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    Hi all,

    I have a small problem. I created a file in InDesign, exported it as a PDF, and sent it to a publisher for inclusion in a magazine.

    Unfortunately, when I received a copy of the magazine, my image looked terrible.

    I contacted the publisher, and they claim my file is wrong.

    So I would like to get some other opinions.

    As far as I can tell the file I made is fine, it contains an image (transparent psd file) on a a black backround (Black 100%).

    Could someone let me know if I have created the file properly, or if I messed it up in InDesign or while exporting it?

    Here is my original file (i have cropped some bits off):
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4457768/original.pdf

    Here is a scan of what it looked like in the magazine:
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4457768/endresultat.pdf

    Thank you very much in advance.
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  • #2
    Well first of all tell us how this was created?

    It looks like the Original PDF has rasterised text, which means it's not active text that can be selected, so it's not vector, which would be a lot sharper.


    The original PDF looks to be very lo-resolution, what PDF settings were used to create the PDF?

    The scanned version you show us looks like it was printed a bit poorly - but there's not much that could be done to improve the image in print.


    Did you get a hi-res print from the printers? If so, how did they look?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by eugenetyson View Post
      Well first of all tell us how this was created?

      It looks like the Original PDF has rasterised text, which means it's not active text that can be selected, so it's not vector, which would be a lot sharper.


      The original PDF looks to be very lo-resolution, what PDF settings were used to create the PDF?

      The scanned version you show us looks like it was printed a bit poorly - but there's not much that could be done to improve the image in print.


      Did you get a hi-res print from the printers? If so, how did they look?
      Thanks for your feedback.

      The exlamation mark was made in photoshop, and as you state, the text layer was rasterized.

      The reason I went ahead with this image is because the ad size we were offered was rather small, something like 4 by 6 cm.

      I exported as a PDF X3 2002 (if i remember correctly).

      I checked all CMYK vaues before sending, and they were fine.

      What I notice in the scanned image is that this is not the black I have in the file, there is no way thats Black 100?

      Unfortunately I did not received a proof from them, and they never gave me feedback about the file.

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      • #4
        A friend mentioned that it appears they did not flatten the file properly. I was not able to ask what exactly my friend meant?

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        • #5
          Wondering if this would be the issue? http://indesignsecrets.com/eliminati...x-syndrome.php

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          • #6
            Originally posted by eugenetyson View Post
            Wondering if this would be the issue? http://indesignsecrets.com/eliminati...x-syndrome.php
            Thanks for the link. I turned on Overprint Preview in Adobe Acrobat Pro 9 and the file is still fine. Not at all as it looks in the scan.

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            • #7
              I'm guessing you placed the image (rasterized text over a black background) in InDesign on top of another black background. Even if the cmyk values were identical in both files, they may not match when you print them. The best way to have done this ad was to create the text in Illustrator with NO background and then linked to it in your file, either above a separate black background, or made the color of your box with the illustration the desired black and extended the frame to fit the whole document. That way you're not pulling two blacks from two different files.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Virgo Nightingale View Post
                I'm guessing you placed the image (rasterized text over a black background) in InDesign on top of another black background. Even if the cmyk values were identical in both files, they may not match when you print them. The best way to have done this ad was to create the text in Illustrator with NO background and then linked to it in your file, either above a separate black background, or made the color of your box with the illustration the desired black and extended the frame to fit the whole document. That way you're not pulling two blacks from two different files.
                My rasterized image did not have a background. It was transparent. I pulled it into InDesign as a transparent psd file.

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                • #9
                  Ah. Then I'm not sure. Though it sounds like transparency is the culprit in some way shape or form.

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                  • #10
                    Even it loks fine with Overprint Preview on - it may still have a discoloured box in print - check your PDF overprint preview in Acrobat Pro.

                    Check out this similar issue here http://indesignsecrets.com/eliminati...box-effect.php

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                    • #11
                      I really think they messed it up on the printers end. I have been going through all the creation steps to see if I made a mistake, but I can't fine one.

                      And I have created many ads in a same or similar manner without problems. (Usually I use vector images, but int this case we did not have this imager as a vector).

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by eugenetyson View Post
                        Even it loks fine with Overprint Preview on - it may still have a discoloured box in print - check your PDF overprint preview in Acrobat Pro.

                        Check out this similar issue here http://indesignsecrets.com/eliminati...box-effect.php
                        I did check my overprint preview in acrobat and all was fine. I will read through your link.

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                        • #13
                          Just read the very informative article. But it only affects spot colours, or spot colours in combination with process colours. In my case I am only using process colours, so none of this should be an issue.

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                          • #14
                            I can't see anything wrong with your pdf. It all looks good.

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                            • #15
                              If you open the PDF in Acrobat and go to Print Production -> Output Preview

                              You can use your cursor to see what the values of colour are.
                              In looking at yours, everything seems fine in the white and top section.
                              But with the bottom blue text things start to go funny... the white text at the top of it is picking up colour, as well as the blue is very inconsistent. It's a bit odd, but it's there.

                              Definitely the solution that Virgo suggests is the way to go on these.
                              I have had nothing but trouble with matching colours from Photoshop to InDesign. It's a nightmare.

                              That said... that is awful that they didn't let you know there was a problem with the file. We ALWAYS go back to clients, even when it's a huge pain.

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