, unless this is going on in your state, you can complain about it all you want, but its ultimately the constituants choice to make. So a lot of the hoo haa being said doesnt matter unless the people vote to change it. Otherwise its there problem.

I see your point, but I think you're not seeing the big picture here.

When you talk about restraint without laws 50 years ago, you're also talking about a different time in our country when certain morals and values were taught and followed by people without being forced to do so by the law. Times have changed and so have morals and values, and while I'm not condoning it, I can atleast recognize it for what it is.

If you think we should start to create laws that prohibit the wearing of certain clothes, then I think it's only a matter of time before that mentality seeps into other aspects of our society, hence my belief in the slow erosion of our rights.

Do you think it's cool that Muslim women have to be covered from head to toe in black, with only their eyes showing? I'm sure you don't, and I admit that it's an extreme example on my part, but still you have to sit back and look at the bigger picture, and where stupid 'laws' like that are borne from.

To me, if you're going to try to create laws that dictate the way a woman(or anyone for that matter) should dress, and legislate what is 'acceptable' and what isn't, then I think maybe we should be talking about what types of images we can see on TV and in movies to a greater degree.(even more censorship)

There's a reason why major media corporations spend massive amounts of money contributing to political parties. It helps them bypass decency laws so they can continue to use sex as a major marketing tool.
I seriously doubt anything will ever truly be done to curtail the use of sex in marketing, which as we all know contributes to the overall societal belief that it's ok to look and dress in certain ways that might not be very tasteful.
My problem is, where does it end? Were we a truly free society, we wouldn't even be discussing this issue.
I know from my travels in other countries, that it's not uncommon at all to see bare breasted women in a commercial. Does that make the country a sexist amoralistc one? Or does that mean they're a bit more free with themselves and their bodies? Perhaps they have more important issues to deal with?

I think it's scary that when we see a 5th of a nipple for a 30th of a second, the religious and moral 'leaders' go apecrap, but at the same time, these people don't have much to say about the amount of death and bloodshed our foreign policy creates around the world.... ok, I'm getting way off track, even though the whole argument is symbiotic.

Your point about indecent exposure laws while valid, also point out the evolution of our loss of rights.
Yeah, it's probably indecent exposure to walk naked in the supermarket, but is it really indecent exposure to have your pants hanging off your ass there too? By making one thing an extension of another, by proxy, they become one and the same.
I think that's going too far.

All I'm trying to say, is why speed up the process of dismantling our rights?
We've got plenty of other issues that deserve more immediate attention than what someone is wearing, or how they're wearing it.
And I disagree that a majority of people take serious issue with the way teens dress in general.

I don't know how old you are, but I'm 28 -I know when I was younger I used to wear some really stupid stuff, but I also grew up and grew out of it. For me it was a basic for of self expression.
I would be pissed if my right to grow as a person on my own was taken away from me. I learned why it wasn't the best idea to dress like a scumbag all the time, and I'm fairly sure most other people will as well.

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[Drorain]

akewz I applaud your argument, I am a libertarian in most things, but I just understand that the Constitution allows for such laws to be made. I agree politicians should be arguing about more important things, but as far as rights go, could we say that affirmative action takes away from the rights of others?

I think that a persons concept of rights are an internal thing... Lets talk affirmative action

We give people of a minority (currently color, sex, or orientation) the oppurtunity to participate in something based on pyshical or social condition...rather than on merit of their intelligence or skill.
This in effect is racism. Its the reverse of our cultures definition of racism, but it is just simply the flip side of racism.
This cannot be understood as a sterile idea tho, everyone reads that statement with some bias for or against it.

That being my point, a persons rights are defined by their perception.

Now to bring this back to today...Our forefathers penned the Unalienable Rights in the Constitution, they had great perception in what they wrote, even tho the rights werent given to everyone at that time (slavery) they were granted in time.

I think that they allowed for us to dictate what our other rights would be. It could be seen as this...

I have the right to where whatever clothing I want...or
I have the right not to be exposed to such things in plain sight.

So we debate the issue as we are here, and we decide. Whatever we decide becomes the norm. So these people made their decision, let them have it, let it be over-turned at some point...If the People do not like it, they can peaceably revolt by way of election and get their asses out of office. The Beauty of our system.

Tho not as eloquent as your argument, I hope You can see my point.

BTW...soon to be 24 years old...So I know what you mean about the ******* adults =P

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[Akewz]

Drorain, believe me, I'm not trying in the least to make this a personal argument with you.
I do see your points, and I totally agree with you on the affirmative action point, even though it (in my opinion) feels a bit heavier and out of place when it comes to a debate about our right to wear what we want, how we want. Still, I see the connection.

Again, my overall point is that as a whole, this country(America)tends to debate the banal minutia of simple everyday things, while leaving the bigger issues by the wayside, and that scares me.

I understand that it's our right to vote and remove the politicians whose policies we don't agree with, but for me even that argument has it's flaws simply because as a whole our country is vastly less informed on the real issues. I think it's funny that we're living in the so called 'information age', yet getting the real story on most issues seems to be harder than ever. I think in most cases there's so much BS being tossed around that the average working class blue collar American can't find the time to sift through it all, hence the focus on the little issues that eventually work their way into big issues.

I just feel like, by passing such laws as how to wear your pants, we find ourselves once again the victim of micro management by the government, and as a Libertarian, I'm sure you can agree that we don't want that.

I think about all of these issues a lot, and I fully realize just how difficult it is to come to a compromise that will make everyone happy, and in some cases it's pretty much impossible.
But to me, this instance just seems to be a clear example of when government goes too far, especially when there is so much else to take issue with.

Anyway, I think the real beauty is that you and I can debate this topic and have our own opinions on it, because things could be much worse, and we could be talking about how much it sucks that we don't get a say in anything -which, is also something I fear is starting to happen, all in the name of fighting 'terror'.

But, I digress... it takes all kinds to have a country like America, but unfortunately there are a bunch of people who feel it is THEIR right alone to dictate what's morally right and wrong.
I know my point about Muslim women may have been a bit off base, but it seems to me that our government is being hijacked by the 'moral right', so in my big picture view of things, I totally see the connection between men making the Koran part of the rule of law, lining up with certain Americans attempting to use the bible to do the same in the name of morality.

I'll give you this though -I agree that it will be struck down before it ever gets it's wings.
And I appaud your argument as well.

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Post Edited (Akewz) : 2/9/2005 9:00:00 PM GMT

[Magnus]

Dfrag said 'Im going to go out tonight with no pants on just to prove a point'

Yeah, and how's that different from any other night you go out?

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[Drorain]

And THAT is how you debate, as for me case closed.

Akwez, great matching minds with you, I'm needing a lighter topic...like boobies

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[morea]

nicely done guys. Well made points on both sides and no mudslinging.
/emoticons/cheers.gif Cheers to you both!

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[D-Zine]

Did someone ask for boobies???

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[morea]

damn, you're quick, DZ!

/emoticons/cat.gif raar!

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i like to see boobies and anything that gets in the way of that I don't like

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Drorain said...
And THAT is how you debate, as for me case closed.

Akwez, great matching minds with you, I'm needing a lighter topic...like boobies

Absolutely... Atleast we can totally agree on one thing, if not more.

Now I have a nice warm fuzzy feeling inside... I hope my girlfriend doesn't get jealous.

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[MD]

I have a warm & fuzzy feeling inside too - but I think thats because I spiked my coffee all day with Southern Comfort..........

You know, there's like a butt-load of gangs on this forum. This one gang kept wanting me to join because I'm pretty good with a bo staff.