ID CS for PC issue

[morea]

Neuro is having an issue with this... anybody have any ideas?


"When we outline text in ID CS for PC it is dropping out the underline and the stroke that is applied to the text box.

We are using lines and boxes to bypass the issue but I am curious if anyone else is having the same issue and if they might know why."

[Broacher]

Yes, that's normal. I don't know why. But to convert text to outlines and leave the box outline, just use the text tool, select all (Ctrl-A) and then Convert to Outlines.

[morea]

Thanks Broacher... he also wanted me to ask the following:

"did you notice that when you do that for outlining it actually changes the kerning of the letters but if you do the select all with the selection tool that it doesn't? Just another strange thing."

[Broacher]

>>did you notice that when you do that for outlining it actually changes the kerning of the letters but if you do the select all with the selection tool that it doesn't? Just another strange thing.<<

I couldn't say that I could duplicate that here. Curioius... what kind of font was it that he was using-- T1, TTF, OT? I tried all three here, both with Optical and Metric spacing. But no go. Was there local tracking applied?

[morea]

he is having trouble with ALL fonts from Adobe font folio... no kerning or tracking was applied, it was straight text. hmm...

[morea]

lol, I wish that they hadn't taken away his internet access. I am sure he could explain this a lot better to you directly... BUT:

he is sending some screen shots, so maybe that will help. And it's not actually changing the kerning... if you select the box and make outlines it doesn't move, just drops out the underline, etc. If you select the text and make outlines, it moves to the left.

[morea]

"Ok, I think the change is visible and not actual but it is definitely moving it left on some of them. I did it with New Aster and Helvetica and noticed the whole line moved slightly to the left, only when the text is highlighted and outlined. That seems weird. If the text box is selected and it is outlines then it does not move. See the example I used with Helvetica.

postscript: It does seem to be font specific. I just used Eurostile and it did not move either way."

[Broacher]

Oh, I see what you mean. That's just the boundary shift from a text frame to a graphic frame. The graphic frame is right on the points of the object itself, while with a text box, there's always a little built-in buffer boundary defined by the glyph in the font itself before or after the character. It's there to accomodate the different possible combinations between letters, and as a sort of 'safety' margin for determining the actual alignments of lines, etc. When you convert text to outlines of course, all that's ignored and it's my guess that ID just realigns everything to the top left corner as a kind of 'housekeeping' solution. When the type is inside a frame that has an outine applied, this doesn't change anything because the frame line is already there. You see?

[morea]

gotcha... thanks!