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  • #31
    Originally posted by flipster View Post
    Interesting responses and opinions, very valuable feedback. We actually do something similar, except with a twist; we would be very glad to hear your feedback.

    We are a startup that essentially sells crowd-sourced artist designed flipflops that give back both to the artist and those in need. It's quite simple, the artists submit their designs on our website, our community votes on the designs and the winning design is then used to manufacture a run of flipflops. The artist then gets a profit share for each pair sold and we donate a pair to those in need for each pair sold as well.

    I have left out our company name, because I actually would like real feedback and don't intend to advertise here.

    Thank you
    Feedback: You're no different from the others. You're crowdsourcing, and as a professional designer I won't participate.

    If you're thinking you'll get extra consideration because you have a charitable component, you're wrong. You're still asking people to work for nothing more than a chance.

    If this comes off as harsh, it's because I'm tired of being asked to work for little to no pay.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by flipster View Post
      Interesting responses and opinions, very valuable feedback. We actually do something similar, except with a twist; we would be very glad to hear your feedback.

      We are a startup that essentially sells crowd-sourced artist designed flipflops that give back both to the artist and those in need. It's quite simple, the artists submit their designs on our website, our community votes on the designs and the winning design is then used to manufacture a run of flipflops. The artist then gets a profit share for each pair sold and we donate a pair to those in need for each pair sold as well.

      I have left out our company name, because I actually would like real feedback and don't intend to advertise here.

      Thank you
      No. If you want custom designed flipflops, you hire a designer that you think would be a good fit, and pay him/her. Like others have said, you wouldn't ask 10 chefs to each cook you a meal, then only offer to pay the one you liked best. Crowdsourcing only attracts amateur designers who probably aren't even giving you the proper file formats.
      "Design is not just what it looks like and feels like. Design is how it works."
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      • #33
        People who do quality work know they're worth being paid for their skill. I'm not going to waste my talents for the mere possibility for a few bucks. For a mega-huge proposal that I feel I have a real chance at winning, that's different. As such, crowdsourcing will attract the lesser graphic designers. You're mostly going to get stolen artwork and low-resolution crap.
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        • #34
          Try asking the manufacturing plant to run 100 different flip flop samples and that you will get back to them once your community wears them for a while to see which is the most comfortable.

          The problem with design services is it's not perceived as a 'consumable' item, but in fact it is -- it's consuming the designer's life. And there should be fair compensation for that.

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          • #35
            And as far as the 'winner' being voted on by the community... What that really translates to is a popularity contest. Every entrant will be spamming their Facebook friends with "PLEASE VOTE FOR ME!" status updates. The best design doesn't win. The teenager who 'messes around' with images they found on Google using a hacked version of Photoshop will end up with the most votes. Is this age of the Internet and social media, the truly best original design will always lose.
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            • #36
              That's an interesting point. Graphic design tends to be a bit of a refuge camp for skilled introverts. Skillful, powerful solutions created by shy introverts don't stand a chance online against mediocrity wielded by well-connected charismatics.

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              • #37
                I wouldn't even consider this as a design "opportunity."

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                • #38
                  Sure it is. It's an opportunity to use unfair business practices on a largely clueless bunch of skilled (and unskilled) artists.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Bob View Post
                    That's an interesting point. Graphic design tends to be a bit of a refuge camp for skilled introverts. Skillful, powerful solutions created by shy introverts don't stand a chance online against mediocrity wielded by well-connected charismatics.
                    I wasn't really thinking skilled+introverted designer vs. non-skilled+social. More that the people who know/believe they are skilled and deserve to win are probably thinking that their entry will win on merit as opposed to personal popularity. I might be wrong on that.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by flipster View Post
                      We are a startup that essentially sells crowd-sourced artist designed flipflops that give back both to the artist and those in need. It's quite simple, the artists submit their designs on our website, our community votes on the designs and the winning design is then used to manufacture a run of flipflops. The artist then gets a profit share for each pair sold and we donate a pair to those in need for each pair sold as well.

                      I have left out our company name, because I actually would like real feedback and don't intend to advertise here.

                      Thank you
                      you can put a hat, shirt, shoes, and pants on a dog, it's still a dog. pay the artists a fair share and call it a day. how does know they are getting the proper profit share? do they get to look at your books? i'd rather do work for a legit charity or cause in my area then do work with the slight chance of getting paid a percentage

                      didn't Toms do the sell a pair, give a pair away thing?

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                      • #41
                        So a crowdsourced flipflop sales operation, eh? Interesting.

                        So start with the designers that's a given. It must be weird to have hundreds of management staff show up each day and only a couple get paid. An army of accountants coming in and crunching numbers each day and only a couple get paid you'd think they of all people would catch on. A whole gaggle of lawyers just lawyering their asses off to be one of the lucky few. Then you've got the manufacturers pumping out thousands, maybe millions of flipflops on the slim chance of getting any compensation. Warehouse and distribution people galore, furiously scrambling for those elusive pennies. Then of course there will be the webhosting companies and merchant accounts to think of...

                        You know come to think of it, that's starting to sound kind of unfair. How about you just screw the designers instead? It's for a good cause.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by flipster View Post
                          We are a startup that essentially sells crowd-sourced artist designed flipflops that give back both to the artist and those in need. It's quite simple, the artists submit their designs on our website, our community votes on the designs and the winning design is then used to manufacture a run of flipflops. The artist then gets a profit share for each pair sold and we donate a pair to those in need for each pair sold as well.
                          What's even more awesome, they are crowd-funding their 'start-up' too.
                          Last edited by PanToshi; 05-10-2012, 08:30 PM.
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Typically View Post
                            you can put a hat, shirt, shoes, and pants on a dog, it's still a dog.
                            Yeah, but you put lipstick on it and it becomes the former governor of Alaska!
                            Heresy is a victimless crime.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by flipster View Post
                              Interesting responses and opinions, very valuable feedback. We actually do something similar, except with a twist; we would be very glad to hear your feedback.

                              We are a startup that essentially sells crowd-sourced artist designed flipflops that give back both to the artist and those in need. It's quite simple, the artists submit their designs on our website, our community votes on the designs and the winning design is then used to manufacture a run of flipflops. The artist then gets a profit share for each pair sold and we donate a pair to those in need for each pair sold as well.

                              I have left out our company name, because I actually would like real feedback and don't intend to advertise here.

                              Thank you
                              So you make low quality sandals that are bad for your feet and need to make them prettier to try to sell them. You can buy flip flops for a couple bucks, so I see why you are trying to get by with as little art cost as possible, there's barely room for profit already. I've never understood why people like flip-flops or bother buying more expensive ones because of a print they end up covering/wearing off with their feet.

                              Originally posted by garricks View Post
                              LOL maynard, whether 100 chefs make a meal or one chef makes three, somebody's still losing money.
                              The one chef making three meals, would probably charge you three and a half the cost of making just one meal.
                              Design is not decoration.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by seamas View Post
                                Yeah, but you put lipstick on it and it becomes the former governor of Alaska!
                                I just spit water on my keyboard....
                                "I want to make beautiful things, even if nobody cares."--Saul Bass

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