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    #1
    Wow, what a great forum! Its good to see so many other people with a passion for design but so sad to see that so many of us have no respect for what we do.

    I'm a graphic designer with 15 years of experience and a BFA in design. I've advanced to the level of art director. I've worked in the corporate world for most of my career and I know exactly how you guys feel about the lack of respect--indeed, its often DISrespect--towards our work. Nobody tells you in school what this career will be like--if they did, everyone would switch majors. What other careers do you spend four years in school for, only to have people in totally unrelated fields tell you how you could do your job better?

    People have told me repeatedly not to take it personally when someone comes into my office and says 'ewwwwww who chose this paper--its SO unprofessional!' Um, yes that would be ME, thanks! (This was after choosing a paper that had a small speckle in it for stationary. It was beautiful stock). Or don't feel bad when someone says 'let me lay it out instead. I know what I want'. This of course produces something dreadful done in Word, and yes, they are happy with it, but they have effectively cut me out of the entire project and I am supposed to be fine with that? I take pride in what I do and doing this kind of stuff to me makes me feel just awful.

    Do I walk into the accountants office and tell him how he could do his job better? Do I go down the hall and tell the company lawyer how to practice law? Why is it okay for people to do this to us? If I protest, I am labelled 'difficult'. When I say nothing, I
    hate myself and my job. After several positions, I began to realize it is the CAREER, not the particular workplace, and it ain't gonna change.

    So I went back to school and am halfway through my Master's degree in Social Work. Maybe I can give burned out designers some good therapy Actually, I plan to go into private practice and work with troubled teenagers. While they might not be appreciative all the timeeither, I at least know that my dedication is meaningful. I will probably do some design on the side but I will pick and choose what I do.

    Thanks for listening to me vent! [img]/emoticons/frusty.gif[/img] If you want to see any of my current work, check out www.besthealthplans.com

  • #2
    VERY good explaination...bravo to you. everything you said is true.

    'I will become the most powerful Jedi ever!'

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    • #3
      however I hear social work is has a high turnover rate due to the horrible things you see and hear about the 'outside world'

      my freshman year of college I worked at Movie Gallery and my manager quit doing social work because the things she saw were the most horrible things you could imagine. She said it kept her up at night.

      On a lighter note: Good Luck to your new career

      are you going to freelance? dont let your talent/ skills go to waste....

      JUST LAUNCHED - www.hirethisdesigner.com - check it out

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      • #4
        I know exactly how you feel! (It only took me 5 years to realize this though. he he )

        I'm getting out of GD as a career and going back to school to study nursing.

        "Who am I? Where did I come from? Who are these demons, and why do they relentlessly cross my path?"

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        • #5
          Will you be happy doing nursing? the problem is that in my family once everyone heard I was going into graphic design nobody understood what the heck it was no matter how much I explained and then they would make the comment well why didnt you go into nursing or business? Like those are the only two professions out there. Yeah it is perfectly fine if your heart in it and you maybe dont know what you want to do but or just frustrated with your current job like you madora. Does anybody else know what I am talking about?

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          • #6
            The approval of GD is based on taste. Taste is based on perspective and perspective is based on the ignorance of our customers.

            It's a viscous cycle and we can’t control it. =(

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            • #7
              Great explanation....I dont understand (ok i kinda do with mad, the state drove her to it) how some of you people want to leave the industry though....I mean common whats better then sitting down all day on a computer? I really enjoy what I do, yes I stress out and freak during stressful times, but after its all over and the dust settles I can look at my creation with a smile, knowing that I created something that everyone is going to look at. It may not be fine art, or uplifting, but if I can get through to 10 out of the 100's of people that view my designs...then I am happy.

              I have always wanted to be a Cop, special forces, or a ER doctor.....maybe some day I will do one of those things (considering we change careers 5 times in a lifetime) but for right now, I just did 10+ years of sales, and this is the best thing I could ever ask for. I refuse to go back to the daily grind of sales, I like using my creative talent in life, even if it isnt monatary.



              censored by the all mighty gods of reality.

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              • #8
                I want my MTV!

                'I will become the most powerful Jedi ever!'

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                • #9
                  No offense, but money isnt everything. I would much rather do something that I love and have a middle class life. My fiances brother thinks about money and is a misserable person inside and he wont even get married until he has $100,000 in the bank, kind of unrealistic and unfair for his girlfreind of 5 years. I went into GD knowing that I would not get rich off of it but I was willing to go for it. I to be quite frank I would much rather make a ok income and spend more time with the people that are improtant to me, some of those bigshots in corporate work 24/7 and never see their familys. So there is my two cents.

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                  • #10
                    D-Frag said...
                    Great explanation....I dont understand (ok i kinda do with mad, the state drove her to it) how some of you people want to leave the industry though....I mean common whats better then sitting down all day on a computer? .
                    Shopping... going to the beach... traveling... petting my rabbits... almost anything LOL! I think once you have been in the industry awhile, you will understand why people burn out and leave but I dont want to convince you that its terrible. Compared to your last career, maybe its much better for you, and I am glad. [img]/emoticons/smile.gif[/img]

                    I am not going into therapy (I will be a private practitioner in a practice of psychologists) to just make money. I want to do something meaningful and something that matters. In fifty years (or even fifty minutes) nobody will care about my design but if I can help a kid with problems to lead a productive life, to know that other people care and encourage him to live to his potential, then I have done much much more for the world than I ever did as a designer. I got a taste of this in my internship this year and it was just great! I know there is at least one young teenager out there who is happier because we worked on things together. [img]/emoticons/smile.gif[/img]

                    Amnibo makes a good point though, about financial security. We are paid less than other people who have similar experience in their fields--a LOT less. I am at the top of my career as an Art Director, but I am not making a pile o dough. I probably would make more at a hot shot agency but I dont want the insanity, so I have chosen my path. But despite my experience and degree and even bosses who like me, its impossible to convince anyone in the corporate world that a designer should be paid as much as say... an insurance broker who may have NO degree. :-\ We are unfortunately often seen as 'admin' staff and paid like them. Or like low-level tech workers.

                    I would like to own a house--and in Los Angeles, its not possible to buy one on a designer's salary (median home price is over $500,000). I have to make my own security and the way to do that was to change fields. I've been laid off three times in this field--its extremely unstable. As a therapist, I will be my own boss. Whoo hoo!

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                    • #11
                      I can understand where you guys are coming from. I've only just started my career by 'getting my foot in the door' as an intern for a publishing house. I do mainly design work for our customers, who, for the most part are truck drivers, machinery operators, or owners of deisel truck dealerships or construction equipment dealerships/renters. So, most of my work over the past year and a half consists of red and black or yellow and black websites containing grainy, poorly shot photos and starbursts with stupid tag lines like 'View Our Inventory Hot Sheet!' *puts face through monitor*

                      I hope to get into a design position that wil allow for more creativity, but I know that will come with the 'people telling me how I can do my job better' aspect of our career path. I've been extremely lucky in the fact that my Art Director has a place with the upper management in my company (although I don't think she's got the official title, so the probably doesn't have the paycheck of upper management either; it's somewhat of an unspoken position). She protects us (her designers) very well from the sales reps and editors that get crazy ideas. There have been a few instances where I've recieved task orders and wanted to throttle the sales reps/customers, but at least I have a clear cut target viewer that really doesn't fluctuate.

                      I'm thinking about leaving after I graduate in December though. I'd like more creative control in my design, and a broader spectrum of subject matter aside from the typical 'We sell CAT bulldozers and excavators' sites I see now. I'd like to get into more print as well...

                      I think what's really kept my spirits higher is my work I've been doing in painting and gallery installation. The fine art community here in Phoenix is really starting to grow. So lately, I've really been trying to detach myself from my designs at work (while still turning out quality sites and ads), and focus more of my creative juices toward painting. I find it's much more fullfilling. Still doesn't pay the bills, but it makes me feel much better, and I have yet to hear somebody tell me how I could paint it better.

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                      • #12
                        honestly i dont care if my designs are ugly....I WANT SOME MONEY......they can pick whatever they want.....as long as they are happy...

                        JUST LAUNCHED - www.hirethisdesigner.com - check it out

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                        • #13
                          Amen to that my friend.

                          'I will become the most powerful Jedi ever!'

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                          • #14
                            I started out as a linguist, worked in the civil service for 5 years, retrained in computer science, did a masters in computers and in speech technology and language processing, started a PhD in this branch of computing, got really fed up with it, and decided to quit and start out on my own doing web design / graphic design instead. Had no training other than I used to like to draw and my mother is an artist. So I'm having to teach myself everything now as I go. Obviously the programming from computer science helps with the web development/coding side. I guess IDEALLY I'd do music instead but that just seems SOOO hard to make any money at and you need so much talent. At least quite a few people want a website.

                            http://www.jackfruitdesign.com/
                            Om Namah Shivaya

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                            • #15
                              I don't mean you don't need talent for graphic design, but have you ever thought what it takes to make a career as a singer/songwriter .... Argh.

                              http://www.jackfruitdesign.com/
                              Om Namah Shivaya

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