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  • #16
    Originally posted by rhi23 View Post
    As a graphic designer or artist of any kind do you have a duty (as everyone does) to spread good? many people (not all) live by the premise that people should do good by each other, however i constantly see it abandoned by graphic design and other forms of ''entertainment''. please give me your views especially contrasting ones as i would like to hear a counter argument.

    thank you.

    Ha. Yes, forget attorneys, politicians, stock brokers, bankers... it's us designers that are the evil ones. Good grief.


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    • #17
      ...huh?!

      I design stuff that my clients want and pay me for. Sure I guess I would turn down work that was not so tasteful such as ones mentioned already (smokes and porn) but that's a very small portion of advertisers out there... and I don't exactly target or attract that kind of work.
      Sigs. Made by the internet, for the internet.

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      • #18
        I'd feel guilty if I designed, or communicated a message that I am not comfortable with, via my designs. I think this is a situation that happens to all professions. It's up to the individual where he wants to draw that line. There is no right or wrong. Our world is so layered and complex, nothing that we do or own, can be traced to a pure and wholesome source all the time. The food we eat and how they came about, the clothes we wear and the conditions they were made in, the waste from our electronics and their disposable methods, the list goes on.

        Bottom line is no one's innocent. But if you want to sleep better at night, don't do stuff you don't agree or feel comfortable with.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by PrintDriver View Post
          If it is against a designer's inner morals to do ads for cigarette companies then he should just refuse the work. Same for porn.

          Or on the other side, the same goes for Churches or other 'good' causes they may have no interest in..
          They should refuse the work, or they can?

          I do design for products and companies I have no interest in all the time. Just because I'm not a target customer for them, doesn't mean that I can't do a good job. I have also done work for several religious groups that I have no interest in.

          Working on something with a message you are not comfortable with is a tricky one. I don't like people selling anything to me. Does it mean that I'm going to say "no" to all advertising work and just do corporate identity?
          It is more fun to talk with someone who doesn't use long, difficult words but rather short, easy words like "What about lunch?" – Winnie the Pooh

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          • #20
            Too literal Buda.

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            • #21
              If you really wanted to push this idea of doing good you could think of yourself not only as a creator of artifacts, but someone with a creative mind. Instead focusing on generating things you could use your creative mind to think about solutions to common world problems that others may not. For example, on that everyone knows about is global warming. Instead of thinking scientifically designers have the capacity to think outside of science. Perhaps thinking outside of science and more in a creative way will lead to the solutions to solve these types of issues and design mind would fit the bill for task. Instead of looking at the end solution as a artifact it would be actual solution to a problem which isn't far from what designers do every day. A good designer will research and learn everything about something before they attempt to think of solutions for it. So in this case it would be the same process, but the end solution wouldn't be disposable.
              Last edited by tZ; 01-18-2009, 11:24 PM.

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              • #22
                wasnt there a WWYD on this?

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                • #23
                  Graphic Designers have a duty to sell people crap they don't need. The only things in life you need are shelter, food and companionship, and none of those need to be purchased - one can make their own shelter, grow/hunt their own food, make their own friends.

                  Through graphic design, good can be achieved by providing entertainment to others - thus providing an alternative to a life of boredom spent pursuing mundane needs related to food, shelter and companionship. In short, we help make life worth living. Paycheck please!
                  . . . in bed

                  (.)(.)™

                  You can fry an egg on the devil's hiney, but it ain't never gonna come out sunny-side up, A-men!

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                  • #24
                    With great design power comes great responsibility, but not necessarily a greater paycheque.

                    No, seriously-- design as a higher moral calling? I guess for some that's an option. Most of us are just looking for a way to create the most interesting solutions in things we are most interested in. And get paid. Design is just one approach to problem-solving. It can be real fun one, mind you. But it doesn't mean it's always the best way.

                    If the morality of what you're potentially tinkering with is too upsetting for you, find something else to tinker with. Reanimate the dead comes to mind. But zombificiation pays even less than graphic design, believe it or not.

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                    • #25
                      Money talks...

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                      • #26
                        I use my Jedi powers for good.

                        As for graphic design, as far as i can tell it's just moving crap around a page until it looks perty.

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                        • #27
                          Money is a legitimate and honest source of motivation. In my experience, it's often the people who claim otherwise you have to be wary of.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Kool View Post
                            Even if this is a homework question so what? The OP asked for opinions of which there are plenty of here in the forum. They didn't ask for anybody to do research or work.
                            Personally the leetle hairs on the back of my neck stand up when I read or hear the words "spreading the good" I'm finding a lot of evangelistic dogma hidden behind those words.
                            So I'll take a stab.

                            Originally posted by rhi23 View Post
                            As a graphic designer or artist of any kind do you have a duty (as everyone does) to spread good? many people (not all) live by the premise that people should do good by each other, however i constantly see it abandoned by graphic design and other forms of ''entertainment''. please give me your views especially contrasting ones as i would like to hear a counter argument.

                            thank you.
                            What is you're definition of "good"? Mine would be movable type. And cartography. The printed page and maps. Visual communication. Without which we'd pretty much be toast.

                            BUT! of course...
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                            Last edited by Pointyhat; 01-20-2009, 01:47 AM.

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                            • #29
                              I believe we all have a "duty to spread good", as human beings.

                              I think I understand what OP might be getting at... we could have been firefighters or police officers, right? But instead we chose to draw pictures?

                              After studying art and before design, I earned a degree in psychology. I wanted to help people. But after graduating and working in the field, I slowly realized that my job was simply to make money and ego-fodder for research leads who had no ethics or regard for others. The people I actually wanted to help were just means to an end, and it was all paid for by our health care system. It was depressing.

                              As a designer, I feel I'm helping people more than I ever did as a research drone. Not in a fuzzy "feed the world" sort of way, but by way of providing a valuable service directly to the people who would benefit from it.

                              As designers, we help entrepreneurs get their ideas off the ground, which helps the economy and furthers our way of life. We solve problems, and what we do enables others to succeed.

                              It also helps that as designers, we have a lot of choice. I've turned down boatloads of contracts on moral grounds. It's up to you to decide which projects should benefit from your efforts.

                              I also give to charity, fund loans to entrepreneurs in developing countries, offer help to people who need it, pet the dog when I've had a bad day and generally live my life as well as I can.

                              Ethics are important in life, which of course includes business. I've never felt guilty about working in design, because I feel what I do is worthwhile, and I do it ethically.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Pointyhat View Post
                                Personally the leetle hairs on the back of my neck stand up when I read or hear the words "spreading the good"
                                That's the devil in ya, ticklin' yer backside! AMEN!!!

                                Ya'll can plainly see this woman is caught firmly in the grasp of Lucifer's fiery grip! That lurid green pallor and trappings of the occult say it all! Why, I'll have to dance with at least a dozen rattlesnakes tonight to stay in God's good graces after posting in the same thread as that abomination to the Lord. GLORY TO GOD!!!

                                Pointyhat? I do believe a more nefarious cause lurks within that name!

                                Persistent
                                Ol' Scratch
                                Is
                                Now
                                Training
                                Young
                                Harlots
                                And
                                Tramps

                                Stay away from me, concubine of Satan! STAY AWAY, I COMMAND THEE!

                                PRAISE FATHER SON AND HOLY GHOST!!!

                                Back to topic - the only thing graphic designers should be designing is Bibles, Bible Study Lesson Plans, Hobo Dinner flyers, or anything else approved by the church. GLORY TO GOD! Designing anything else is a slippery slope to supping on Satan's Seed - and aaahm not talkin' 'bout sunflowers! PRAISE JESUS!

                                AMEN!!!
                                HALLELUJA!!
                                GIMMEE SUMADAT JESUS JUICE!!!!!!!
                                . . . in bed

                                (.)(.)™

                                You can fry an egg on the devil's hiney, but it ain't never gonna come out sunny-side up, A-men!

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