Joe!!!

[DivineDesign]

Joe (and Mrs. Joe if she cares to throw in some advice)http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/emoticons/worshippy.gif

So ok. I'm going on this cruise in June right. I hear you eat A LOT on cruises. http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/emoticons/dry.gif However, I dont' plan on stuffing my face, I'm sure I will enjoy the food. But,when we booked the cruise, my boyfriend and I decided to watch what we eat (which isn't so bad in general anyway) and get back into our gym/running routine. SO I have until June 10th. I know weight doesn't just drop fast magically. But, do you or the Mrs. have any ways of dropping a few lbs at least before I leave?Both of us could use the advice. We have been doing good. We went running everyday since we have booked our cruise (last wednesday) except yesterday b/c he was sick, and I didnt' want to go to the gym, but it ended up raining so I coudln't run either. I plan to go to the gym tonight (or run @ the park) and start my weight and abs routine. I just would like not at least not be miss flabby fat ass on the cruise and be somewhat toned....and I would like to drop about 5 lbs. Hopefully. Help?http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/emoticons/jumpin.gif http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/emoticons/unsure.gif

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[Magnus]

3-4 days of disciplined eating, then the rest of the week eat well, but don't over do it. On my disciplined days, I eat salad with slices of chicken breast or steak in it, and whole carrot stalks with tuna fish and onion mixed up in it (same thing you'd do with cream cheese). I also eat home made soups. I cut out junk food, snacks and any other garbage completely. And drink lots of water...no sugars or any junk like that. Sugar is the main enemy...fat is actually not that bad in balanced doses.

On the days where i'm back in normal mode, I might go out to eat with the boys, or have some kind of snack, though I still eat well during the day.

On top of all that since I'm sure you're only going to eat 3 times a day (5 smaller meals would be better for your metabolism), exercise. Go for a good 30 minute walk, jog, bike ride, swim, whatever. Do that 3 times a week and bob's your uncle, fanny's your aunt, and voila, you'll be where you want to be.

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[defjoe]

South Beach Diet

Best way to go. It's in 3 phases and Phase one which is 2 weeks long is a killer but you lose a lot of weight. I lost 9 lbs in 2 weeks. 15 over all. But everyone is different. Pam lost like 6 or something. Best thing to do is get this (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1579546463/qid=1084816271/sr=8-1/ref=pd_ka_1/104-1068087-8627144?v=glance&s=books&n=507846) book. Just to go a library and get it.

Like I said the first 2 weeks is a killer. No carbs AT ALL. No fruit, no bread, no soda (well diet)... nothing! But it works damn it... really. Also we know alot of other people that have tried it and it works for them right now also. We stay on Phase 2 (which is limited carbs) and still lose weight (not as rapid... but it does come off).

Working out with this will help also. bnut beware.. you WILL be tired. I was big time. but once you get through it.. it all comes together. Email us at home if you have any questions and we will be happy to help you along.

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[uncle carbunkle]

i know i'm not joe, but i thought i'd throw in my two cents worth. i hope it helps.

eat lots of protien and cut down on the starchy carbs. NOT ALL CARBS, just the starchy/sugary ones. ie. pita instead of wonderbread, brown rice instead of white and LOTS of fruit and veg. also, when you're eating, eat your protein and vegetables first. that way, you fill up on the 'good' stuff (so maybe you'll have less need to eat the 'not-as-good' stuff) AND your body will start processing your food a certain way - there's a theory that it'll continue processing a portion of the rest of the food in that same way (converting it to the 'energy' resources rather than storing it for later on your a$$). also, the best time to eat is within 1/2 an hour after exercising - because your body is 'recovering' and using up all of your fat stores (raised metabolism), so processes the food in your belly quickly into the 'right' type of stored-energy (again, not the a$$).

stretching is important, too. if you run, you'll be building muscles in your legs that may make your legs seem bigger, if not fatter, so don't forget to stretch your quads and calves to avoid the bulk.

eat what you want on holiday, but if you change your eating habits now, you may not crave the 'junk' that will tempt you while you're away anyhow. also, there are tonnes of activities on cruises: swimming, jogging, gyms, dancing, walking tours at ports, etc, so don't worry so much about gaining weight and what you're eating - just get up off of the deck chair every now and again!

[DivineDesign]

Oh boy. Here I go. Ok. So. We eat pretty well. We drink Slim fast shakes for breakfast, have agood lunch, and dinner, sometimes we'll substitute dinner with a slimfast shake. I'll bring carrot/celery sticks to work to munch on b/t meals. Thoguh the days I'min school its hard b/c its right in the middle of the day.

I have done the South Beach Diet twice. Last year before I went to the beach, and I lost about 10 lbs. Matt and I did it again a couple months ago. I even got the book. It worked for him, but for some reason it didn't do a damn thign for me this time. We even did phase one for 3 weeks, instead of 2. I have been to weight watchers, doen south beach, and nothign seems to be working. Granted I went on the pill a month ago. SO thast not helping. But I'm trying.

But I will take all of your advice, and let you know how it works out. http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/emoticons/huh.gif http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/emoticons/frusty.gif

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[defjoe]

Ok... I'm not endorsing this.. but Pam SWEARS by ephedra... she says she loses the most lbs when she is on that. If you can dig some up... it's up to you. Depends on how bad you want it. It has been linked with heart problems and such BUT I personally think that the % is VERY low. I think it is more of a media deal. they jumped on it and now everyone is going crazy about it.

Uncle Car.... I thought like you at one time. How can I cut out carbs totally? I work out i'll have no energy. Fruit... how can fruit be bad? But then I agreed to do it once with my wife, Pam, cause she did it. Well I'll tell you it does work! It makes sense when you read it. you are basically rebooting your body, cause all of us have been subjected to carbs over the years. The first 2 weeksi s to 'flush' the carbs out and you are basically retraining your body to intake them again. After the 2 weeks you intoduce some fruits back in (like Berries and such), whole grain bread, etc. I've been on it for a few months now and I feel great and have to say (ego boosting) look the best I have in years. Now i can splurge here and there. I can even have pizza and have no effect. I like that and it taste oh so much sweeter.

but I always say.. .what works for me might not work for you. EVERYONE's body is different and it reacts to situations different ways. you have to find what ois best for you.

but the I do have to say that in the people i have talked to... this diet gives the fastest results and being that you have very limited time DD (we are looking at under a month here), I think you should give it a shot again. But be VERY strict.. it sucks... but you have to look at big picture.

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[uncle carbunkle]

the pill can TOTALLY affect your weight!!! jeezaloo. don't sweat it. worry about your pant size, not the scales on that one.

maybe you can up your workout intensity level, if it's physically safe to do so. you sound like you've been exercising and dieting (i am against fad dieting, in principle) quite a bit, so your body can 'get used' to the regime and you can hit a plateau. perhaps you need to do something to shake up your routine. try a new exercise or exercise more intensely, (again - if it's safe). also, restrictive dieting will actually cause your body to stop burning fat and start storing more. you could look into eating more healthful foods during the day. almost 'constantly' eating foods with a high water content to encourage your body to give up it's stores and be a bit more liberal with the energy - allowing you to work out harder and actually loose some weight.

and drink lots of water. too much water. when you can't drink any more, have another glass. and if you feel hungry: drink water.

[uncle carbunkle]

defjoe - i work out a lot, and i work with people who use their body as their profession (martial arts instructors/competitors, actors, personal trainers, etc) and i can happily see them cutting out carbs as a part of a training routine. i just worry about advocating it as a method for the average bear to loose a few pounds. i've seen it become an easy way for people to keep weight off and never eat carbs again. unhealthy. be in ketosis for too long and chronic halitosis will be the least of your worries.

so, yes. i agree with you. for a few weeks, it'll do the trick. but be disciplined and be careful, because it can become as tempting a form of weight control as starvation.

[defjoe]

Oh and i think what you are doing for exercise is fine. Keep that up. alot of people, especially my old age and older :) tend to get discouraged cause they wil go to the gym for a few weeks and weight train and do abs but no cardio and eat like normal. they will actually GAIN weight and they don't get it. Well you ARE building up muscle and you DO have a six pack.... but it's under a layer of fat! It's like a pillow on six rocks. You have to BURN the fat away to show the muscle.

I have a friend and a few years back he wanted to work out with me.. go to the gym. Big guy...about 250+. I told him that he would have to walk/jog/bike etc. Heavy cardio and lighter weight training. I was full on weight training so we were at the opposite ends of the gym all the time. also he got those free PT sessions when you first join and that PT told him the same thing I did. Eventually he quit cause it was too hard. there is a science to this. it all makes sense when you think about it.

Ok i'm going off now but i hope this all helps. you have to take pictures on the cuise you know.

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[defjoe]

uncle carbunkle said...
defjoe - i work out a lot, and i work with people who use their body as their profession (martial arts instructors/competitors, actors, personal trainers, etc) and i can happily see them cutting out carbs as a part of a training routine. i just worry about advocating it as a method for the average bear to loose a few pounds. i've seen it become an easy way for people to keep weight off and never eat carbs again. unhealthy. be in ketosis for too long and chronic halitosis will be the least of your worries.

so, yes. i agree with you. for a few weeks, it'll do the trick. but be disciplined and be careful, because it can become as tempting a form of weight control as starvation.

COMPLETELY agree with you. It can become addictive... cause you do lose a lot of weight that first 2 weeks and it slows down after that. You have to be discipline. Understand the process and idea of the SBD. I think what you have seen will work just as well... cutting out carbs. But being that she has a limited amount of time right now and wnats results quick, the SBD might be the best way. The low carb Atkins way is the same idea... just a slower process.

I do agree also with you on fad diets. no a big fan, Slim Fast, WW, JC, etc. It's all very simple more calories out then in, until you get to your goal weight. then you stabilize and maintain.

oh and another thing about the fad diest is that people don't understand (cause it's not promted like this) it's a LIFESTYLE change. you can NEVER go back to the way you ate before. I don't really like to call them 'diets' cause that says that it is temporary (cause of how we have been taught in society). you have to make a lifestyle change!

Like you said, water is great... promotes weight loss. The pill DD is on is just giving her water weight... tips the scale but you don't reall 'see' any effects of it.

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[DivineDesign]

Joe-
I have to be honest. Last year and for a while I was taking Hydroxycut, but I had tried the ones with Ephedra, that was a BAD idea.http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/emoticons/nono.gif My body does NOT agree with it. So i took the ephedra-free ones, and got some good results. I started taking them again a few months back, but they didn't work. Matt, last year took Xantrex and lost about 20lbs on them. So he suggested I try it if I promised to eat well and exercise. If I could get my damn self to remember to take them, i might see some results. http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/emoticons/frusty.gif

Oh- and Uncle Car- about the water thing. I do that anyway. When i was on weight watcher back in 2001....thatswas a huge part of it, and i have to admit that a lot of that has stuck with me. I carry a water bottle in my purse wherever i go. I drink it all day, and from that I dont' ever drink soft drinks, or anything anymore. Its tea or water.

Imean, I'm not saying I'm a lard ass (even though my mind thinks I am, but thatsmy female low self esteem level). Taking from dad's side of the family, i have a med-large bone structure, and am very muscular, so when i get toned, i tend to tone well. I just need the motivation, and to find something that works. And knock offthe fewextra "boyfriend doesn't care what i look likepounds" and pill weight.http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/emoticons/weep.gif

However, I will continue doing what I'm doing, and use some of all of your advice. Its only been a week since I haveREALLY been back into it, so we'll see what happens.....

I will definitely take pictures on the cruise...no doubt about it. http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/emoticons/thumbsup.gif

Thanks all for your help. If you have anyting else to add...dont' hesitate!!!! http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/emoticons/ibf-iamstupid.gif

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[uncle carbunkle]

if it's motivation that's a problem, why not try a sport that you find fun? i hated the gym until i discovered that i'm the type of person who needs to be challenged mentally WHILE being challenged physically (i already know how to run, row, ride a bike and climb stairs - what's there to learn?).

if that's not motivation enough, imagine your holiday snapshots: tanned, smiling, covered in tanning oil...hell, once you get on board you won't care anymore! just have a blast!

[DivineDesign]

Its more of just getting up an going. Matt (my bf if u haven't already gathered, whom i'm going on the cruise with) and I have promised each other no matter what, we will force each other to go. Its worked so far. :) I'm not much of a sports person. I was a dancer and swimmer from age 5 and up, so I have that, but since i graduated HS, I dont' do either. I dont' midn the gym, or running...its just getting up to do it.

You're right about imagining the pictures. Last ngiht I pulled out my bathing suit as a reminder. And actually, I'm in my best friends wedding In july, so I have my bridesmaid dress hanging up outside my closet as well, as a reminder. I try it on once a month to see how I am doing. So far so good. :) Little things like the bathing suit and dress, and being forced to go help to. It's alllllll in ur mind.

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[defjoe]

I am a gym person (as alot of you know) but I too can get bored. Especially with Cardio. so lately i have been finding some alternative things to do. I'm so glad I got a bike for myself and my wife this past xmas. I love riding around instead of the stationary bike at the gym. also I have been into hitting at the batting cages. That really works up a sweat and it's great cardio. you have to think outside the box.

I have never been into sups. I never have touched any. A lot of my gym friends do. I have a pal right now that swears by Rapid Fuel. I think he has taken Xantrex as well. t each their own. If it works for you and yo don't mind any potentiel side effects.. more power to ya. like i said... different things work differently in different bodies (like your reaction to ephedra).

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[DivineDesign]

as my dad says 'i dont' feel like doing it, but i'm gonna'

:)

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[defjoe]

actually.. this is how the forum USE to be like before everyone got busy. alot of regualrs are not even chiming in yet.

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[DivineDesign]

yep yep......We used to have liek 4 or 5 new topics a day...but we are so busy..I'm just now calming down and have some free time...like today. :)

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[Magnus]

Hey Joe...I was reading in one of those movie magazines you get at the cinema...Thomas Jane (The Punisher) said for two months he went on a strict diet...no sugars at all, only complex carbs. Fish, good 'ol meat, beans, salads and no fruit either. He also drank protein shanks galore...and worked out 2 times a day for a couple hours a time. He said psychologically it was the toughest thing he's ever done.

He looked great in that movie though.

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[defjoe]

I had heard about that too. so basically we was on the SBD... a little adjusted (and i'm sure he had a PT with him all the time). but i bet his energy level was low the first few weeks till he adjusted.

He did cut up alot for that movie.. .my wife seemed to like it.

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[defjoe]

Hey everybody , this is 'the mrs.'..... Here is the the deal Rachel...you have to be committed to the program, whatever it may be. If you truly only want to lose 5 pounds, don't sweat it to much. it will make little difference in how your clothes fit and you will not likely notice it when you look in the mirror. Psychologically you will feel better when you look at the scale which, in turn will give you a better self concept and thus more confidence. If you tone well please remember that this may cause you to GAIN weight but look better. It sounds like you need more weight lifting than anything else. Lifting properly will increase your metabolic rate and a side effect COULD be weight loss but not definitivelty. Your muscles need time to heal and rebuild as each time you lift you tear fibers and rebuild, which is what gives 'definition'. REST a day between muscles groups, set up a schedule for yourself, kind of like school. Do not to abs EVERY day, every other day will be better. You also should switch the type of moves you do with each muscle group, for example each muscle group should be done 2 times per week but alternate what you do each time, use free weights day1 and day 2 use the machines. The machines will isolate the muscle where free weights require the assistance of your 'core' muscle group as well as the muscle you are working on. Concentrate on FORM... 5 reps using proper form will show better results than 15 reps with improper form. As far as all the hype about 25 reps for legs using light weights and 12 for arms with heavy..here is the bottom line... exersize is science, plain and simple. Your muscles get to a point where it does not matter how many more reps you do..they are torn and then getting fatigued. The problem is the number of reps is different for everybody..but here is the standard...lift (arms, legs, back, shoulders, abs...,doesn't matter) at a weight where you are fatigued on the 8th rep and continue on to do 2-4 more reps (total of 10-12 reps) repeat this 3 times (3sets). Anything after that is pretty much futile and can have an ADVERSE effect becaue you will tire your muscles too quickly to perform the next set properly. Definition will come quicker if you stretch the muscle after each SET. Ok...I guess that is enough for now..I have TONS more to add but I don't want to overwhelm or bore you :) Lastly, no matter what you PLAN on doing, if you never do it NOTHING will happen. Hope I was helpful
Pam

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Just a little humor for you guys, on diets...
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press the cartoon titled Fatikins Diet.
This'll make ya laugh, lots of swearing fyi
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BTW I'm thinking of doing some form of diet, I'm 6'4' 260 lbs, I am relatively broad, not dumpy fat, hugging me would be like hugging a wall. Need to get rid of the stomach tho. I dont really care about looking like a model, but I want to drop at least 40 lbs for my health

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[DivineDesign]

Thank you Pam!!!!!!! I'll definitley take your advice....if i have any other questions I'll let Joe know. :)

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[LTG]

ok - stuff I've heard of that has worked for others but haven't actually tried yet ...

CLA - conjugated linoleic acid - 'This free fatty acid is thought to play an important role in fat loss and maintenance of lean muscle.' (I think you can get it at health food places like wild oats - I ordered some last week from a vitamin place - my mother took it and said she didn't change her eating much at all and lost weight, so I'm thinking that if you do change your diet and take it maybe it would work really well)

Lipidox & Hepatothermic Therapy - a combination of natural ingredients and one of those lifestyle diets - don't know anything about it really except what I've read - http://www.nutriguard.com/weight%20control.htm - (I don't sell it so I hope it's ok to put a website)

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