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    #1
    Hey guys.

    Take a few minutes to check out my newly relaunched site. I run a small creative agency in Toronto

    city + life online

    Thanks in advance for any comments, concerns, and critique. Appreciate it all.

    Eric

  • #2
    did it become trendy to have that many hyphens under your design innovation and strategy headings? (and in general)

    and as someone who rolls with no-script on, are those icons webfont? they show up as ( Q and F for me unless i allow you, and that seemed pointless.

    and why the huge gap between the contact subtitle and the form? (firefox)



    apart from that, i like it a lot.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by troop1 View Post
      did it become trendy to have that many hyphens under your design innovation and strategy headings? (and in general)

      and as someone who rolls with no-script on, are those icons webfont? they show up as ( Q and F for me unless i allow you, and that seemed pointless.

      and why the huge gap between the contact subtitle and the form? (firefox)



      apart from that, i like it a lot.
      I've just discovered Adobe Browserlab and have realized the issues i have with firefox. Everything seems to work much better in the other browsers. F'in firefox.

      Thanks for pointing that out. Try it in Safari or Chrome while i figure the F.F. thing out.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by troop1 View Post

        and why the huge gap between the contact subtitle and the form? (firefox)
        that space has a google map with our office location. to firefox

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        • #5
          Originally posted by eric.city View Post
          that space has a google map with our office location. to firefox
          Might be just FF 17. I'm running 16.0.2 and the google map shows just fine.

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          • #6
            Yep works fine for me in Firefox as well and I am running FF 17

            Originally posted by troop1 View Post
            and as someone who rolls with no-script on, are those icons webfont? they show up as ( Q and F for me unless i allow you, and that seemed pointless.
            If someone buys a bicycle, and then takes one wheel off and tries to ride it around like a unicycle but it cuts into the user experience so he blames the bicycle designer, well he is just a nincompoop.

            I myself have used no-script, but I realize that it cuts into my user experience and that is my choice. I am also a web designer, I quit worrying about designing for people running things like no-script, people using ancient browsers, and the like long ago.
            Last edited by skribe; 11-26-2012, 05:02 AM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by skribe View Post
              I quit worrying about designing for people running things like no-script, people using ancient browsers, and the like long ago.
              Not always an option when your client's customers might need to access the website youre building on a Windows XP machine running IE7.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by skribe View Post
                Yep works fine for me in Firefox as well and I am running FF 17



                If someone buys a bicycle, and then takes one wheel off and tries to ride it around like a unicycle but it cuts into the user experience so he blames the bicycle designer, well he is just a nincompoop.

                I myself have used no-script, but I realize that it cuts into my user experience and that is my choice. I am also a web designer, I quit worrying about designing for people running things like no-script, people using ancient browsers, and the like long ago.
                You're setting yourself up for failure if you think everyone has the latest and greatest browser. There are many, many people who for whatever reason don't use the latest browsers. My wife, for instance, works for a large healthcare company. She uses IE7. It's all her IT department will let people use. There are close to 40,000 computers in her company in this area, all using IE7. I know I wouldn't want to eliminate 40,000 potential customers...

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                • #9
                  I think that first image ruins it. It looks really blurry and not in a good way. When you scroll down it gets much prettier. I like the clean look with less photograph.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Paj View Post
                    Not always an option when your client's customers might need to access the website youre building on a Windows XP machine running IE7.
                    Originally posted by Cosmo View Post
                    You're setting yourself up for failure if you think everyone has the latest and greatest browser. There are many, many people who for whatever reason don't use the latest browsers. My wife, for instance, works for a large healthcare company. She uses IE7. It's all her IT department will let people use. There are close to 40,000 computers in her company in this area, all using IE7. I know I wouldn't want to eliminate 40,000 potential customers...
                    Wow I'm amazed at how some people make assumptions and then starting being so critical without even getting their facts straight. I never said anything about IE7 I never even mentioned IE. I certainly said nothing about the latest and greatest browser.

                    For one I commonly use scripts like ie7.js (actually ie9.js) stan-js, html5.js, Html5shiv, Modernizer and others when designing sites so it takes a lot of pain out of getting all the basic functionality working in the likes of IE7 and IE8. I am also quite aware of how to make things gracefully fall back preventing a site from being unusable to people running XP with IE7. There is however a difference between making stuff look good and making it accessible and usable.

                    Anyway I did say "designing for." I design for the best user experience for the 90-95 percent of people who will use a site. Assuming that that means that those 5% of people using older browsers would be unable to "access" the site or that it will "eliminate" 40,000 potential customers is a gross misunderstanding of how best practice web design works, and the real math behind how many hits are from older browsers and how that affects "bounce," from people using those browserswho often encounter problems while using those browsers and switch to another temporarily (like on their smart phone) if they do.
                    Last edited by skribe; 11-26-2012, 05:50 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by skribe View Post
                      Wow I'm amazed at how some people make assumptions and then starting being so critical without even getting their facts straight. I never said anything about IE7 I never even mentioned IE.
                      You did mention "ancient browsers". What were you referring to? Netscape?

                      Originally posted by skribe View Post
                      For one I commonly use scripts like ie7.js (actually ie9.js) stan-js, html5.js, Html5shiv, Modernizer and others when designing sites so it takes a lot of pain out of getting all the basic functionality working in the likes of IE7 and IE8. I am also quite aware of how to make things gracefully fall back preventing a site from being unusable to people running XP with IE7. There is however a difference between making stuff look good and making it accessible and usable.

                      Anyway I did say "designing for." I design for the best user experience for the 90-95 percent of people who will use a site. Assuming that that means that those 5% of people using older browsers would be able to "access" the site or that it will "eliminate" 40,000 potential customers is a gross misunderstanding of how best practice web design works, and the real math behind how many hits are from older browsers and how that affects "bounce," from people using those browserswho often encounter problems while using those browsers and switch to another temporarily (like on their smart phone) if they do.
                      Last month, we had 2856 people visit our web site from IE8, and 3155 from IE7. We even had a couple hundred from IE6. We also had 1349 with Firefox (version 12 being the most popular) and Chrome 20 being the most popular with 443. That to me tells me that most people don't have the latest browsers. That's a lot more than 5%. That's over 75% of our total viewers for the month.

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                      • #12
                        Well different websites have different demographics. Your website obviously has a lot of traffic from corporations. I work on a website that has 60,000 hits a day and the demographic is very different. Anyway I said nothing aboutdesigning for only "the latest and greatest browsers," you said that in order to make your point appear to be more valid, but it is nothing more that a straw man. My main comment was about someone complaining about a web font being in use. Web fonts wont work in many older browsers as well. But web fonts and web font icons are one the best ways to deal with the upcoming onslaught of HD devices that will be browsing the web, without bogging down everything with higher and higher resolution graphics just to be able to have some decent typography or something.

                        You have no visits at all from iphone ipad, safari, opera, android?

                        Amongst others, I consider IE6 ancient, and IE7 getting that way. If you were referring to brokenspokedesign as the website you pulled your statistics from, it does not appear to work so well on IE 6 itself. Plus web fonts are in use there too. So I don't see why you are making the big deal over what I said?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by skribe View Post
                          Well different websites have different demographics. Your website obviously has a lot of traffic from corporations. I work on a website that has 60,000 hits a day and the demographic is very different. Anyway I said nothing aboutdesigning for only "the latest and greatest browsers," you said that in order to make your point appear to be more valid, but it is nothing more that a straw man. My main comment was about someone complaining about a web font being in use. Web fonts wont work in many older browsers as well. But web fonts and web font icons are one the best ways to deal with the upcoming onslaught of HD devices that will be browsing the web, without bogging down everything with higher and higher resolution graphics just to be able to have some decent typography or something.

                          You have no visits at all from iphone ipad, safari, opera, android?

                          Amongst others, I consider IE6 ancient, and IE7 getting that way. If you were referring to brokenspokedesign as the website you pulled your statistics from, it does not appear to work so well on IE 6 itself. Plus web fonts are in use there too. So I don't see why you are making the big deal over what I said?

                          You yourself said you quit worrying about "ancient browsers". I was just repeating what you said.

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                          • #14
                            Funny I read something different.

                            Anyway back to the original poster. Sorry for running a rabbit trail with your post. I think your site is quite good. However, on some browsers like firefox especially under XP the anti-aliasing of those thin webfonts is going to make them look poorly and even miss part of the letters if you are not careful.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by skribe View Post
                              However, on some browsers like firefox especially under XP the anti-aliasing of those thin webfonts is going to make them look poorly and even miss part of the letters if you are not careful.
                              The F in Film is an upside down L ... and "Innovalion Consullanl" is displayed ... with my Firefox 11.0

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