nice to see, illegal maybe, but how many of us have had to recreate other logos before, such as for school, or for portfolio projects, good resourse



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Regardless of legality, I know for a fact that many companies actually send designers here for their own logos. It's easier for them. LOL



If you get that big job with a company and need to run ads for them, this is the place to get the logo in vector.



In M&#111;ntreal, &#111;ne of our local papers ran regular ads for AT&T and as usual the company didn't provide the designer with the logo or art and all ads appeared really bitty. Can you imagine seeing the AT&T logo pixelated. Looked cheap.



Anyway, this kind of scenario, the designer could have used this site.



Thanks for sharing the link!

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hehe yes that is site is a great resource, the logos are a little old but they work!!


glad i could help out!

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actually the IBM logos are new, and yes, it would be illegal for you to take them from here...as a partner with IBM, knowing how strict they are about logo usage, you could see yourself in big doo-doo using these.

sb

Well if anything they are good to use for comping and reference, im sure if a company like IBM couldn't get me an .eps logo then THEY would be the &#111;nes in big doo doo, hehe, but yes like I said earlier....its illegal, so d&#111;n't hold me resp&#111;nsible! <img border="0" src= "smileys/smiley15.gif">

Man's mind, &#111;nce stretched by a new idea, never regains its original dimensi&#111;ns.

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actually, if they didn't provide you with a comp then it's not your problem, it's theirs...however, logo is theirs, they have rules &#111;n usage...I'm sure it being posted to that site hasn't been approved by IBM either...anyway typically it's always smart to go through the proper channels to get work d&#111;ne, maintains credibility..h&#111;nesty etc.

sb

Yeah I see where your coming from, and im not arguing the fact that they own there logo anyways......but if you really REALLY wanted it, and couldn't find it &#111;n the web, then you could always just make it yourself....im just stating that there is always going to be workarounds when doing stuff, if I had access to that site when I was in college it would have saved me ooodles of time &#111;n re-designing logos for student comps (such as a mock up ad I did for Hienekin) but then again I probably wouldnt have learned so much. And I do understand the whole h&#111;nesty, credibility too, I didnt say every&#111;ne should go there and use it, but I am saying it makes for a good resource, if anything its good for designers to download a "corporate" logo, then hit ctrl+y &#111;n it in illustrator and check out how it was made....I know that IBM &#111;ne is extremely detailed, so if anything it is here to help us learn. IF the m&#111;nitors wanna remove this topic then they can, I didnt think it was to big of a deal. sorry to offend you if i did shirbit

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Oliver Wendell Holmes

D-Frag: sorry to change the subject but what's the ctrl+y thing? when is it that i can use it and &#111;n what kind of files? jpeg, png, etc included??

thanks



oh and i also think that it's a cool site because seeing what already exists you can get some ispirati&#111;n for a new logo....you d&#111;n't necessarily have to abuse the rights of the company.

Sister, the ctrl+y &#111;nly works in illustrator, and you use it when you want to see all the Hidden stuff or if you wanna see all of your outlines in Illustrator, &#111;nly works in that program and &#111;nly for vector created graphics.


You end up using it alot when exporting files out of Quark into .eps files, quark fills the text with these little hidden X's everywhere and you have to take those out for print....thats the &#111;nly way to find them.

Man's mind, &#111;nce stretched by a new idea, never regains its original dimensi&#111;ns.

Oliver Wendell Holmes

oh it's basically the preview view (like in Freehand),

thanks <img border="0" src= "smileys/smiley1.gif">

yup same thing <img border="0" src= "smileys/smiley2.gif"> your welcome!

Man's mind, &#111;nce stretched by a new idea, never regains its original dimensi&#111;ns.

Oliver Wendell Holmes

I've had to re-draw logos of large companies countless times. And no, having the &#111;nus &#111;n them to provide me with artwork is shaky at best. IF they have an IT dept. or an art dept half the time, then the other half of the time they've c&#111;ntracted their design stuff out. Either way, if you get a useable logo the first, sec&#111;nd or third time around you're luckier than me. If IBM or any other company was that worried about people stealing their logo, they'd take the proper steps to safeguard it. I seriously doubt that any&#111;ne is going to take the logo and use it commercially.

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I was thinking about doing some mock logos, you know like those &#111;nes that you see that say derogatory comments but look like the actual logo! Those could be fun to do some ir&#111;n &#111;n t-shirt prints, they have the Hooters logo, and the harley &#111;ne....thinking about doing something like "Barfly (instead of harley) "its not just there beards that smell bad" or something al&#111;ng those lines, could be fun

Man's mind, &#111;nce stretched by a new idea, never regains its original dimensi&#111;ns.

Oliver Wendell Holmes

Legal or illegal, I think the issue was that it has its usefulness. If a designer is going to go there to rip off a logo and do something illegal then I think I can assume that we aren't c&#111;nd&#111;ning anything of the sort.



&#079;n the other hand, if a designer is c&#111;ntracted to run an ad for a large corporati&#111;n and the those in charge can't get their hands &#111;n a clean versi&#111;n of their own logo by press time, wouldn't you think that they might give a green light to using a copy of their brand, regardless of where it came from? I mean seriously, a logo from the afore menti&#111;ned website vs. a pixelated low-grade copy direct from the company is a no-brainer.



I’m always surprised by how many companies d&#111;n’t have a clean versi&#111;n of their logo. I’ve had to recreate a few company logos because they lost their own copy or couldn’t find a vector versi&#111;n suitable for print. It would have been nice to go to a website and get a vector copy.

Design it up and then strip it down. Whatever survives is solid.