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03-02-2005, 09:26 PM
So, I thought I would open the floor for a design contest only to be vito-ed by Morea. Fair enough, and in the interest of going by the rules of the board (which I hadn't seen) I duely removed the post. Didn't want to get anyones nose out of whack. But as this seems to be such a sensitive issue I wanted to give my .02s
I'm a designer in an in-house agency of a fortune 500 company -I agree with the ethics of paying a designer for design work.
BUT
We all need opportunities to do something fresh... this wasis a small project (I'd do it myself if I had time) that was meant to spark interest, not resentment.
I don't think it's necessarily unethical to run contests for this sort of thing... whether it be established designers lookng for a couple of hours to kill, or some new faces wanting a chance to get some work out there. We all need to start somewhere right?
I read all the articlesMorea posted in the original thread, and to be honest I think the design community has lost a sense of community, to get all self-rightious about contests and the like and be totally fixated on financial reimbursment for anyowrk that's done.
As an electronic music producer, I see and enter remix or compilation contests all the time, and so do other people - for the chance to get a track released on a qulity label etc, etc. No bitching about it being unethical, because it isn't. Maybe that because as a musicians we are truley artists, and we want to come together to promote this idea, and not always try to look out for our wallets. Not to mention the trust level involved with producers making their audio samples accesable over the net for all to download.
However nowseemingly designers are now no differnt to plumbers or electricians just providing a service, exempt of all artistic input at all these days. I think the designcommunity should get off it's high horse and embrace the chance to do something different, and not be so worried about being hard done by out of a couple of hundred bucks. If you're too busy getting paid to do design then don't enter andif you have the time to do it then what do you have to lose?? I became a designer because I wanted to get paid for doing something I love. I certainly didn't stop designing at times when work was slow... and I didn't have a problem helping friends out when they needed something layed out. The old idium 'you have to give to receive' is very true IMO.
Anyway, the reason I decided to post the work here as a compitition here rather than just go to rentacoder.com (and get bids in form all over the planet fromexcellent designerswho want the work and will do it for peanuts) is because on a community board like this, there should be a community feelwith agiving and taking, easy going mentallity. I was giving an opportunity that was there for the taking. Alas, this place seems to be more of a representation of corporate america than a community based around passionate artists.
Not intended to start some major mud slinging with this post, these are only my opinions. So what do you guys think?
I'm a designer in an in-house agency of a fortune 500 company -I agree with the ethics of paying a designer for design work.
BUT
We all need opportunities to do something fresh... this wasis a small project (I'd do it myself if I had time) that was meant to spark interest, not resentment.
I don't think it's necessarily unethical to run contests for this sort of thing... whether it be established designers lookng for a couple of hours to kill, or some new faces wanting a chance to get some work out there. We all need to start somewhere right?
I read all the articlesMorea posted in the original thread, and to be honest I think the design community has lost a sense of community, to get all self-rightious about contests and the like and be totally fixated on financial reimbursment for anyowrk that's done.
As an electronic music producer, I see and enter remix or compilation contests all the time, and so do other people - for the chance to get a track released on a qulity label etc, etc. No bitching about it being unethical, because it isn't. Maybe that because as a musicians we are truley artists, and we want to come together to promote this idea, and not always try to look out for our wallets. Not to mention the trust level involved with producers making their audio samples accesable over the net for all to download.
However nowseemingly designers are now no differnt to plumbers or electricians just providing a service, exempt of all artistic input at all these days. I think the designcommunity should get off it's high horse and embrace the chance to do something different, and not be so worried about being hard done by out of a couple of hundred bucks. If you're too busy getting paid to do design then don't enter andif you have the time to do it then what do you have to lose?? I became a designer because I wanted to get paid for doing something I love. I certainly didn't stop designing at times when work was slow... and I didn't have a problem helping friends out when they needed something layed out. The old idium 'you have to give to receive' is very true IMO.
Anyway, the reason I decided to post the work here as a compitition here rather than just go to rentacoder.com (and get bids in form all over the planet fromexcellent designerswho want the work and will do it for peanuts) is because on a community board like this, there should be a community feelwith agiving and taking, easy going mentallity. I was giving an opportunity that was there for the taking. Alas, this place seems to be more of a representation of corporate america than a community based around passionate artists.
Not intended to start some major mud slinging with this post, these are only my opinions. So what do you guys think?