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  • #31
    I was talking not too long ago with my brother's father-in-law, a graphic designer who did a lot of work for the L.L. Bean catalog, and who went to art school in the 60s. He said at that time, it was almost like there were two schools, one that taught traditional skills and a new, emerging claque that was more theory-based and conceptual. "It used to be that all designers could draw," he said, "now I work with Art Directors, they can't draw, they're 'idea men.'" I guess the type slips into various strata of the organization, depending on where you are.
    People will believe anything, which means I will believe anythingI want to start believing in things that have shapeliness and harmony.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by kemingMatters View Post
      Funny, I find that more with Client Services.
      Keming, this might make your head explode then, but I am a Client Services Assistant, in the Client Services department, but I have a Graphic Design degree so they throw me projects that they want on the cheap, and I happen to work next to a person with Marketing degree.

      How's that for a mix? (alas, small businesses...)

      Luckily, the Client Services Director is most excellent! No hubris at all.

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      • #33
        At least he works with Art Diretors. I wouldn't care if they could draw or not, really. Just as long as they understand basic design theory.

        Most of the people (clients) I deal with are 'visionairies' or representatives of 'visionairies'. These are the people who are paid lots of money to gather in large herds, for hours on end, in expensive meeting rooms to discuss strategies and return to design/production with vision-filled briefs like: "We need new brochures and an ad campaign for our new program. Now we really haven't named or defined the program yet. Or written any copy. Or appraoch. But we all agree it's going to be great. So it should be easy for you guys to write/design something really good! Right?"

        As to your father-in-law's lost world of design...

        Imagine a world where designers mostly... designed. That's it. Design. Where they didn't also have to write the copy; set the type; take the picture; correct, tweak and tune the picture; design/update/degug/maintain the web version; and cram in a new web coding language while eating lunch at their desk....

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        • #34
          The 'marketing/sales' person we have here isn't an idiot. She's a complete MORON.
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          • #35
            But does she have a nice smile?

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            • #36
              I dislike her so much, I can't even stand her smile. I cringe every time she walks in the room.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by Virgo Nightingale View Post
                I dislike her so much, I can't even stand her smile. I cringe every time she walks in the room.
                That is how I feel about ours, only when I hear his voice I want to punch him. He knows EVERYTHING.
                "I want to make beautiful things, even if nobody cares."--Saul Bass

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by dragondreamer View Post
                  Keming, this might make your head explode then, but I am a Client Services Assistant, in the Client Services department, but I have a Graphic Design degree so they throw me projects that they want on the cheap, and I happen to work next to a person with Marketing degree.

                  How's that for a mix? (alas, small businesses...)

                  Luckily, the Client Services Director is most excellent! No hubris at all.
                  Client Services Reps have assistants? The ones I've dealt with were the muddy pool you had to talk to a client through.

                  At my first job, I had Client Services ask me to redesign an ad that I had just finished to fit "their vision" before the client even saw it. So I recreated "their vision" and the client discarded it immediately, they then showed them my original ad and that's what the client went with... Maybe Client Services is different in El Paso, but here they are a cross between a sales rep and an administrative assistant (with fewer responsibilities) and tend to try and act like they are ADs or CDs.
                  Design is not decoration.

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                  • #39
                    We have a "yes, mm-hmm, gotcha, yeah right right right" woman in marketing.
                    totally clueless.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by kemingMatters View Post
                      Maybe Client Services is different in El Paso, but here they are a cross between a sales rep and an administrative assistant (with fewer responsibilities) and tend to try and act like they are ADs or CDs.
                      No, you hit the nail on the head about the sales rep/admin assistant. That is what we do, and we are also responsible for ensuring the right server/desktop/whatcha'ma'call it thing gets quoted to the client, and then we translate "Technical Speak" into English. However, it just so happens that the pair of Assistants they hired have a Marketing and a Graphic Design degree.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Bob View Post
                        Imagine a world where designers mostly... designed. That's it. Design. Where they didn't also have to write the copy; set the type; take the picture; correct, tweak and tune the picture; design/update/degug/maintain the web version; and cram in a new web coding language while eating lunch at their desk....
                        So I'm NOT crazy? There is supposed to be a Copy Editor who is in charge of the written word, to ensure it communicates the details clearly, and it's up the Designer to ensure it is arranged in a thoughful manner that provokes attention, and then directs it to a call for action? That's what's supposed to happen?

                        So I guess in the current era, a Graphic Designer is expected to be some wizard who is at once a poet/photographers/programmer/artists/illustrator/software nerd?

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by dragondreamer View Post
                          So I'm NOT crazy? There is supposed to be a Copy Editor who is in charge of the written word, to ensure it communicates the details clearly, and it's up the Designer to ensure it is arranged in a thoughful manner that provokes attention, and then directs it to a call for action? That's what's supposed to happen?

                          So I guess in the current era, a Graphic Designer is expected to be some wizard who is at once a poet/photographers/programmer/artists/illustrator/software nerd?
                          You forgot IT guy, psychic and wielder of time

                          Originally posted by dragondreamer View Post
                          No, you hit the nail on the head about the sales rep/admin assistant. That is what we do, and we are also responsible for ensuring the right server/desktop/whatcha'ma'call it thing gets quoted to the client, and then we translate "Technical Speak" into English. However, it just so happens that the pair of Assistants they hired have a Marketing and a Graphic Design degree.
                          You must have a fortunate art department, almost every CS I've dealt with didn't have a clue what they were selling (product OR process). For example, I require a vector version of a clients logo, so I ask CS for a vector version of their logo in .ai or .eps format. CS does one of two things: 1) they ask for the client for a copy of their logo - failing to mention the need for vector art or the format OR 2) they go to the client's website and send me the low res .gif from its header...
                          Design is not decoration.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by kemingMatters View Post
                            You forgot IT guy, psychic and wielder of time

                            You must have a fortunate art department, almost every CS I've dealt with didn't have a clue what they were selling (product OR process).

                            More stuff to make your head explode. We are the IT guys It's an IT Firm, there is no art department. I don't get to do Graphics for a living, only for the company's convenience So you can imagine what it's like being a creative cat in the aisles of function-only IT personnel.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by kemingMatters View Post
                              You must have a fortunate art department, almost every CS I've dealt with didn't have a clue what they were selling (product OR process). For example, I require a vector version of a clients logo, so I ask CS for a vector version of their logo in .ai or .eps format. CS does one of two things: 1) they ask for the client for a copy of their logo - failing to mention the need for vector art or the format OR 2) they go to the client's website and send me the low res .gif from its header...
                              Or embed the .jpg into an .ai file. It's in Illustrator, so it must be vector, right?
                              "Design is not just what it looks like and feels like. Design is how it works."
                              -Steve Jobs

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Sketcher View Post
                                Or embed the .jpg into an .ai file. It's in Illustrator, so it must be vector, right?
                                or they just change the extension... logo.gif > right click > rename > logo.ai TADA!
                                Design is not decoration.

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