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Ulysses
06-07-2005, 04:58 PM
One firm in four catches CV liars Angry bosses at one in four firms have withdrawn a job offer after discovering that the prospective employee lied on their application form or CV. Similarly, 23% of bosses said that they had fired a staff member after finding out they had lied to get the job. But, the number of "liars" may be the tip of the iceberg as many firms said they do not carry out basic checks.

The Chartered Institute of Personnel Development (CIPD) warned UK firms were a "soft touch" for CV fraudsters. Nearly half of firms interviewed by the CIPD said that they rarely or never checked candidates' academic qualifications. As for absenteeism, 20% of employers either rarely or never checked how much time candidates had taken off from their current job.

Rebecca Clarke, CIPD spokeswoman warned employers that they must check out CVs and applications.

"If you don't have rigorous pre-employment checks in place, you risk being a soft touch for people who are willing to be dishonest to get work or advance their careers," she said.




I'd never lie to get what I want ... I am too moral, and besides, I get too much of a buzz knowing I god damn earned my happiness. I do think a person is entitled to use their immoral skills (if those skills are ultimately the only skills that that person really has) in non-important jobs, but any job in which incompetance to do a job safely could possibly put people at harm, I just cannot understand or tolerate.

Now, I really have a thing against specialist shops and stores that employ people who very obviously have no knowledge for their job. Trainees are understandable, but not when you go to the same DIY store for 5 years, to find that somone still doesn't know how to use a god set square.

As wise people say: honesty, makes for a happy and guilt-free life.

What are people's experiences? Have you lied or know some lying bastid that walked into a great job?

morea
06-07-2005, 05:04 PM
I've never lied to get a job... and I can't imagine any circumstance in which I would.

As a bonus, there are less stories to remember.

"To be persuasive we must be believable; to be believable we must be credible; credible we must be truthful." - Edward R. Murrow

"It pays to be honest, but it's slow pay" - Proverb

Ghastly
06-07-2005, 05:10 PM
I am willing to bet that the percentage of people applying for GD positions (or any others) with grossly exaggerated c.v's is well over 50%...what decides whether people get a job these days is whether you can do the job and can sell yourself. Given that liars negate the first consideration they need only worry about the second. I am of the opinion that deception has a synergistic relationship with good selling technique, and so they do pretty well with the second. From what I have seen from my interviews lately...I think the interviewers lied on their c.v's too.

I don't do myself any favours by being a honest person (my friends think very highly of me but i'm still skint)

Patrick Shannon
06-07-2005, 05:15 PM
I used to be under the "do not lie" camp, but I think Lisa Simpson put it best, "Everyone pads their resume." It really all depends on what you're lying on. Now if you flat out lied on your skills, that WILL catch up to you, no question. However, if you do have the skills and you're being discriminated against because the other applicants have somehow gotten work at the big, reputable studios and you haven't, then that's a problem.

On my resume, I recently switched the name of my copy shop to it's parent corporation name. Since that's the name that's on my paychecks, that's not exactly a lie and it makes the listing look more impressive. Instead of "oh, he just works at a copy shop," the employer might question "Oh, SoAndSo Inc? That sounds interesting."

Otherwise, everything else is truth. I guess it's not so much "lying" as it is padding, after all, you have a lot of resumes full of other liars to compete against.

Ulysses
06-07-2005, 05:28 PM
From what I have seen from my interviews lately...I think the interviewers lied on their c.v's too.

Oh god, yes. You've had one of those too!? Hahahahaha ... it makes a change though, huh!?

Ulysses
06-07-2005, 05:30 PM
"It pays to be honest, but it's slow pay" - Proverb

Pfft ... more like NO PAY most of the time, morea. But I do agree with the sentiment 100%.

Ulysses
06-07-2005, 05:34 PM
On my resume, I recently switched the name of my copy shop to it's parent corporation name. Since that's the name that's on my paychecks, that's not exactly a lie and it makes the listing look more impressive. Instead of "oh, he just works at a copy shop," the employer might question "Oh, SoAndSo Inc? That sounds interesting."

To me, that is not lying either. As you say Patrick ... padding facts of truth is fine, it is marketing. But marketing a useless product is not for me ... if your business is stupid enough to buy a paper bucket instead of a plastic one, let them get their feet wet is what i say.

D-Frag
06-07-2005, 06:03 PM
shit my old boss lied on his application, it took us 6 months to convince the owner that we were spending 50% of our time re-doing his work because of screw ups. top that off with the $60,000 a year he was getting, and yes, I think that lying will get you were you need to go. now if you can do the job and not get caught, then your a better thief then my old boss.

ive never lied with anything to do with a job, maybe that's why I cant find a position. oh yeah, and my old boss is still working in this industry, last time i checked he got a position as head designer for the city in San Fran...blah, pisses me off.

Patrick Shannon
06-07-2005, 06:30 PM
last time i checked he got a position as head designer for the city in San Fran...

I bet :P

Image
06-08-2005, 02:03 AM
I would lie. I shoplift, too.

Once I took back something I stole, though, because the old lady at the counter was nice to me.

Takayuki
06-08-2005, 05:07 AM
Lie, is something you should stay away the fardest you can.

Saying the truth may sometime be a damage to you,
saying the truth you may not get a certain job,
but by lying you may lose your client for ever,
by lying you may lose your job,
by lying you may lose your best friend
worse yet by lying you may lose everything.