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  • #46
    Where did you get that huge spirograph, did you make it?

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    • #47
      Odd, I'm getting a 403 error.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by RickMacMerc View Post
        I hope you don't mind me posting a like here, but I did a video object lesson on this very subject a while back that I'm very proud of. I really hope you like itI made it for those who understand to use to help those who don't.

        http://macmerc.com/macmerc-tv-pixels-vs-vectors/
        Excellent..... and yes, where did you get that huge Spirograph?!?!?!
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        • #49
          It might be excellent for designers, as he is speaking designer to designer, but the condescending comments aimed towards clients is not gonna fly if you're thinking of showing it to an ornery client. Very poorly written for that purpose.
          But that is a cool big spirograph.
          Last edited by PrintDriver; 08-25-2010, 08:30 PM.

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          • #50
            It is best to use Illustrator because then if you have to enlarge your logo to a size of a building then it will not lose any quality...

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            • #51
              There are many things you can do in Illustrator that can make it very difficult indeed to make a logo the size of a building. Things you can do while not even placing a raster image.
              None of the programs Adobe makes are meant for making overtly large things without a few kicks.

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              • #52
                That is true, but at least you can submit the artwork at scaled down size and the printer can enlarge it to whatever dimension still without losing quality. Of course my hats off to Photoshop for all the effects, but I still prefer Illustrator

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                • #53
                  Have you ever tried to enlarge an Illustrator gradient much over 48"?
                  Or an improperly stepped blend?
                  Or anything in Illy CS3 or earlier that has had Filters applied to it?
                  All of those things can go very very wrong. Especially the filters.

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                  • #54
                    That's right, but I mostly use Illustrator for Logo design and basic layouts. Illustrator doesn't posses too many good effects and filters anyway. Definitely one of the worst is drop shadow, just can never make it work. I say it depends what you are trying to accomplish, that's all. By the way, what would you suggest to use for outdoor banner size or something of that dimension? Thanks

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                    • #55
                      By the way, what would you suggest to use for outdoor banner size or something of that dimension
                      Whatever the printer you are using suggests.
                      Seriously.
                      some prefer InD, some prefer Illy, some want nothing more than a flat tif and you get what you get. Depends on what you're after in terms of color correctness too. If you don't do a lot of large format or are trying a new material or vendor, call them, get their spec sheet BEFORE you start designing.

                      Due to the comparitively low resolution used in printing banners, believe it or not, Photoshop grades (with a few kicks) placed in Illy or InDesign work pretty good without being too hefty. Well, not too hefty for a comp with the balls to be doing large format... but controlling color can get kinda hairy if you don't do it right. But far easier than trying to control color in an Illustrator Mesh.

                      There are just some color combinations that do not work though. Red to black in Illustrator looks like crap. Similar combinations can do the same thing. Watch out for blues that contain magenta. There comes a point where your cyan may fall off in the lower percentage tints and all that's left is the magenta. I've seen that happen with tints too in quite a few different colors.

                      Also, in case it slipped by, you shouldn't be using Filters at all in Illustrator if you plan to scale up (and always check your Raster Effects Setting before starting.) Always always use the Effects menu. That way the printer can control the output resolution of your raster effects. Including the drop shadows. Adobe finally did away with the Filter menu in CS4 and 5. Yay. They broke other things, but now blocky raster effects aren't a tear jerker.
                      Last edited by PrintDriver; 08-31-2010, 08:15 PM.

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                      • #56
                        awesome. thanks for your reply. I sort of knew the basics, just didn't have the experience of printing anything super large, so in case a client asks I wanted to be prepared Can't wait to upgrade to CS5! I know photoshop cs5 does magic... ;P

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                        • #57
                          Photoshop CS5 is no more magical than CS4 or CS3.
                          And one of these days I'm gonna look up how to fix two things, the magnify zoom (I'd like my command-space marque zoom to be default) and the create PDF where you can't just hit returns cuz it goes to a text box. You have to click the save button. Fookin annoying. But I never remember until I have to use it during a busy file session...

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                          • #58
                            I'm sorry to disagree with you PrintDriver, but Photoshop is indeed magical! Look at this tutorial on the Photobomb tool: (NSFW for buttcheeks)

                            http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1940686
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                            • #59
                              I saw that in another thread Garricks. LOL.
                              I get enough varying degrees of creepiness in the files I see without adding any, thanks.

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                              • #60
                                It's frustrating just how many advertising people just don't understand the difference.

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