Gas Prices

[Ryan8720]

The cheapest price here is $2.35 a gallon. That is lowest grade too. I've seen it as high as $2.47. And from what I hear it is supposed to rise to over $3 per gallon and never drop below $2 again. I don't like it at all.

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[Patrick Shannon]

Something's gotta give, whether it's a riot or whatnot. I really can't see it flying to $3 (at this time). Heck, I voted for the other guy.

Anyway, it's a crisis. Didn't prices skyrocket really high back in the 80's? How'd that get resolved?

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[Ryan8720]

Patrick Shannon said...
Something's gotta give, whether it's a riot or whatnot. I really can't see it flying to $3 (at this time). Heck, I voted for the other guy.

I can. It is rising about 8 cents a week here.

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[Patrick Shannon]

In my area, it's been sitting as high as $2.30. It actually dropped today to about $2.19. Even if it fell to $1.70 or something I still consider that too high. (I was fine with $1.40-$1.50)

I know this is wishful thinking, but what if someone invented a way to mix substances in a mixture that powers automobiles on water (or something), and then instead of being greedy, they'd released the information on the internet? That's a fantasy of course, but it's an amusing thought....those greedy oil companies would be RUINED. But still, there are real life conspiracy theories.....

What are they working on now, hydrogen power, I think? Cheaper? More powerful, more efficient, I hear? The only thing that's a shame is that those savings won't be passed on to the consumer.

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[greyghost]

I voted for the other guy too.
What REALLY burns me up is Bush is very much tied to the oil companies. He's making a mint on us working folks.

when it comes to certain clients, remind yourself:
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[Patrick Shannon]

I don't want to veer too far off track or anything, and to be honest with you, I don't blame Bush for ALL of it. Asia's growing economy is putting a huge dent in it. But if it was Asia alone, who's to say what the prices would be? Maybe it'd be more like $1.70 or $1.90 (or something). I just read an article that depsite the prices being higher than they were last year (which skyrocketed then), oil production is far ahead of last years. Hmmmm.....

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[Bear]

Listen to yourselves. We pay 88p per Litre here. That's $1.66 per litre, 4 litres to the US gallon, that's over $6 a gallon. Quit whinging all y'all.

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[greyghost]

Yeah, but Bear, you guys have all these little cars that are fuel-efficent, and ours over here are guzzlers. We consume far more (blame the manufactuers)

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[Patrick Shannon]

Very true, our large cars are basically big p enises over here.

A host on Maxim Radio was talking about how a lot of Americans are thinking about selling their gas-guzzling SUVs for economy cars, and the hosts were livid over it and thought that anyone giving up their 'coolness' for a fart car was ridiculous.

Um.....if a more efficient car gets great milage, operates nicely and is built sturdy with good performance, why would you need a gas guzzler? As long as my car gets me from point A to point B with no complaint (and no monthly repair bills), I'm happy. I've had a Saturn for two years, does great on the gas, never has been in the shop, and I'm really happy. Some people who do offroad stuff might need the extra power, but soccer mom going to the grocery store does not.

Besides, you can spend that extra money you save on gas on pimping out your sound system ^_~

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[morea]

We're at $2.33 a gallon for regular here too.

We are one, our cause is one, and we must help each other if we are to succeed. ~ Frederick Douglass

[greyghost]

I agree.
We have a Toyota Celica, gets good milage, loads of fun to drive (manual of course)
I still have my Jeep Cherokee - it gets better mileage than a lot of SUVs, but I've had that car for 9 years (it's a '94) and it has over 200,000 miles on it - 175,000 of those miles are mine - I'm not giving such a good vehicle up, and sometimes I do go down dirt roads and stuff the Celica can't.

But yeah, a soccer mom doesn't need an SUV to get the groceries in. Sheesh.

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[Ulysses]

I hate to say it ... but gas prices will only keep rising (we all know it). If you've got sense though ... you'll learn to live without it as soon as you can. You don't want to be hijacking fuel trucks with suburban pirates, to fuel your beach buggy in 10 years time, do you?

[Bear]

ulysses, stay away from the free film four at the weekends, it's warping your perceptions on life

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[Ulysses]

Hahaha .. Bear. I tend to use my legs instead ... it's amazing how many people don't realise you can actually make your legs run (particularly todays teen youth). I swear ... people look with amazement .. as if I'm walking on water or something.

[greyghost]

I walk a lot. Haven't tried walking to the post office and all in my new town yet but I will soon, I'm sure.

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[Bear]

did you not pass your driving test ulysses /DesktopModules/dotNetBB/emoticons/lol.gif i'm finally moving though so no more need to commute... yay! and to keep it on topic, brilliant because fuels just gone up to 88p per litre, gosh darnit!

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[MD]

I voted for the other other guy. Hydrogen fuel cells are supposed to be the next big thing (there are cars out there that run on it) but right now the technology is at least 10 years off from what I heard. The equipment needs to be smaller and cheaper. After that if hydrogen takes off there is a whole infrastructure to worry about - supplying & delivering the hydrogen to the station.

patrick said...
I know this is wishful thinking, but what if someone invented a way to mix substances in a mixture that powers automobiles on water (or something), and then instead of being greedy, they'd released the information on the internet?

Wasn't that a bad Keanu Reeves movie?

Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.

Post Edited (MD) : 4/7/2005 10:18:09 PM GMT

[morea]

Ulysses, do you have any idea how long my 60 mile commute would take me if I were to WALK it? Damn!

Another incentive to working from home!

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[PrintDriver]

People are bad enough drivers now. Maybe there would be fewer of those if they were driving hydrogen gas bombs around...
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I'd take the train but oops, subsidies to the the rail companies were dropped. So were the lines I would need to take at the hours I needed to take them. Now if you miss the 5:20 home, you may as well get out your jammies.

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[woodwardo]

Hydrogen power is fully underway in some states. Like in CA they have the stations all over and pretty much every cab I got into was a hydrogen powered one. I think they get a tax break for using that or something.
Whatever the case - it's a good idea.
Gas prices here in OR are the highest they've ever been. Ever.
real nice

W

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[PrintDriver]

You sure it's Hydrogen and not CNG?
Lots of CNG vehicles here. The state uses them for a lot of things.

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[DivineDesign]

i just paid $38 for gas....argh...i'm gonna need a second job just for gas money lol

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[D-Zine]

Most I have paid is $28 but thats enough on what I make! lol

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[Patrick Shannon]

Before I hit my friend's house, I just shelled out $28. Grrr....well, at least I only need to do it every one-two weeks depending on usage.

Woodwardo is correct. I did see a TV report some time back on some of the Hydrogen stations that California is using.

My fencing instructor was talking a bit about hydrogen, if I understood him correctly, I think he said some (or all, perhaps) of the hydrogen cars right now don't strictly run on all hydrogen, but also on gas (which basically means gas consumption would be much, much lower).

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[CtrlAltDel]

The irony here for me is I just acquired an ancient car for the first time in my life...the car was 'free'; the operation of said car, not so much.


Still, I'm grateful I now have one since I work a considerable distance from where I live. Especially since our transit workers are set to strike on Monday.


can't recall where I read this, but the production of a Hydrogen fuel cell currently requires the burning of more fossil fuels than would be consumed during the effective life of the vehicle. Hopefully, someone will sort this out soon...


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[paulrandfan]

I voted for the other guy, and I find it highly ironic, that month's after bush's re-election, and his f'n 'mandate' little more than a third of the population is satisfied with the progress of this country, and his overall approval rating is down to 41% . What a cockbag.

I am glad that SUV's (the XL size anyway) have generated the following equation, people who own large SUV's=Stupid. Finally their selfish fuel needs will be rewarded with poor resale value. I've been looking at new cars recently, and the salesmen are almost giving the damn things away. They aren't leaving the showroom, and people aren't buying them.

The other day, I pulled into the gas station, realizing that the price had just risen to 2.17. I look at the pumps, and there are two suburbans, and one humvee, all seemingly owned by men with 'small man's complex', a mental affliction where men buy large, and expensive items to compensate for the underperformance/size of a body part. I'm already pissed at the price rising, and then to see the gas guzzlers...I just lost it, and went into bitch mode. The guy with the humvee tried to make small contact with me, and brought up the absurdity at the gas prices. I told him that if people were dumb enough to drive XL SUV's with little practical application in a small town, then they deserve the loss of income. He was totally shocked at this, and just stood there. I thanked him for making the situation bad for all of us, and drove off.

***** them
***** Bush
***** Repugs...

Sorry, I'm pissed and I've had it. I've had it being forced to be this involved in government to protect my rights, my environment, and the lives of my friends who might end up in Iraq. I'm pissed at 51% mandate crowd, who didn't think before they voted.

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Go here (http://www.fuh2.com/)if you're pissed about these gas guzzlers (not safe for work). Oh yeah, I voted for the other guy too.

If men who drive those huge, gas-guzzling monstrosities have small "you know whats", then since I drive a small, sh!tty car am I hung like an elephant?

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[Patrick Shannon]

So by that rule, Steve Urkel must have the hugest hog on television.

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[Big Perm-dizzle]

typically gas prices rise during the summer its the laws of supply and demand...more people travel in the summer. Of course the war isn't helping but this is typical. Gas is expensive, I drive an expedition. I am by no means small in stature and I dont have a 'small man's complex' please dont generalize everyone in an SUV. Why are you mad at other people choice to drive SUVs?...seems odd. I should be the one complaining about gas prices but I dont because if you choose to drive an SUV then you choose to pay more for gas. If I want to waste money and drive my leather filled eddie bauer expedition then its my choice. Honestly when your 6'4 320 you dont have many choices of vehicles...can you see me in a Vett or VW? And honestly I had a 2000 Lexus LS400 and I get the same gas mileage in the expedition around 18-19 hwy 14-15.5 city.

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[DeZiner]

Anarticle in this month's Motor Trend magazine shed some light on the rising gas prices, which when looked a from another perspective, makes the prices fair. They mentioned the prices people paid for aMcDonald's hamburger in the 60's, and now the same burger today is 6 timesmore theis was then, but guess what? people are still buying those burgers no matter the price change, and not making a nationwide complaint about it.Same thing with everything else that is bought. Brand new Corvettes, a couple thousand bucks in the 60's, are now $45,000 in today's world. Bottom line is prices for everything goes up. Compared to back then and the equivalent today, gas could be higher than it actually is -- if you go by equivalence.According to Motor Trend, gas per gallon in 1922had the equivalent of$3.00per gallonintoday's time.Sure, my dad hates the rising prices, he has three cars (oneof which is an SUV) Plusa zero-turn lawnmower that has twogas tanks on it. He may be mumbling on the way to the gas station, but just like he paid close to $10,000 for that mower, he's buying that gas. Even if it existed back then, how much would that mower cost back in the 60's? Not nearly 10 grand I'll tell you that much.

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[Patrick Shannon]

> typically gas prices rise during the summer its the laws of supply and demand...
> more people travel in the summer. Of course the war isn't helping but this is typical

That's true, it does go up in the summer. But oddly enough, it did not go back down after last summer and other than an extremely brief period where prices reached $1.49-$1.50ish, it stayed the same. Also the sudden swings in prices (up 30 cents all of the sudden) is alarming. Yeah, the war isn't helping at all, back last fall I heard other things like the hurricanes slowing production (but shouldn't they've worked through that by now?) and I have already mentioned Asia.

> Why are you mad at other people choice to drive SUVs?...seems odd.
> I should be the one complaining about gas prices but I dont because
>if you choose to drive an SUV then you choose to pay more for gas

Because gas consumption rises and the prices goes up for EVERYBODY.

> Honestly when your 6'4 320 you dont have many choices of vehicles...

But see, you have a reason. Greyghost (though it's a jeep and not a SUV) has a reason, going down dirt roads. As mentioned, soccer mom driving to the grocery store (there are plenty of other big, safe vehicles for families) or guy who simply wants to be cool (like Maxim radio hosts) just doing city streets has no need.

> Bottom line is prices for everything goes up.

That's true, but earnings typically go up with the times, too (well, good times anyway). So if my yearly earnings sharply increased, let em charge $2.00 or whatever for gas. But that's not quite the case lately and inflations is also hitting other areas (such as groceries) which is making things very hard on families. In some other thread on this board, some of the females were saying they weren't going to have children, not because they chose not to, but because it would be too expensive.

Also, in five years or so if the gas prices were $2.30 or maybe even a bit higher, whatever, but the fact of the matter is we've shot up nearly a dollar in about a year's frame, which is quite alarming. Prices were about $1.30 to $1.50 before that roughly, right? I have an article from my high school newspaper back in the timeframe of 1996-98, and the current gas prices were about $1.10-$1.20.

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[greyghost]

Ya know, the Hummers piss me off a lot too.
Serves them right to pay more per gallon. I read before they get around 8 mpg, not 10 or 12.

I've taken to pointing at them and laughing every time I see one. Be it the highway or the gas pump. Especially when I fill up the Celica - it may be $24 to fill it, but I get four times the gas mileage.

And I do get a lot of puzzled looks for laughing.

I'm an artist. I'm allowed to be strange.

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I'm an ARTIST, not a MAGICIAN!

[Jason Fraker]

There are a few solutions to this problem:

1) Gasohol - a mixture of gasoline and grain alcohol (not a complete solution, but cost effective)

2) Hydrogen Fuel Cell Cars - As mentioned, these would still require fossil fuels, but they are working on a way to do this in a more 'green' fashion. Plus, there is the infrastructure that would require billions

3) Electric Cars - You know, like Ed Begley, Jr. If nuclear power wasn't tainted in the public eye, this would probably be a viable option.

4) Something they haven't even thought of yet. Magnetics (ever see Minority Report?), Stirling Engines , propane powered cars, some sort of Solar/ Electric Hybrid.

When the going gets tough enough, we'll figure something out. One thing's for sure, gasoline will not last beyond our lifetimes. The supply is simply running out. It probably won't get any cheaper before it does. I'd say in 15-20 years, it will be very difficult to legally drive a gasoline powered car on our highways.

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[paulrandfan]

It's not like it's a new issue. Environmentalists and specialists have been saying this since the eighties, no one paid attention until the prices actually went up.

Gas goes up, resale value on SUVs goes dooowwwwwwwn

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[BOSCOW]

this is funny

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[The Digital Man]

Well it cost me $72 to fill up our family van (The one we take long trips on with the family). It has two tanks. My other vehicle is running me between 30 and 40 to fill. I work 16 miles away from my house and I'm going to ride my bike to work and back this summer. I did it a few times last year more for the novelty and excercise but this year I'm going to be serious about it.

Also, I'm just curious. If I bought one of those 2 cylinder small cars that they driver over there in Europe. Would it be street legal here?

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[Adamosity]

I feel your pain, dont know how it is over in the US, but Australia its in it pretty bad too, half the price we pay is pure government tax....grr
So in conversion to gallons we are currently paying about.... $4.40 for a gallon. and supposedly around $5.60-70 in 6 months time.

[shellebelle]

It's over $2.50 a gallon here (prolly closer to $2.60 now). Luckily, it's still around $20 to fill my car as it usually only takes 8.5 gallons. I get over 30mpg and I thank my lucky stars for that.

The problem with California is that what little public transportation we have sucks so you're stuck requiring the use of a car or you're spending three times as long taking the bus. I'd ride my bike to work/school if I didn't have to be presentable when I got there. Besides, I'd probably get run over by some soccer mom in a Suburban yapping on her cell phone.

I hate SUVs. My dad just got a Pilot and it's just being used as a commuter box.

I want a refund. My life didn't come with an owner's manual.