Dreamweaver vs GoLive... chime in

[GetErDone]

Hello guys n gals...



Going to buy an html editor, in order to make myself even more indispensable at work :rolleyes: . I know a little and am currently reading a few books to help the process along, but I want to accelerate the curve. The company I work for wants to update their site. From what I’ve researched purchasing either of the above programs will help me get something up sooner than straight coding and with a better result than using Microdevil’s :mad: FrontPage. As far as a learning curve is concerned, which would you recommend? Please discuss interface and editing in your responses.



Shanks a bunch :)



-the newb

[Drorain]

Well, you dont have to make that choice next year cause Macromedia was bought by Adobe, and Go-Live is now...well DEAD :eek: seeing it will be getting the axe next release it is better to invest and learn dreamweaver, you'll also save money on the future upgrades...and since go live will be dying, you'd need to jump to dreamweaver at some point anyway

[Dakota1]

Well, you dont have to make that choice next year cause Macromedia was bought by Adobe, and Go-Live is now...well DEAD :eek: seeing it will be getting the axe next release it is better to invest and learn dreamweaver, you'll also save money on the future upgrades...and since go live will be dying, you'd need to jump to dreamweaver at some point anyway

Hey Drorain,

Is Adobe axing golive for sure?

[GetErDone]

I didn’t realize that Adobe was going to kill GoLive. I assumed they’d keep the products separate to make more money. I’m glad that only one will survive because, I’m sure, in an effort to cut costs both products would suffer w/o the competition to make them better.



I did a search and found this thread:

http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=307&page=1&pp=10&highlight=dreamweaver+golive (http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=307&page=1&pp=10&highlight=dreamweaver+golive)



…some good info in the posts. I’m reading Elizabeth Castro’s book and have also purchased Sam’s Teach Yourself HTML by Oliver & Morrison. Any other HTML books I should consider?



Also, since I’m going to purchase Dreamweaver, anyone have suggestions for tutorials or books? Please keep the suggestions coming!

[Drorain]

I would get the first Visual Quickstart book, this series is amazing for the nuts and bolts of any program basics...and it won't break the bank at a cool 19.95

Look up visual quickstart, dreamweaver mx 2004

[Drorain]

Its been mentioned in one of the blogs, I'll find the link...

It's not completely for sure yet, but it should be coming as dreamweaver is the bigger, better program

http://blogs.graphicdesignforum.com/chrisd/archives/2005/05/golive_firework.html#more

A short excerpt from that article linked in that blog....

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NPD predicts that Photoshop and Dreamweaver customers will be least affected by the merger, as these products will remain largely intact. In the short run, the customer using both Photoshop and Dreamweaver "won’t need to do anything differently." Later, this customer will "probably be able to buy a single suite of tools from Adobe, resulting in significant cost savings." Over the long run, Adobe will likely "offer this customer a suite of tightly integrated solutions, built on an ever increasing number of core technologies and common user interface elements." Dreamweaver may eventually be "forced to do things slightly different" as Adobe modifies the application conform to its interface standards, but NPD expects Adobe will “reduce the pain” for the Dreamweaver customer by offering Quark XPress keyboard shortcuts and more.

GoLive customers may see the product sold to another vendor, according to NPD. Not only would Dreamweaver replace GoLive as Adobe's Web site creation package, but FTC regulations will likely require the sale of GoLive. "While future versions of GoLive will no doubt still be appealing to designers, the eventual integration of Dreamweaver with other Adobe programs, not to mention Dreamweaver’s inclusion in future versions of Creative Suite, will entice many users to make the switch."
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[Dakota1]

I didn’t realize that Adobe was going to kill GoLive. I assumed they’d keep the products separate to make more money. I’m glad that only one will survive because, I’m sure, in an effort to cut costs both products would suffer w/o the competition to make them better.



I did a search and found this thread:

http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=307&page=1&pp=10&highlight=dreamweaver+golive (http://www.graphicdesignforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=307&page=1&pp=10&highlight=dreamweaver+golive)



…some good info in the posts. I’m reading Elizabeth Castro’s book and have also purchased Sam’s Teach Yourself HTML by Oliver & Morrison. Any other HTML books I should consider?



Also, since I’m going to purchase Dreamweaver, anyone have suggestions for tutorials or books? Please keep the suggestions coming!

Great DreamWeaver book: Foundation DreamWeaver MX 2004

Great HTML Book: Elizabeth Castro HTML For The World Wide Web

Do not forget CSS: Great Site http://www.w3schools.com/css/default.asp

[Studio 7]

currently i use dreamweaver, its an easy program to get to grips with imo, and there are lots of helpfull tutorials avaible for it more so than GoLive. Dream weaver offers a more or less better starting point to get your work together and on the web.

I have Go Live CS2 i havent even bothered to install it when i was bought the Cs2 suite it was the only one i thought not worth the effert.

[DeleteYourself]

I'd be very disapointed, for one if GoLive dies at the hand of Dreamweaver.
In my panic, I did some research, here's what I found:

From Macworld.com: (http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=11634&Page=1&pagePos=2)

The majority of Macworld Online readers voting in a recent poll think that the Adobe's buyout of Macromedia spells death to GoLive.

Of 1,528 votes, over half, 54 per cent voted that the Dreamweaver Web editor would survive at the expense of GoLive.

Only 7 per cent thought GoLive had the best chance of survival should the two go head to head.

Almost a fifth thought it likely that Adobe and Macromedia would combine the two applications – 16 per cent.

Another 4 per cent thought that the companies would continue to produce both applications separately.

A pessimistic 1 per cent see no future for either application.

Whatever the outcome, 18 per cent simply "don't care".

"I suspect this all comes down to profit," writes one reader. "If Adobe can make a profit with all of the applications, it'll likely continue to support them. If not, GoLive is likely to vanish, because it's simply not up to Dreamweaver's standards, and is far less popular. I suspect Fireworks will also vanish, although the case for Illustrator or Freehand is significantly less clear cut."

Another predicts: "I think the best bits will survive from both to make new version of Dreamweaver (rather than GoLive)."

From Digitalmedianet.com: (http://vegas.digitalmedianet.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=31946)

In the web development market, GoLive and Dreamweaver are the two major WYSIWYG builders, so the acquisition in this area is going to be quite interesting. While they are both solid applications and are used quite heavily around the world, Adobe has to be thinking about their next move. On option might be to scrap GoLive in favor of using Dreamweaver. This would make sense as many reports I have seen indicate Dreamweaver is being used more in the industry. Another option would be to keep both applications alive and double dip, so to speak. Yet another solution would be to take the best of both applications and Frankenstein them together into an uber-WYSIWYG product.

From The Register (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/04/19/adobe_and_macromedia_bad_news_for_online_tools/)

Most mergers and acquisitions are about cost-cutting, and many are a sign of the failure of the acquirer to develop products and services that can compete with those of the acquiree. Despite Adobe CEO Bruce Chizen's statement that the acquisition "is not a consolidation play", this is the certainly the case with its take-over of Macromedia. Dreamweaver won't suffer as badly from the poor parenting as PageMill and GoLive experienced, but neither is it likely to flourish, and that is bad news for online development and collaboration.

[GetErDone]

Thanks for the recommendations everyone. I appreciate the links to the articles for more complete information as well.

I have a lot to digest. I order a seat of dreamweaver, as well as the foundations book and the missing manual. I’m on my way... :confused:

If anyone else cares to chime in, please do so…

[skinns]

Its been mentioned in one of the blogs, I'll find the link...

It's not completely for sure yet, but it should be coming as dreamweaver is the bigger, better program

Whoa, watch it there, those are fight'n words... Thats like talking about which religion has GOD cornered.

If anything should be axed, it should be "Fireworks"

[Drorain]

Your more loyal to GoLive? maybe I should play with it, before I lay judgement. What feachers work better?

[skinns]

Which is better, you ask. They both have strong and weak points. I started out with Dreamweaver and then eventually switched to Golive, mainly because all the adobe products (photoshop, imageready, golive, etc) talk to each other while designing. So it just makes things easier.

I assume Fireworks and Dreamweaver do the same.

Its all user preference really.

[EC]

The Missing Manual is awesome, and visual quickstart's DHTML and CSS ... a great combo.

[Ryan8720]

They both suck.

[skinns]

Awesome feedback Ryan8720. Ya know these forums are for folks to learn, share, and spread knowledge to others that have the same intrest. If they both suck, what would you recommend and why.. or is that to many words for you type?

[Ryan8720]

Yes it is too many words. This question has been asked dozes of times. There is a search function for a reason.

[Drorain]

ryan's right, he's answered this question many many times in the past

[benjo]

skinns I know your new around here but Ryan is just tired of answering the same question.

Really this has been answered many times. It really doesn't matter what you use as long as you know HTML and CSS. Web design is not print design knowing just software doesn't cut it.

[skinns]

*sigh…
Benjo, I wasn’t the author of this thread, nor would I have started it! I have been in many discussions regarding this topic and since both of the Softwares in question continue to upgrade AND the two are now under one roof I think it is a VALID TOPIC. Were not just talking about which one is better.

Me being new here is really irrelevant. What is relevant is that Ryan decided to be a part of the discussion.

There is a rule of thumb regarding the forum culture. If you see a thread that you are not interested in, just ignore it. If you have some information that might be helpful to the author then apply some content. That’s why I was anxious to see if Ryan’s comments had any value.

I don’t mind rehashing subjects like this. Especially with young designers who are anxious to learn and have a actual discussion on a forum.

WHO THE HELL wants to read old post anyways.

[ecsyle]

They both suck.
Agreed.
*sigh…
words....
Way to tell the veterans how to post on their own forums. There is also a reason that old threads still exist, why they have a search feature, and why after seeing these threads popup all the time, it really gets annoying. Both programs are ass. They make you dependent on proprietary software to both manage and build your sites, when html, css, etc, can be just as easily edited with a nice text editor. The result is cleaner, more portable code, and a far stronger understanding of what you are doing. I have become a much better webmaster and designer since I stopped depending on the software to do it for me.

I have learned a great deal by reading old threads.

[benjo]

Ecsyle Thanks.

So I don’t feel like I need to elaborate as the point has been made.

Not only that it’s pretty pointless to have a spar of words when so many people in this forum already know our intentions. I think the general consensus is we don’t shut down new designers and we do help but this is no attempt to justify us.

You seem very defensive skinns and I really don’t know why. Anyhow let keep this on topic and not derail it to establish our own point of views.

[uncle carbunkle]

personally, the program that hurts my brain most is notepad.

ow.

[DeleteYourself]

ditto.

[ecsyle]

Oh god, notepad. Yeah. I won't even bother with that one. I am fond of BBEdit. Or in windows, Macromedia Homesite.