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  • #16
    Thank you all for the warm welcome ;-)

    designzombie, I disagree that Quark should develop its won proprietary technology to make customers dependent. I think that's a thing of the 80's or 90's. Quark believes in ISO standards, so that why we base everything on PDF, HTML5 etc. Our App publishing technology is everywhere HTML5 where possible, only where needed we use Apple's or Google's technology.

    And we have many customers purchasing and using QuarkXPress for exactly the reason you described, that we make you give us money by compelling features, offering timesavers, something that you find useful, so that you feel value in return for your money. And not having to pay, just because we have a monopoly.

    PrintDriver, cheers, appreciate you testing. If you have any issues or need a longer test drive, let me know please. There's a three-day trial you can download yourself and a 30-day trial that you can apply for. That's true for all of you.

    About the feature of InDesign that you described, sure, workarounds are always possible. But if that's acceptable, then QuarkXPress 3 would still work today, as in the 90's for almost everything there was an XTension / plug-in. Why was transparency in InDesign such a game changer? Because you could do it right in your layout and see the effects without having to switch back and forth.

    And that's the same with Image Editing in QuarkXPress 2017. Sharpening of images just before you output? Sure, you could do a batch run in Photoshop. Or sharper while you edit images. Trend is late binding though, that's why we nowadays use PDF workflows. So with QuarkXPress 2017 no need to go back to Photoshop or whatever you use. Just before output, sharpen all. Or apply an effect that you can evaluate in the layout. Non-destructive. Or use the same image at two different places in your layout but have it brighter when it is smaller and darker when it is larger.

    I'll sign off for a week now, happy to continue the discussion when I am back. Thanks.
    Last edited by mguenther; 03-10-2017, 02:54 AM.

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    • #17
      Ok, now you're being funny.
      Sharpen all?
      People don't take enough pride in their work to source proper photos and front-end them first? Or is everything becoming so slap-dash, make it work, OMG our print deadline was yesterday, that just being able to apply a global fix and cross fingers is the way to go? Not very professional.

      And still you aren't answering the question. Where does this changing take place? The link itself is changed? Or is the image embedded and kept in stasis within the layout itself, and bloating file size in the process? Rip time is money time.

      I don't particularly care. I print whatever a client sends me in whatever layout program they send it to me, and proof the parts that are suspect. If there is time.
      It's just the sad state of the design field that requires such measures.

      Now if Quark were to add a push button that extends bleeds when there aren't any (up to at least 2", not a measly 3mm,) I'd buy it in a split second. LOL.
      Because even if there were such a button, no one but a printer would use it these days.
      I flipped probably over 100 print files this week with not a single bleed in the lot.
      (sigh)



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      • #18
        I appreciate Quark's willingness to comply with open standards and sell its product on awesome "must have" features alone. But PDF is not exactly an open standard:

        https://talkingpdf.org/is-pdf-an-open-standard/

        As for the "must have" features, I haven't seen any in the last decade. Again, I've been there and done that with Quark 8.1. Export to HTML5 is tempting, but not tempting enough. When someone shows me a GUI dynamic layout editor that's fully WYSIWYM and doesn't require me to know a single line of code for full compatibility for both print and electronic display on every platform, I might be willing to invest in software again. Till then, I'll be getting by with my existing purchases and my workarounds, if not retiring. And Quark is more likely to get me as an R&D employee than as a customer.

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        • #19
          Hi all,

          last week QuarkXPress 2017 has been released.

          Cheers
          Matthias
          Last edited by KitchWitch; 05-29-2017, 09:08 AM. Reason: no advertising

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          • #20
            Originally posted by mguenther View Post
            Hi all,

            last week QuarkXPress 2017 has been released.

            Cheers
            Matthias
            Matthias! Funny meeting you here!

            -Erik
            Erik Youngren Pueblo Publishers, Composing Manager
            2.8Ghz Quad Core Intel Xeon Mac Pro | InDesign CS4 | Suitcase Fusion 5

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            • #21
              Originally posted by mguenther View Post
              Last edited by KitchWitch; Today, 03:08 PM. Reason: no advertising
              No advertising??? So when a new Mac is released you also wouldn't allow to link to Apple's website and its specs there?

              Cheers
              Matthias

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              • PrintDriver
                PrintDriver commented
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                The next time someone from Apple shows up here and tries to post a link, we'll find out.

              • KitchWitch
                KitchWitch commented
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                No, we wouldn't.

            • #22
              Hello Fellow Graphic Design Friends,

              Wanted to post here on a older post. I use CS5.5 and when I heard Quark was half prices it brought me back to a time when all I used was Quark, think it was version 4. I loved it and it worked great for screen printing making the color trapping. I also liked if for making catalogs. But that was back in the early 2000's. I've always liked making catalogs but not the constant changing by clients so I looked at how to reflow information from XML or CSV documents back into the Desktop Publishing software for up to date prices and descriptions. Serif Page Plus was able to do CSV and Adobe InDesign XML. Page Plus removed this feature and Adobe went to subscription and Quark does not do it without a $800.00 extension. FYI to all three companies I wanted to offer my customers the ability to have fluid catalog updates and was looking forward to using one of you all's software to do it, but you refused and refused again and again, I tried to explain that your DP software should not be an island unto it's self and should be a hub that can pull in all these outer resources and purpose them for what ever application they are needed for. That's why I never upgraded, I think you have to look past the graphic designer and look at his or her customers because they are the ones that pay the graphic designer and the graphic designer in turn buys your software. If I can not provided innovation to my customers using your software then there is no reason to purchase it or keep upgrading it.

              ​I tried out Quark 2017 and was surprised that I could quickly make something after not using it for 10+ years, it did not seem much has changed in the functionality aspect. You still can not use the space bar for the grab tool, you still have to use the Ctrl + Shift key to resize a image in a picture box, there is considerable redraw problems. My preference is I don't like flat UI colors and think that this turn in graphic design that color is bad has to go. Wish there was collapsible panels with an arrow that controls that feature, Adobe took this feature away on Dreamweaver, what a mistake. Quark Mail Merge is gone, ya I could of used that. ​Quark Placeholders are gone in Quark for XML, I can tell you if that was there I would of bought the competitive cross grade and only if those XML files could reflow the catalogs I make in Quark. I need Quark to be a publishing powerhouse that can grab dynamic recourses from databases, and be fluid with them, it needs to be more than a place to make static content, there's no time for that, it has to be reflow and go. I was very unimpressed with the Excel import, especially that if you add rows to the spreadsheet they would not show up in Quark, you had to re import the spreadsheet to make the new rows and columns show up.

              ​Sorry for this rant and it should be posted to Quark I guess, but thanks for reading.

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              • PrintDriver
                PrintDriver commented
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                Hi wcali, nice rant. A lot of the software companies are forgetting their main purpose in life.
                The Output.
                As a printer, I have been going round and round with Adobe over features they have added, and deleted, in the last two CC upgrades. The stuff they are doing does not, at all, make it any easier to realize the final design in final form. What they ''think'' will make the designer's life easier has, in fact, been an absolute nightmare these last few months in pre-flight and on press.

                I can't retire out of this industry fast enough!

            • #23
              Hi wcali,

              thank you for trying QuarkXPress 2017 and for your feedback. Mac or Windows? I'll assume Mac.

              A few comments:

              Originally posted by wcali View Post
              I tried out Quark 2017 and was surprised that I could quickly make something after not using it for 10+ years, it did not seem much has changed in the functionality aspect.
              A lot has changed and we still try to make it feel as familiar as possible. See some details here please:
              http://www.quark.com/Products/QuarkX...omparison.aspx

              You still can not use the space bar for the grab tool,
              It's still alt/option on Mac, as it has been since v3. Space bar is really unhandy for an application where you create a lot of text.

              you still have to use the Ctrl + Shift key to resize a image in a picture box
              You can just drag the handle of the image to resize an image. Qualifier keys just make it proportional scales or scale from the middle.

              , there is considerable redraw problems.
              Which display please? We have seen issues on certain 5k displays, otherwise I am not aware of any.

              Wish there was collapsible panels with an arrow that controls that feature,
              Panels (palettes) are collapsible, either double click or use the arrow.

              Quark Mail Merge is gone, ya I could of used that.
              I am not sure that we ever included that with QuarkXPress. Was that maybe an extension? Or do you mean XML import?

              Quark Placeholders are gone in Quark for XML,
              They will probably come back, the last iteration we had wasn't very usable for most of our customers, as it requited the creation of a DTD/schema. It's still in QuarkXPress Server (QXML).

              I was very unimpressed with the Excel import, especially that if you add rows to the spreadsheet they would not show up in Quark, you had to re import the spreadsheet to make the new rows and columns show up.
              Correct, only data is dynamic, not addding new rows/columns. That's something on the wishlist. We have our users rank the wishlist and it didn't show up high in the last two polls. emsoftware might be a good solution here.

              and it should be posted to Quark I guess, but thanks for reading.
              We are collecting wishlist features here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/quarkxpress/ and here: http://forums.quark.com.

              Or write me an email at mguenther (at) quark dot com please!

              Thanks
              Matthias (Quark)

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              • #24
                Originally posted by wcali View Post
                Hello Fellow Graphic Design Friends,

                Wanted to post here on a older post. I use CS5.5 ...
                Hi Wcali and welcome to GDF.

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