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    Okay, my first real question. I do prepress for a lil' sign and digital print house. We had a client bring us in a 4 page quark layout. (Why use Quark for a four page layout, I don't know.) However we exported the file out as a pdf. When we openned it in Onyx and ripped the thing, everything seemed fine. Until we printed on our Mutoh Falcon Outdoor II. The colors were quite a bit off. On a whim, I openned the pdf in Photoshop and saved it as a Tiff (I did embed a 1998Adobe RGB profile). Now the colors look fine. Anyone know why this is? Is it just a profile issue? how come this has never happened before? And it's been a while since I've used Quark, but how does Quark handle color profiles?

    On a final note, anyone know of Excellent resources on colors and profiling?

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    If not quark, what layout software would you use for a 4 page layout? When you say the colors were off, do you mean they didn't look like they do on your screen? If that's the case, that's because your screen is RGB, when printing to a 4 color press, you would use CMYK mode. Embedding an RGB mode would make the colors print as you see them on your screen. I have used tifs with embedded profiles to get a richer black and never had any trouble.
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    • #3
      No, the colors didn't match the sample. however, when I utilized the photoshop tiff work around, the colors came out okay.

      For a client who only needs four different things printed up, I would go with photoshop or illustrator (pdf, tiff, eps, etc...). Quark is really no good, however when dealing with large mutiple page layouts (i.e. magazine, or catalogues) it has great purposes. I just think it's not a great program for layouts especially on a small scale. Plus it does create too many problems with large format printing. It's probably great for other types of print, I have no experience in that however.
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        btw, I do understand the difference between RGB and CMYK... that wasn't the problem.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by carter the artist
          btw, I do understand the difference between RGB and CMYK... that wasn't the problem.
          Sorry,
          I totally did not mean to insult your intelligence. I just wasn't sure where you were coming from when you said the colors were off. Do you use a color match proof printer? I'm not an expert on profiles, but I have used quark every day for years to lay out multi paged brochures, ads, and direct mail and only had problems with colors when images weren't formatted in the correct mode.
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          • #6
            Quark is a page builder wether it be one page or a thousand. Build your pages in Quark or InDesign, create your art in Photoshop and Illustrator.
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            • #7
              It's just that, in my experience, Quark isn't a great program for going to print. It adds too much hassle and problems for prepress. For one, RIPS don't utilize Quark files. Which means I have to spend time exporting as a PDF. That's my time. Then we have color issues, as this project did. Clients get all pissed when their projects come out wrong, but we can only work with what comes in. The more that the project is perfected BEFORE it comes to print, the less problems we have going to print.

              That's why Quark is not a great program for projects. However, Quark IS a good program with multi page projects due to it's abilities for Style sheets and such. This is why I'm doing pre press work, before I get myself into where I want to be...Designing Ads.

              BTW, I didn't so much take offense, I understand. I have to explain why the printer came out with different colors than the clients saw on their screens. It's why I laugh when clients ask us to email a color proof. Now how am I gonna send you a color proof via email?
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              • #8
                Originally posted by carter the artist
                That's why Quark is not a great program for projects. However, Quark IS a good program with multi page projects due to it's abilities for Style sheets and such. This is why I'm doing pre press work, before I get myself into where I want to be...Designing Ads.

                Quark has never been great, well for a good few years anyway. But Quark or ID will be your workhorses on a large percentage of projects, no stoping that I am afraid.

                As mentioned Illy & PS for artwork, ID or Quark for laying em up. So get ready to be a whore to em!
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                • #9
                  If your client is doing 4 different signs at 4 different sizes then Quark is bad. In fact, Quark is bad in any sign shop.

                  As for printing, large format or otherwise, up until the last 3 years Quark has been the top dog for layout. Printers and prepress guys have been dealing with its nastiness since version 5 (version 4.11 was/is a sweetie-pie, no web stuff to muck up the works and very stable on output). Depending on where you end up in design-world you will probably be using Quark or InDesign for anything over duplex fliers, and even for those. Welcome to prepress. Maybe when you move on you'll remember us little guys.

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                  • #10
                    Just wait until you get one of those sweet Pagemaker files. Quark in contrast is heaven sent!
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                    • #11
                      Oh, trust me PD, That's why I looked for a role, such as prepress before hitting up Y&R. But truthfully, we rarely recieve Quark files. Truthfully we get more messe up Illy files (ex. Pdfs saved in illy with clipping masks or transparencies that Onyx ignores and screws up in the print.) Great fun. But at least I'm learning how not to set my files up for a printer, so they can just print our projects and we can keep going and going and going.
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