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morea

03-09-2005, 03:19 PM

The correct solution to the problem is to implement a good TNR (trap-neuter-release) program. It has been proven that trying to execute, relocate, or otherwise remove the animals does no good, because they will breed faster than they can be removed. Also, by removing a native cat population, youfree up a food source that will simply attract other cats to the area.

There are chemicals, etc you can buy that act as cat repellents if you don't want them on your property.

And personally, I view cats as much more contributing members of society than most people. If I had my way, people who are cruel to animals would be blown from here to feline eternity.

www.alleycat.org/visitor.html (http://www.alleycat.org/visitor.html)
www.saveacat.org/acr_articles/TNR.htm (http://www.saveacat.org/acr_articles/TNR.htm)

as a matter of fact, give me 10 minutes alone in a room with an animal abuser. By the time I am done, what's left of that person will never do it again. And it is documented fact that many animal abusers go on to abuse people.

Animal Abuse and Human Abuse: Partners in Crime ('http://"http://www.peta.org/mc/factsheet_display.asp?ID=71"')

thanks for your concern, Limed. I don't live in Wisconsin. But Wisconsin isnot the first place to propose such a ridiculous measure. People suggest things like this all the time.

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[i]Post Edited (morea) : 3/9/2005 1:20:24 PM GMT

morea

03-09-2005, 05:16 PM

also, the term 'free roaming' cats makes it possible to shoot pet cats who are allowed outdoors, not just their wild counterparts. Yet another reason that mine are indoor only.

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uncle carbunkle

03-09-2005, 05:18 PM

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morea

03-09-2005, 05:21 PM

save toby is a hoax. www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/savetoby.asp (http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/savetoby.asp) And before anybody brings it up, so are 'bonsai kittens'. www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/bonsai.asp (http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/bonsai.asp)

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[i]Post Edited (morea) : 3/9/2005 1:31:54 PM GMT

Kink

03-09-2005, 05:34 PM

That's just horrible!!!

Rediculously Horrible!!!

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Ulysses

03-09-2005, 05:57 PM

In all fairness, if animal rights can have a person prosecuted for cruelty, then why the hell should things be different if an animal is cruel? People are not killed for animal crimes, so why then should animals be?

Humans are just bigots, that think everything should be centred around their own convenience ... hell, in all fairness, we should also have over-populated and crime-infested regions of humans shot too (just to be sure they don't potentially violate other humans' space) ... but you don't see the law passing such an idea forward do you (even if it that does help reduce villain-related crimes)!? Genocide is what such a law would be be proposing, and like morea says ... that only attracts other such populations over time.

The real problem with villanizing cats (or any other lifeform) ... is where do we draw the line between animal/human rights, and animal/human laws for conviction? We have a long way to go I feel ...

uncle carbunkle

03-09-2005, 05:59 PM

that poor bunny was brutally mauled by an alley cat...

...so that dude should eat the cat.

*runs and hides*

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uncle carbunkle

03-09-2005, 05:59 PM

haha

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morea

03-09-2005, 06:03 PM

Ulysses said...

Humans are just bigots, that think everything should be centred around their own convenience ... hell, in all fairness, we should also have over-populated and crime-infested regions of humans shot too (just to be sure they don't potentially violate other humans' space) ... but you don't see the law passing such an idea forward do you (even if it that does help reduce villain-related crimes)!? Genocide is what such a law would be be proposing, and like morea says ... that only attracts other such populations over time.

The real problem with villanizing cats (or any other lifeform) ... is where do we draw the line between animal/human rights, and animal/human laws for conviction? We have a long way to go I feel ...

[/quote]well said.

trywatching a suffering animal die inyour arms and then tell me thatthis is appropriate.

it's against everything that I stand for.

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[i]Post Edited (morea) : 3/9/2005 2:08:01 PM GMT

Mickey

03-09-2005, 06:50 PM

I think it's a great idea!

Rock on Wisconsin!

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Neuro

03-09-2005, 06:54 PM

So the cats have to suffer because of the humans mistakes? Interesting stupidity!! If pet owners would take some responsibility for their animals and get them neutered then none of this would be a problem. It's not like the cats decided to go out and say...Lets pancake things up for the humans! They are animals, intelligent but at the same time primative compared to the human race. That is why they are our pets. They are to be cared for by us. They are not property, they have feelings and needs. It's about god damn time that ppl point the finger in the right direction. It's not the cats' fault!! Don't slaughter them because of human stupidity. I feel that we fight everyday for abortion, death penalty and civil rights. WTF?! Why the hell do animal rights fall so god damn far behind??

I am appalled that a state would even consider this! Thank god I don't live there...i'd be out of there so fast!

Hey here's one for you...any kid that isn't in there house is fair game right? Seems only fair to me!!

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Mickey

03-09-2005, 07:01 PM

Neuro i Carmotur said...
Hey here's one for you...any kid that isn't in there house is fair game right?

Now your on to someting!

Neuro i Carmotur said...
They are not property

Then why can you go to the store and buy one?

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Tyger

03-09-2005, 07:02 PM

a living being is a living being..they have the right to live and not be snuffed out.

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morea

03-09-2005, 07:03 PM

Ah. Bless your cold little heart Mickey. I suppose you'd still feel the same way if someone who disliked dogs decided to start taking shots at your little Valentine when she happens to be outdoors.

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Mickey

03-09-2005, 07:04 PM

Nope! just cats!

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Neuro

03-09-2005, 07:07 PM

I agree with Morea. By the way Mikey - I don't buy cats - I adopt them and support the organization that is doing the RIGHT THING!

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Mickey

03-09-2005, 07:26 PM

Somebody said...
I adopt them and support the organization that is doing the RIGHT THING!

The RIGHT THING would involve a 5 gallon bucket full of whater!

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morea

03-09-2005, 07:28 PM

my, aren't you hateful.

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Patrick Shannon

03-09-2005, 07:38 PM

If I became god and had my way, I would prevent humans from breeding more than one (or two) children. Animals are overpopulating the world? Humans are included in that. That's the irony of humans, we're more intelligent (than animals, well most) and have the ability to control our breeding, yet we don't. Most animals adapt well to their environment, humans tear it down. (I think Agent Smith was onto something about the 'virus' theory in Matrix.) I just shake my head at these families of five to seven (or more) kids, what is the point? Oh, cause babies are so cute! Sheesh. That's more people to drag on the world. I personally think China has the right idea (one child family) to deal with overcrowding, though I certainly don't agree with their handling on the situation when those rules are broken.

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Neuro

03-09-2005, 07:38 PM

Mikey -
Ok, however you feel is your opinion. Just do me a favor and stop pushing buttons. Morea has spent a large amount of money and a long period of time helping cats. Have some god damn respect for that. She feels very strongly about what she said and the fact that you find it amusing to antagonize her about it is appalling. Be respectful of someone who as picked up the slack for a lot of ppl who are too ignorant to do the things that are involved with having a pet. She has brought many, many abused cats back to healthy states and had them adopted by loving families who are very grateful. She has dedicated a large part of her life to that. I admire her for that and RESPECT her for that. I know you are intelligent enough to see the emotion behind what she writes. Do me a favor and stop this game you are playing before thing get out of control and someone gets their feelings seriously hurt. I am asking you nicely.

Patrick -

Morea and I think there should be a test before you can breed. A stupidity test. Just think of all the children that would stop. ha!

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Post Edited (Neuro i Carmotur) : 3/9/2005 3:41:23 PM GMT

Mickey

03-09-2005, 07:39 PM

You kids are tooooo easy! i'm just jokin!

I really don't like cats but discharging a firearm in your backyard to eradicate them is a bit much!

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Ulysses

03-09-2005, 07:46 PM

Seriosuly ... to condone killing a cat (or any other animal ... just not your own dog) for walking around, pooping, and having a bite to eat from a bird or mouse etc ... is just ridiculous. If the same applied to humans, we would have never evolved our comfort-laiden culture to even have the time to consider such thoughts.

Instead of the comforts of society, that allow us to buy food from a clean store and pay rent on a clean and warm home, we'd be hunting for food, fighting to protect ourselves and people we care for (rather than paying a policed society to deal with them), and we'd sleeping in cold damp caves ... if we were lucky to survive at all. In a sense ... we'd be living just like the animals we are considering shooting. Hell, how would we feel if we were then shot by a lifeform that considered us a nuisance (which by the way, would probably be all but a handful of life on the planet ... we'd be seriously out numbered if they evolved beyond us).

Amendment: Ahhh... Mickey, you were just joking. This post grew another several post before I realised ...

Post Edited (Ulysses) : 3/9/2005 4:15:58 PM GMT

Mickey

03-09-2005, 07:46 PM

I was in a store just yesterday and at the checkout there was a display with playing cards featuring cats on the cards, and I thought of you guys. (morea in particular)

I know you guys love cats and that is cool, just messin with you!

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morea

03-09-2005, 07:50 PM

It's ok Mickey... I'll take care of YOUR share of cats too! http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/DesktopModules/dotNetBB/emoticons/biggrin.gif

I wouldn't tell somebody they have to like them, because that would be ridiculous. I think that the people who don't want to help them should just let them be.

You guys wanna sing kumbayah?

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uncle carbunkle

03-09-2005, 07:52 PM

the only cat i like is my partner's. i kick, she bites, i pet, she bites, i chase & attack, she purrrrrrs her head off. she's a riot. other cats are freaky. they're plotting. i've said it before and i'll say it again - if cats had thumbs, we'd be dead.

don't anyone get their knickers in a twist over a plainly ridiculous article posted on the internet. for goodness sake.

i appreciate morea's passion, neuro; but if she's that offended she should block the post. it's the internet. and people have different capacities for humour.

deep breathing... unless you're allergic.

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uncle carbunkle

03-09-2005, 07:52 PM

oh look - you already made up.

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03-09-2005, 07:55 PM

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Mickey

03-09-2005, 07:56 PM

Ya unc, were good! but Ulysses lost me with that last ramble /DesktopModules/dotNetBB/emoticons/eyecrazy.gif

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Mickey

03-09-2005, 07:56 PM

Roof rabbit! I LOVE THAT!

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Ulysses

03-09-2005, 07:56 PM

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Mickey

03-09-2005, 07:58 PM

WTF!

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uncle carbunkle

03-09-2005, 08:00 PM

maybe that firedude should shoot cats AND humans

???

(i don't know)

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Ulysses

03-09-2005, 08:04 PM

Haha ... yes. Shoot us all! Kill everyone and everything! Afterall ... isn't that what creative writers have been telling us all along in novels and movies!? Renew via complete extermination ... start afresh.

Ulysses

03-09-2005, 08:10 PM

And Patrick ... don't get me started on the issue of poor deprived countries (who are impoverished, with aids and severe hunger) who continue to procreate like rabbits. Do they really think a young baby is going to have it any easier? Hmmm ... I have no sympathy for people that are that insensitive, and think only of their own pleasures like that.

morea

03-09-2005, 08:12 PM

uncle carbunkle said...

i appreciate morea's passion, neuro; but if she's that offended she should block the post.
While I appreciate neuro explaining my situation to anyone previously unaware, I am a big girl and perfectly capable of taking care of myself. For the record, his input was not sparked by me running crying to him about the woes of the world.

I put my 2¢ in where I deem it necessary. And I stand behind what I believe. Don't anybody worry about my delicate sensibilities.

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morea

03-09-2005, 08:25 PM

[quote]

Ulysses said...
And Patrick ... don't get me started on the issue of poor deprived countries (who are impoverished, with aids and severe hunger) who continue to procreate like rabbits.
Sadly, this is not limited to impoverished countries.

I used to work with a girl who could not afford to feed her children, but continued to have more because "she could never remember to take her birth control pills". At age 26 she is now the mother of6 children, with no way to care for them.

People won't take responsibility for themselves... which is why the world is in the state it is today.

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Ulysses

03-09-2005, 08:28 PM

Nicely pointed out morea ... I have this very bad habit of placing this in a specific context. Indeed ... it is not just deprived countrees that this pertains to.

Patrick Shannon

03-09-2005, 08:33 PM

I'm certainly no tree hugger, but it kind of gets to you when some forresty area where you played as a kid gets torn down for a McDonalds. What I don't get is that there are plenty of areas downtown that are run down and abandoned, why not tear that all down instead and revitalize the areas? On the subject of people and breeding, you can't tell me that many poor families have as many kids as they do just to get additional welfare and income tax return. Such people are an influence on their kids, who also grow up lazy and either repeat the same mistakes or turn to crime. (By the way, it's important to make the point that I'm not dismissing all poor people as criminals, but it is appropriate to assume that those in poverty has a much higher chance of turning to crime than others at higher income levels.) I think if an end was put to such programs (or just limit the amount of people it covers), it would take care of a lot of problems right there. That's the shame of it, no generation ever thinks ahead, the buck rules all. Just look at our unstable fuel market right now. With Asia's increased demand, it's time to start seeking some alternate 'source' but the oil companies won't stand for that. There are conspiracy theories, after all.

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Post Edited (Patrick Shannon) : 3/9/2005 4:36:16 PM GMT

Ulysses

03-09-2005, 08:41 PM

Conspiracy theories ... or just sheer greed Patrick.

Indeed, I always wondered why adandoned buildings are not refurbished. Perhaps it is to do with their location, that they became abandoned in the first place (geographically located to attract crime etc). And yes ... it is a shame that special places of our childhood memories are turned into McDonalds and housing estates ... especially as we really should be looking to knock these things down, and replace them with grass fields for healthy civilized people to enjoy, and where animals can live peacfully away from our harm.

swilsonjr

03-09-2005, 08:47 PM

Patrick Shannon said...
What I don't get is that there are plenty of areas downtown that are run down and abandoned, why not tear that all down instead and revitalize the areas?

There's no money in that. Corporate America rules all.

The people living in the run down/abandonded areas probably don't have the capital to support the smaller businesses that could help revitalize the area. Wal*Mart moves in. Standards of living sink ever lower.

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paulrandfan

03-09-2005, 08:53 PM

I agree with Patrick on the breeding test. It reminds me of that line in the Movie Parenthood, starring Steve Martin. In it Keanu Reeves says: 'You need a license to drive a car, hell you need a license to catch a fish, but they'll let any goddamn asshole bea father.'

Needless to say I was outraged at this. Not only is it negligent and cruel it openly invites torture, and killing for no reason. There are too many loopholes in this law, that openly advocate the killing of animals with no specific purpose, and no regulation. It's not like Deer Hunting, which is regulated by the government, this would allow people to kill domesticated cats any way they choose. It is not humane, it is not regulated, and therefore can not be allowed. It would start with cats, and move on to dogs and squirrels.

F'n rednecks need to become educated and take on more sophisticated hobbies and pasttime.

I propose sterilization for those who agree with this law.

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Patrick Shannon

03-09-2005, 09:05 PM

On the subject of bloodthirst, I just thought of a funny true story. Two hosts of a radio show I listen to had a contest years ago where people could come out to a field with weapons or whatever they could find, and the hosts would unleash a bunch of turkeys and you'd basically hunt your own turkey. But what the people there didn't know was this: the hosts had put paper turkeys all over the field as a joke, and everyone would receive a free (already prepped) turkey to take home to cook regardless. When the crowd found out about this, they were not happy and charged the radio hosts in a frantic mob. The radio hosts ran back into their bus and locked it up tight, and literally had to hide under the tables and do the radio broadcast from there while the mob was breaking the windows, chucking rocks, and trying to tilt the bus over. I don't remember how that issue was resolved, though I think it involved police (obviously) and tear gas (but I could be wrong about the gas.)

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BOSCOW

03-09-2005, 09:39 PM

Cats or not cats, I have a cat and I do not mind them, my girlfreind wanted one so we got one, I just cant beleive they are wasting tax payers money even arguing over such a law to be passed. There are many more problems in this country than stray cats (especially in Wisconsin, just kidding)
Even if they would pass it I really dont see hundreds of people going out cat hunting, I think it is just sad that they are even debating this.

03-09-2005, 09:52 PM

Wow when i posted this last night I never envisioned it becoming a referendum on human overpopulation, poverty and the evils of corporate america. I don't think it will pass but I have been surprised before - I believe we have a morning dove season.

Mickey said...
The RIGHT THING would involve a 5 gallon bucket full of whater!

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Kink

03-09-2005, 10:34 PM

Geezz.. that took a while to catch up...and, I skipped a few.

I just wanted to let everyone know...

In Ontario, Canada, they have now passed a law that prohibits anyone to have a pitbull dog as a pet.

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BOSCOW

03-09-2005, 10:43 PM

Man, that is stupid, and I thought Canada was cool, still much better than the states though

morea

03-09-2005, 10:49 PM

I think that even here in NY there are laws that you have to be 35 years of age to own a pit bull! It's a shame, because I have met some pit bulls that are really sweet. Some people have to ruin things for everybody.

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03-09-2005, 10:50 PM

Nah thats just wishful thinking boscow - we don't have a monopoly on idiots

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LeftBrain Artist

03-10-2005, 12:04 AM

Wow! What a great topic! I live in Wisconsin, don't own a gun, but I may purchase one if this law passes!

What I beleive we're talking about here isn't the manefestation of a malicious vendetta against cats, but rather a viable solution to control the feral cat population. There is a HUGE difference between feral cats and domesticated cats. What is difficult to accomplish here is to make the distinction between a pet and a pest.

Like my squirrel avatar? Here's the story behind that - which relates, hear me out. I moved into my house about 2.5 years ago, without knowing that my attic was prime real estate for squirrel parties. I moved in September, come November their came some loud scratching in the walls. When I say loud, I mean it sounded like a squad of raccoons were tearing the siding and shingles off my house. In the past I've enjoyed watching squirrels - they're cute and funny to watch. But when they're in your house - they're a pest and need to go. So I got a LIVE trap, baited it and caught the squirrel, took the critter 25 miles away to the countryside to release it into the wild. Problem solved? Not quite. 3 squirrels later, I was fed up with trying to be nice. After jamming a screwdriver through a plaster wall in an effort to stab the thing at 3:00 in the morning - I decided it was time to implement the final solution. about 10 drowned squirrels and 2 years later, I've finally located and sealed all their entry points, and have been squirrel free for 3 months and counting! I've been thinking of getting a stuffed squirrel to put on a pole, thus serving as a warning to the local rodent population.

Here's another story involving cats - my granparents used to have a huge, wooded lot with a lot of birdfeeders. Their nearest neighbor was a crazy cat guy who lived by himself with 40 cats. Obviously they got out a lot and made their way over to the sandbox we played in as kids. They also starting getting after the birds which upset my grandmother, who happened to be fond of bird watching. My granpa's solution - the kitty box. Hooked up to the exhaust pipe of a car - then taken for a ride and thrown out of the car a few miles away to make it look like an 'accident'.

The moral of the stories - Yes, squirrels, rabbits, prairie dogs, and all of God's fuzzy cute little creatures (including cats) are a joy to behold and enrich our lives with their presence. But mark my words, when these bundles of joy decide to shack up in a place not specifically designated for them by the human race, its amazing how quickly their charm evaporates. Squirrels will destroy your insulation and chew on wires and studs, rabbits eat your garden, and cats will crap in your childrens' sandboxes and eat birds you may be trying to attract with feeders. Its very easy to ignore these problems when they don't directly affect you, and even accuse others of being ANIMAL HATERS! MURDERERS! HEARTLESS! But when the problem affects you directly, sooner or later your patience will run out, no matter how nice you are or how much you like animals. Beleive me, I know.

Lets take the cat lovers approach. Suppose we all agree that the cats should roam as they please or maybe even just outdoors on your property. Suppose your cat is then mauled by a coyote, or bitten by a rabid skunk. Should we not attempt to do something to control the skunk or coyote population? Don't the rabid skunks and coyotes have as much right to live as anything else, being gods creatures and all? If it was your cat that was killed or injured, you would probably want to eliminate the source of the problem, right?

Please also know that I wouldn't want anyone's pet to be killed, but thats why all pets should be kept indoors or on a leash. If you don't respect other people's property enough to keep your pets where they belong . . . oh well. And feral cats are most definitely not pets, and as far as I'm concerned rate somewhere with rats and attic squirrels. We shouldn't go out of our way to kill things for killings sake, but neither should we be squeamish to kill a pest if that is the most efficient way to solve a problem.

morea

03-10-2005, 12:08 AM

Did you read any of what I wrote, Lefty? I have spent 5 years and ridiculous amounts of money rehabilitating feral cats. I'm not simply a soft-hearted cat lover, but someone who studies what causes the actual problem and researches how to actually SOLVE the problem.

Shooting ferals does not cure the problem. Read the articles I posted earlier.

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Patrick Shannon

03-10-2005, 12:13 AM

The problem too is that such a law would be absolutely too easy to abuse. Hence why I told about the radio show/turkey story a little earlier, people don't need a reason to be bloodthirsty and cruel.

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morea

03-10-2005, 12:14 AM

Well said, Patrick.

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uncle carbunkle

03-10-2005, 12:16 AM

that article only made news because it was so retarded.

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morea

03-10-2005, 12:19 AM

as ridiculous as it is, this isn't the first place in the states to propose such a law.

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Ryan8720

03-10-2005, 12:40 AM

I don't like cats. Especially the one that keeps getting in my trash. I really would like to shoot that one.

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03-10-2005, 12:44 AM

Though I have not spent ridiculous amounts of money, I have spent a lot of time researching 5 gallon pails and in my studies I have conclued that placeing a cat head first in a bucket filled with water is by far the best way to solve the problem.

Stray bullets kill people,/DesktopModules/dotNetBB/emoticons/violent.gif Stray buckets don't. /DesktopModules/dotNetBB/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Just kiddin around morea /DesktopModules/dotNetBB/emoticons/ibf-iamstupid.gif

You all can keep debaiting the cat/squirrel/useless human problem if you want but this topic has gotten way ****ing dumb!

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MpiricL

03-10-2005, 12:45 AM

My cat would scratch your eyes out! RWOR! ffft fft!

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morea

03-10-2005, 12:50 AM

Mickey, your bucket theory seems even MORE dangerous to me than people wandering about with guns...

cat + bucket full of water = shredded wrists, aka, suicide by cat! Thems is sharp!!!

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Ryan8720

03-10-2005, 01:20 AM

Not if they have been declawed.

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uncle carbunkle

03-10-2005, 01:45 AM

declawed cats are just pathetic though.

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LeftBrain Artist

03-10-2005, 02:01 AM

Sorry if I offended anyone. I was just rationalizing solutions to specific problems, not the problem in general. I think what you do is really nice Morea, but unfortunately not everyone has the time, patience, and money to invest in rehabilitating stray or injured animals. If you save the life of even one cat and improve the quality of someone elses life as a result, its worth the effort. Unfortunately there's not enough people like you around, otherwise we wouldn't have this problem. I suppose my real point is that some people may have a legitimate reason for wanting to kill a specific animal due to a special set of circumstances. Hear them out before you judge them, and dont penalize them if their reason is legitimate.

Hell, I was never happy about drowning squirrels, I felt terrible the first time I did it, even as pissed off as I was at them. But I had found out relocating them was even worse, because they inevitably die of starvation when artificially placed into another squirrels territory. On top of thats its illegal to release animals onto any property other that your own, and of course if I did that it would be right back in the attic.

Mickey is right. This topic is dumb. I gots to work, not debate why shooting cats might or might not be OK.

BOSCOW

03-10-2005, 02:46 AM

midgets keep getting into my trash, since I cant shoot them I just sick the cats after them

Keyare

03-10-2005, 02:51 AM

Shooting cats to cut down on the population is just not right!
Especially if you own a chinese restaurant.

uncle carbunkle

03-10-2005, 06:50 AM

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Magnus

03-10-2005, 08:34 AM

Some quick points.

Leftbrain...if humans weren't at the top of the food chain, and someone decided that humans with blond hair required extermination due to over populating and encroaching on the "superior" species habitat, you might think differently on this issue.

On the pit bull ban in Ontario. It IS stupid. 99.9% of the time, it's the owner's whoturn their pet's into what they become. German shepards, labrador's, rotweillers and such have been guilty of the same crimes...why no ban there? IMHO, Vancouver has it right. They're targeting the owners of said dogs, not the dogs themselves with legislation to protect people.

On the whole cat issue. Well, Ullysses pretty much said what I would have (we could be clones..i'm not sure yet) anyway...I skipped this thread, figuring it couldn't be real.
Humans are quiet honestly the most destructive, patheticspecies on the planet. When we're not offing each other in record numbers, we focus on wild, FERAL animals who are somehow encroaching on our living areas, somehow throwing OUR lives out of balance, and we kill'em. Is that the best solution we can come up with? ****, we put people on the ****ing moon people!

As some have pointed out already, if there were higher powers, or, perhaps a higher intelligence (not to be found amongst human animals), then by now, our total population I am sure would have been reduced to 1 billion or less, due to the same transgressions we've killed animals for. So the point is then...who is going to police the human scourge of this planet, or will we just rely on another culture of humans to do that for us?

To quote Agent Smith:
I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species. I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to an area, and you multiply, and multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet, you are a plague, and we are the cure.

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idaho

03-10-2005, 06:03 PM

This is ridiculous! I don't see the killing of feral cats being a solution. How are the going to distunguish between feral and non-feral cats? All this would do is create a hunting season for cats. If I were to let my cat out to take a crap and someone shot it claiming it was a feral cat, I can guaran-damn-tee you that I'd kill the s.o.b!

I'm fully for the catch, neuter and release programs that are out there. Yes, feral cats are a problem BUT they do serve a purpose. They actually keep the squirrel, rat (in larger cities) and especially mouse populations down. If we didn't have cats running lose outside (feral or otherwise) we'd have mice EVERYWHERE. They breed much faster than cats do. We need wild cats!

If people want to talk about animals being dangerous when they run wild let's talk about dogs. Dogs tend to run in packs when they are loose and that's a whole lot more dangerous that wild cats.

Yes, I'm a cat lover. Always have been, always will be. Dogs I can do without (even though I have one). Especially the one that lives down the street and comes to my house just to poo in my yard and leave. The next time I catch it, I'll shoot it!

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morea

03-10-2005, 06:39 PM

Well DAMN! Looks like they're already starting to fight back!

story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=816&e=2&u=/ap/20050310/ap_on_fe_st/cat_shoots_owner (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=816&e=2&u=/ap/20050310/ap_on_fe_st/cat_shoots_owner)

Cat Shoots Owner

BATES TOWNSHIP, Mich. - A man cooking in his kitchen was shot after one of his cats knocked his 9mm handgun onto the floor, discharging the weapon, Michigan State Police said.

Joseph Stanton, 29, of Bates Township in Iron County, was shot in his lower torso around 6 p.m. Tuesday, the state police post in Iron River reported. He was transported to Iron County Community Hospital.

Michelle Sand, a spokeswoman at the Iron River hospital, said Stanton was treated there before being transferred to Marquette General Hospital for further treatment. But Marcie Miller, a representative of the Marquette facility, said there was no record of the hospital receiving a patient by that name.

A telephone message seeking comment was left Wednesday at Stanton's home.

State police said he was cooking at his stove when the cat knocked the loaded gun off the kitchen counter behind him.

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Ulysses

03-10-2005, 07:12 PM

Only in America ... lol

LeftBrain Artist

03-10-2005, 08:27 PM

For the record - my hair is brown. Down with the blonde hairs! Hey man, thems red hairs taint quite right neither . . .

Sigh.

Your all right, I was wrong and being a nazi, feral cats shouldn't be shot for any reason whatsoever, whatever the circumstances. Nor should they be stuck in a 5 gallon bucket of water, motor oil, hydrochloric acid, etc. After all, we need those cats to scare off mummys and eat trolls that live in your walls and try to steal your breath. Not to mention one of those cats just might have the cure to cancer locked up in its genetic code! Anyone caught killing a cat should be forced to watch re-runs of the Facts of Life, Diff'rent Strokes, and Gimme a Break until their morality is restored or they go insane, whichever comes first.

Regarding the Michigan incident - people dont kill people, cats dont kill people, guns kill people - we need to outlaw guns. Either that or bullets should be $10,000 each.

uncle carbunkle

03-10-2005, 08:32 PM

LeftBrain Artist said...
Regarding the Michigan incident - people dont kill people, cats dont kill people, guns kill people - we need to outlaw guns. Either that or bullets should be $10,000 each.

that's my partner's theory on it, too. the whole argument is ridiculous! they can try to get a law passed to be allowed to shoot their owners, but i've yet to see a cat with a spare 10k for bullets.

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Ulysses

03-10-2005, 09:19 PM

Uncle ... your partner wouldn't happen to be Natalie Dee by any chance? I only ask, because you've been posting a few of her works (which by the way, you've got me very interested in).

03-10-2005, 10:09 PM

Classic Chris Rock - Bigger & Blacker?

'Everybody talkin' about gun control. 'We gotta get rid of the guns.' We don't need gun control. You know what we need? We need bullet control. I think all bullets should cost $5,000. If a bullet cost $5,000, there would be no innocent bystanders.'

You know, there's like a butt-load of gangs on this forum. This one gang kept wanting me to join because I'm pretty good with a bo staff.

Magnus

03-10-2005, 10:22 PM

Leftbrain, it's not about being right and wrong, but simply destroying "something" because we're too lazy to figure out a better way isn't indicative of being an intelligent species.

Now, speaking to everyone...

There are exactly 2 reasons, and 2 reasons only when and why killing is the only viable option. Now...read this closely, because this may shock you...

SELF DEFENSE. For yourself or for others, when there is no other alternative but to kill or be killed.
FOOD. When your survival comes down to killing in order to eat.

Any other reason is pure stupidity, laziness, or the fact that you've never had someone place you in the same position. Ever had a gun pulled on you? Ever been stalked out in the woods by someone with 100% capability of killling you, with little chance of fighting back?

If your answer is No to either of the above situations, then you need to do some serious modificationsto your "I don't give a shit attitude because i'm too lazy to think."

We humans think we're gods...dealing out judgement and death to anything we see fit...oftentimes without thinking about the "why" to our actions. If you think we can do this without consequences, you're in for a shock. Eventually our lax attitudes towards EVERYTHING on this planet will catch up with us...from polluting the environemnt to exterminating endangered species, and everything in between. At what point will you, as adults decide to do something logical about it?

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Ulysses

03-10-2005, 10:41 PM

I agree with those 2 points Magus ... though I think we can safely agree that Self Defense is in fact, a mechanism of only ONE reason to kill ... TO LIVE.

uncle carbunkle

03-10-2005, 10:45 PM

and THAT, my friends, is why my cat is not allowed to own a gun.

she has got a laser, though.

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LeftBrain Artist

03-11-2005, 12:42 AM

So is it OK to harvest feral cats if you turn them into burritos?

Just kidding, I see your point Magnus. Here's another thought.

If we decide its OK to shoot the cats, we're assuming the mantle of godhood. If we decide that they should be allowed to live, we then condemn millions of songbirds, again assuming the mantle of godhood. If we instead say shoot the cats but let the songbirds live, how many insects, worms, etc. do we condemn to death in addition to the feral cats, not to mention how many plants don't get pollenated due to the lack of insects. Our ecosystem is incredibly vast and complex. The very fact that millions of feral cats inhabit America, in combination with uncontrolled hunting in years past, has no doubt contributed to the decline of native predators such as the wolf, fox, etc. (Tasmanian devil in Australia). The fact is there is nothing we can do to repair the damage done by introducing alien species onto native soils. How many lady bugs have you seen lately? Not the orange, biting ones that resulted from cross breeding with asian beetles; but a real live, bright red lady bug.

And if you think what we've done to the earth is appalling, through pollution and artificial manipulation of the ecosystem, you're right. But compared to what's occurred naturally in earth's history, what we've done pales in comparison. Look at the evidence of what happened the last time Yellowstone erupted. Scientists have estimated that we're overdue for a Yellowstone eruption, and should expect one in the next 50,000 years or so. If that happened today, game over. Sleep well knowing the cockroaches should pull through just fine though - the'yre the 'REAL' superior species on this planet.

At the rate things seem to be progressing, we should be taking care of ourselves well before the next natural disaster, unless we adapt somehow. Shooting feral cats wont save us from ourselves or from the earths whims, but neither can I see how protecting them will do any good.

The logical solution to the fireman's problem (after finally reading the article that started all this) - stop feeding the birds. Less work for everyone, no more trips to birdfeeder, saves money on seed and feeders, no dangerous firearms, no more feral cats. Why wouldn't this work? Because humans in today's society have an uncontrollable desire to manipulate the world around them to bend to their will, rather than bend their will to the world around them. Thats what I beleive to be wrong with society and must change if we are to survive ourselves. Thats the reason why the firefighter shoots cats, and conversly why Morea saves them. While on the surface the two seem to be diametrically opposed, their actions derive from a common flaw of society, a flaw we all share being part of this society.

imagemaker

03-13-2005, 01:34 PM

I only read the first page of posts, but they are rather strict on enforcement of animal abuse here in Arizona.

As for the Mrs. and me, I've had four cats and five ferrets in my 20 years at this house. My wife has had two. One of 'hers' and one of 'mine' survive. I/we have lost they to age, kidney failure and dog packs, so now they are indoor cats.

IF they should happen to get out, I will clean out your garden, vacuum your car (if you are dumb enough to leave the window down), and clean your windshield. But if your dog gets out, what do you do about the my family member it killed.

There are three (that I know of) neighborhood strays that I welcome into the yard. Along with the hummingbirds that built a nest under the patio. I don't feed them, but I don't shoo them or throw things at them. Two of them come and let me pet them-I'm working on the third. But they know that THIS yard is safe passage. It's the least I can do. It's what I ask for-safe passage through this place called life.

Oh yea, the two that we have, 8 year old Chin Chin is has had surgery once, and is still prone to bladder stone, so is on a prescription diet, while his unrelated 7 year 'brother' Charcoal, has been in twice for renal blockage, once for stones, and once for a not -quite-solid-deposit. So being prone to kidney stones, he has HIS own prescription diet.

Another pair of reason they are INDOOR critters.

I had to stop singing nursery rhymes because I break into tears over the 'Pop goes the weasel' line ever since someone made a crude remark about my ferret and a microwave oven!

More so than any human, when my Roxie, a long haired, blue eyed, white furred adoptee, aka the 'Miracle Cat' by the vet, passed at 7 from kidney failure, I knew I could trust him to let God know that I had taken good care of him, and provided him a good life.

Now you all will KNOW, without a SHADOW OF A DOUBT, just how LOONEY I am.

2:30 am. And I didn't sleep last night either. Thank God for Forums.

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