Help with what pain points logo design solves

But a nice sign, a nice apron with a logo, and a nice bag with a logo are not marketing strategies either.

It’s more of a strategy than just showing up with a table with your stuff on it. A take home bag with a logo is definitely marketing. Especially if the bag can be re-used in some way. It’s just as effective at keeping the name in view as a mailer. Ephemeral, but relatively effective.

Same for that coffee truck with the cardboard sign. That is certainly a brand decision.

As stated, not everyone needs a full blown marketing campaign but even the local coffee shop gets ads out in the local newspapers and flyers at the train station. Maybe the successful mechanic with the word of mouth clients doesn’t need to drop money on advertising. But he is sure investing a lot into his brand whether or not there is a sign over the door.

I guess I’m beating around the bush at the idea that a person who decides to open a business has to take a lot more into account that just a logo. And that anything client facing is a marketing strategy, minimallistic or not. Business decisions do have to be made. Is it up to a graphic designer to make them? Not always. But sometimes knowing what to offer, and when, is part of making money.

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That’s fair, and I think we’re probably closer in opinion than it first appears.

A marketing strategy could be as simple as setting up a lemonade stand outside a football stadium. That’s absolutely a business and marketing decision.

I suppose when I said “marketing strategy” I was thinking more along the lines of what Coca-Cola, McDonald’s, Nike, etc. do planned campaigns, market research, audience segmentation, media buying, promotions, sponsorships, and so on.

A logo on a bag, a sign outside a shop, or a logo on an apron is definitely marketing in a broad sense. What I was trying to get at is that not every business needs a complex or highly structured marketing strategy to succeed.

There’s a pub that opened in the small hamlet where my wife is from. The village had never had a pub before. They didn’t run advertising campaigns, flood social media, or push promotions. They simply opened the doors and hired an excellent chef.

The food was phenomenal and very quickly they became known as a food pub. Within a few months I had the CEO of the company I worked for asking me about it because he knew I was down that way at weekends. And he lived 100km in the opposite direction and wanted to go. The reputation had travelled purely through people talking about it.

That’s really the point I’m trying to make. Sometimes reputation, quality, service and word of mouth do the work. Marketing can amplify those things, but it can’t replace them.

I think that’s partly why questioning the role of logos. It can support but not pull people through the doors.

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You know, in my search my interests with article readings regarding logo design picked my attention when I saw an statista research with different findings. Link to the study.

The public information is very limited, but they state that in a 2201 pool size survey in United States half GenZ and Millenials interviewed made a purchase because it had an interesting logo. This drops significantly with GenX and Baby Boomers. But this varies a lot depending on the context the brand is located, for example supermarkets. Here only 15% people in general consider the logo a defining purchase.

These findings only fuel my confusion whether logos can or can not have a direct influence on purchase decisions. Since it’s a relatively small sample size, the public information doesn’t discloses what type of people they interviewed, in which cities, with what kind of products or services for what industries, and so on.

Still, the results are interesting enough for me to keep in mind. Although they only extend my journey in re-discovering the value logos hold.

May I extend on this.

Re-reading those questions for me they paint a clear picture of how the final logo design could be. Those are relevant questions that circle around what the business provides, to who, their defining location and competition. They paint a mental image of what the final solution could look like, but they can’t aid me in understanding the actual underlying business problem.

This is most likely due to my own shortsightedness on the topic, but the ones that I feel they dive into it are the two last ones: What do you do differently and what do people say about you. However I feel very limited in what I can do with the answers to those questions due to my lacking experience around core business problems. It’s the main point of my original post now looking back to it.

We have addressed what logos can or can’t do, which was a main part of my question. Now I’m not sure where to proceed in terms of discovering and understanding these core business issues. Am I circling around what it has already been said?

I can’t access that marketing stats survey thing because I don’t have an account and I have no plans on getting an account for it.

That said, I’d be careful about drawing too many conclusions from surveys like that without seeing exactly how the question was asked and who was asked.

The first things I’d want to know are:

What was the exact question?

What products or services were being discussed?

---------------> What does “interesting logo” actually mean?

Was the logo the reason for the purchase, or did it simply get the product noticed in the first place?

Was it an impulse purchase, a supermarket item, a luxury brand, a service, a house, a car?

Those questions matter.

For example, if you ask me have I ever bought something because it had an interesting logo or packaging, then yes, probably. I’ve picked up craft beers because the can caught my eye. I’ve looked at products because the packaging stood out.

But that’s very different from saying the logo was the deciding factor in the purchase.

I think logos can absolutely influence attention, perception, recognition and recall. That’s part of their job. But I think their influence drops significantly as the cost, complexity and importance of the purchase increases.

I didn’t buy my house because of an estate agent’s logo (some do)

I didn’t buy my car because of the manufacturer’s logo (some do)

I don’t choose a mechanic, accountant, doctor, solicitor or builder because of their logo.

I choose them because of reputation, recommendations, reviews, quality, price, convenience and trust.

The logo might contribute to a first impression, but it’s rarely doing the work.

That’s why I keep coming back to recognition. A logo helps people identify, remember and distinguish a business. It supports the business. It doesn’t become the business.

As I said before. Google is probably a good example. I wouldn’t call Google’s logo particularly amazing from a design perspective, yet it’s one of the most recognised brands on the planet. People don’t use Google because of the logo. They use Google because the service became so useful that “Google it” entered everyday language.

On the flip side, there are brands where the logo carries significant weight. Take Mercedes. People aren’t necessarily buying the car because it’s a three-pointed star. They’re buying what that star represents. Status, success, luxury, engineering, prestige.

If you asked a young person on a limited budget if they’d buy a Mercedes, many would probably say no because it’s out of reach. Ask a wealthy young person and they might say they wouldn’t drive anything else. At that point the logo has become more than a logo. It’s a status symbol and a badge that communicates something about the owner.

So I don’t think the survey necessarily proves logos drive sales. I think it shows that logos can influence purchasing behaviour in certain contexts, particularly for lower-cost or impulse purchases. That’s a very different claim from saying logos create business success.

To me, that’s the distinction that’s been emerging throughout this whole discussion. Logos can influence behaviour. They can support growth. They can support recognition and trust. But they don’t guarantee success, and they’re rarely the sole reason somebody buys a product or service.

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Yeah, these papers are an interesting read but I haven’t found any of them –in regards to logos– being done by actual designers. They are all made by marketers mostly and business professionals. Perhaps some of them are done along with research profesionals as well, but that would still influence the process of the investigation.

Most often I see that the examples of brands or images they use to picture logos are monstrosities that no designer would ever create. It’s just what you can imagine science people trying to do creative images work. In this Statista article who knows if they showed them these brandas with despicable logos.

While reading I was heavily considering on aiding these investigations with actual design criteria, so the results can be more realistic to what can be found out there.


Thank you Smurf2, these insights are super valuable for me. Thanks for taking your time replying with so much thought and care :smile:

I have no further questions.